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So he did allow women?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
only old women during restricted times..
editor bro is suggesting total access for women..
theres a difference,
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
Now what was the reason for that ruling?
Why were all women not banned, at all times?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
in this thread the restriction and reasons have been mentioned,.. if youve just joined admin.. u shud have a quick read to catch up..
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
admin it is not really our job to look at all issues. That is the preserve of Ulama.
Again I am STILL waiting for evidence that the hanafi ruling is not as i stated.
tick tock tick tock
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
i have gave my full argumenst with full evidence ....i even quoted text from mukhtsar al qadoori....where it states imam abu hanifa used to allow women attend jumma salaah....
as i said women can read at home...thats better...but can attend mosque if they choose....and conditions are met...
the issue is not about just salaah....my argument is about attending masjid for events, talks, education, courses etc etc.... which is totally permissible according to the ahnaaf.
all this discussion started when u said muslim women shud be discouraged.... for salaah, may be for argument sake, but not for all other events...imam abu hanifa or his students have never state danywhere taht women should be discouraged to attend masjid for educational purposes, bayaan, course etc...
Allamah Ibne Abidin Shami, the great hanfi faqih states that women are allowed to attend mosque for educational purposes, learning the deen etc...dont worry i will get you the reference aswell....
i dont want to go round and round in circles, u have made ur argument, so have i....we wont agree...
but accusing me of claiming to be a mujtahid etc is childish.
wasalaam
MashaALLAH! We concur with the view that are allowed to attend for EDUCATION.
I see we shall go round in circles. You still dont accept that women should not go the mosque solely for salah. I agree that if the mosque is the only site for education then they may attend provided the previous conditions are met. If a seperate house exists for education then there is no need for her to go, and if she can get receiver at home then she can lsiten to bayan at home aswell so again no need to go.
Alhamdulillah ALLAH has granted what He grants.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
I thought you were a muqallid? why add more conditions?
(I am pretty good at stirring)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Lol! Alhamdulillah I am muqallid. The issue of seperate building being educational facility for women is not my own opinon. During the Holy Lifetime salallahu alayhi wa sallam a day was allocated for the women in a certain HOUSE in Madinah. The first Ladies Madrassah was not in the Masjid Nabwi salallahu alayhi wa sallam.
Alhamdulillah I am Muqallid and our Elders fulfill the sunnah even in this act which seems strange to the people today. Nothing to do with adding more conditions. I am not adding anything admin bro.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
But they were not discouraged from going to the mosque either.
Pick a position, and stick to it.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
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this year I'll be reading Tarawih in Mosque with dad
due to the obvious reason that no one in my family is a Quran hifz
looking forward to it-lots of my mates will be going too
Yeah, you won't last the first 5 tarweeh.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
[url=http//www.guidancemedia.com/videostream.php?id=Burda.mov]Quran[/url]
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thats why u go last 5
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
LOL
prob
after the first TWO I'd be like
"Daddy YOU go...."
but i want to go-cos I don't know how to read Tarawih and I want to follow someone and then pick up how to read it
maybe then after that I might read at home-somtimes
Good Idea LilSis......its not Fardh anyway
i dont think our mosque has taraweeh for women, probz cant stand there 4 2 long. my mum n sis read at home
the procedure is fairly simple
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
You don't need to know, just read it like you read any namaaz. There no difference. In the mosque it hard, especially if you got Uni, school or work, It normally a struggle and it a real test of will power to concntrate for 1 hour and a half, I can't do it, I normally thinking about everything but the thing I should be. But I have got better in the last couple of years.
Yeah, listen to Yashmati, it will only take 20 minutes to read at home and you will gain the same reward as men I love to have that option., but it would be good for you to experience reading it in teh mosque, just so u know how it is for us.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
[url=http//www.guidancemedia.com/videostream.php?id=Burda.mov]Quran[/url]
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my local mosque and two other mosques in my town have facilities for ladies to read tarawih in the Mosque
so why shouldnt we make use of it?
its totally up to women what they choose to do
i read Tarawih in Medina behind the Iman when I did umrah in Ramadan
I LOVED it
cant get the same feel at home
Mashallah
i yearn to go Medina again
our mosque has facilities too but i think most prefer to stay at home coz its not like as if Ramadan isnt a busy time for the women as it is
I agree tho, you should go if yu want to.....but im tellin ya....the last few are the best ones
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Ramadan aint a busy time for me
its RELAXED time
other then worship more-what else is there to do
what makes it more busy for women?
well its busy 4 evry1..... u are supposed 2 spend more time in worship.
but women normally gotta cook the big iftaar's!
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
yeh we gotta start frying the samose and cutting the fruit chart the night before? :roll:
that work takes only 45 min before iftar opens
and its quicker if EVRYONE chips in-like they do in my house
i just sad its more busier than normal....which it is
we have fairly large iftaars wehre all the mums make special dishes.......and when we have 1 at home, mum n sis gotta make enuff for 5 hungry men
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Tarweeh is normally 20 rakats, it differ with people, it may be less. Isha is 17 rakats. So there is not muh of a different. Plus I not saying it a easy way out, If I don't read in the mosque there a good chance I probably won't read tarweeh at home. It differ with different people. Also the time it take differs with the surah that you read, so there is no real time limit, I was just stating that tarweeh can be read at home in 20 minutes, while in the mosque it can't.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
[url=http//www.guidancemedia.com/videostream.php?id=Burda.mov]Quran[/url]
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you took what i said waaay outta proportion :roll:
My mum chooses to cook big meals, and it makes her happy seeing her husband and 4 kids well fed and looked after. whats wrong with that? Of course we help out where we can but coz of work/uni/school it aint so easy
its good alhamdulillah your keeping the food simple......but food is also Allah swt's blessing, and should be enjoyed....whislt at the same time bearing in mind all the famine stricken people around the world and sending donations/food to them....which we do.
cant see why it angers you so much!!
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
good point yash
I've seen some mums who are slaving away in the kitchen whist the inconsiderate men of the house are waiting for their munch
not realising that their MUM is fasting too
i feel sorry for such ladies
yeah....only if they forced to or do it against their will
however, not all women are
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
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