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LOL-
yep that unpractical and BASELESS view made me laugh too
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Interesting points are being made.
The covering of hair infront of children is a new one to me also but it is advisable for a woman to always have a scarf on her head, angels do not enter homes where women are bare-headed, nor do they come near them.
Regarding womens nature. We are all created with a nature, with a purpose. Hadrat Adam alayhis salaam was created first, He felt something missing, He felt the need for something to help Him. In response to Abba Adam alayhis salaam's needs Amma Hawwa alayhas salaam was created. This shows that the purpose of womans creation was to assist and help the man.
This does not mean women are slaves. What it does mean that womens purpose of creation was to assist and help and aid and serve the men. They were created for the home.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
intresting
and here I was thinking that the purpose of life is to obey/worship Allah
but the caveman teaches me sumin new everyday :roll: :roll:
Yeah you right and it buzzing and at it brillant best again
. A couple of week ago I came on and I saw it and could barely recogonise the place, way to liberal for my liking and too many fun and games going on and was one of the reason I came back. But allhamduillah it doing Ok now again, because there a difference of opinion which is require for there to be a good discussion to take place.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
[url=http//www.guidancemedia.com/videostream.php?id=Burda.mov]Quran[/url]
yeh I agree
extreme, ridgid views always make intresting discussions
I learn a lot about "other people" think-the type that confirm the media's view of Islam
its intresting cos I never meet/hear such people in real life
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1. I made a mistake. Men and women, Jinn and Humans primary purpose is to worship ALLAH. After this worship women were created to be the help-mates of men.
2. I am unsure as to the source of angels not entering on bareheaded ladies, it is something I have read but I will not claim to remember its source. I apologise for confusion caused by that post. At the least we can say that women should cover their heads at all times, not necessarily with no hair showing , but merely with a scarf on the head as pakistani women do. Regarding sleeping and bathing and other things lol I dont think its sinful for her to have her head uncovered in privacy. Just that I heard it is easier for the angels to enter on women whose heads are coverd because of the angels high modesty.
Again I apologise for confusion caused.
The ruling of women keeping something on their heads at all times is from the point of view of taqwa. Technicalli/legally in our hanafi madhab a woman is free to have her head uncovered in privacy from men.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
The only incident to which I can confidentally attribute this to is that of the moment the beloved Prophet
came down from the mountain, scared after seeing/hearing Jibraeel (as); where he sat on the left knee of Hadrat Khadija (ra), then on her right knee, and the angel stayed in view. He (Jibraeel (as)) only left when Khadija (ra) dropped her head covering.
Apart from that, I cannot for the life of me remember where else I heard/read anything re this matter.
~Judgements prevent us from seeing the good that lies beyond appearances.~
"God put me on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right now I am so far behind that I will never die" ~ Bill Watterson
Muhtarama May ALLAH Almighty fill you with knowledge.
I will ask whether this incident is the basis of the view I earlier described.
I thank Muhtarama from the depths of my heart for drawing attention to the above incident.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
why should women always have their hair covered or wear a headscarf even at home infront of mahrams? :shock:
you are suppose to do pardah infront of gayhr mahram, not mahram. a woman does not need to wear a headscarf at all at home infront of her husband, father especially.
medieval confuses the hell out of me everytime....must be those beats he got when he was young
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
then why is your OPINION:
[b]At the least we can say that women [u]should cover their heads at all times[/u], not necessarily with no hair showing , but merely with a scarf on the head as pakistani women do.[/b]
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
which again is your OPINION. the ruling is clear. please dont bring your OPINION into it , pls. by saying:
The ruling of women keeping something on their heads [b]at all times[/b] is from the point of view of taqwa.' is adding on a condition from yourself.
Salaam
There is a clear difference between Fatwa and Taqwa.
Fatwa can be dictated/preached to others whilst Taqwa can not.
Taqwa is a feeling that comes from within based on ones level of Iman.
Example of this was manifested in the life of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal when a dog brushed against his clothes and he washed his clothes….even though he used to tell his students that the fur of a dog is not considered impure.
That was his high level of Taqwa….however; the Fatwa that he had given to his students regarding this issue differed to what he used to do.
What a person chooses to do based on their level of Taqwa is a personal matter…we can not tell others what to do from our own “taqwa point of view”.
Even our Imams did not do that.
Wasalaam
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from HIS OWN taqwa point of view
and he aint even a woman :roll:
u get girls who find covering their head too hard outside-
and others who preach that they should even cover it when they dont even have too :roll:
no wonder some find islam too hard to practise
Islam was sent to make life easy for others
i can see where muslim sis is coming from - its frustrating to see ppl who are completely against women working, regardless of individual situations.
i have worked previously, but it was volountary work which i enjoyed doing. i've never felt the need for a paid job, as i know my dad doesnt mind paying for things i or my siblings need. we are very responsible with money and do not buy things unnecessarily, thats pretty much y our dad trusts us to take how much we need.
yashmaki seems to have posted some of the most rational posts on this thread - i agree with her... anything further i post in this thread would probably be in the same vain, so i'll leave it to u guys.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
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That is soo weak Ed. Unlike some people, certain people on this forum are not looking to alway attack people and what wrong with agreeing with Med interperation at time, I do as does Yash and I sure other do as well.
At least when Yash make a point of agreeing with Med she able to give a explantion with it as well like I do as well and not like she agree with him on everything, it can be said that when certain member agree with you, they actually don't bother given reason.
[b] Too be honest, didn't know you could be so childish. I think you need to apologies as you are the one who meant to set the example on this forum.[/b] :roll:
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
[url=http//www.guidancemedia.com/videostream.php?id=Burda.mov]Quran[/url]
salt can only be rubbed in wounds if wounds exist. If anyone thinks I get affected by members comments here, then rest assured I dont. My intention is for ALLAH, people can accept or decline thats not what Im here for. I am inshaALLAH here to spread truth and encourage towards virute and to prevent the vice.
It may be noted when I feel the need to retratc or apologise I do so as soon as I feel the mistake is pointed out to me. It was pointed out that Muhtarama has not come across a hadeeth about angels not entering on bareheaded women, I pretty soon replied that I am unsure if it is hadeeth or what its source is and aplogised for confusion. I am not here to make friends because Muslims already share the relatinoship of islam and that is enough. I need to fulfill the rights of that relationship by chastsing when people go along an incorrect and bent path. And also to encourage people to the highest actions. No1s saying im issuing fatawa, I stated I encourage towards the highest action because aiming high will ensure that atleats you will achieve something more than you hoped for just be fulfilling the minimum.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
apologise for what?
childish...actually i would say speaking my mind....i can apologise to you or sister yashmaki but NOT med....i dont apologise to people i have lost respect for....
no actually you do hand out fatwas. you make islam seem as if it is really really strict and rigid when it is not.
compared to a typical western way of life, Islam is very strict..
but those who are used to an Islamic way of life do not think Islam is strict at all.
sisters who wear the nikab for example, to us here in the west.. dats well extreme,.. but to them its normal..
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
Apologies for the fact that Yash made a very valid point and you went and got personal. If you look at it as a neutral you would have to agree, you were being spiteful and childish and that isn't really you, I agree you normally passionate about what you discussing but you did over step the mark, I hope you can see that.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
[url=http//www.guidancemedia.com/videostream.php?id=Burda.mov]Quran[/url]
Yup i think an apology is due for Yash, and i belive he gave that
not for med tho lol
he is free from him
he is free from him
he is free from him
you all love to jump on each others backs and defend your favz
End of discussion!!
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
hey sis,dont get irritated with the extrems islam prohibits extreemism ,if u need to eaqrn ur bread and butter and u have a permit from ur parents then it doesnt matter rather it is good work to support ur parent but keep in what u do should be dignified and ur conscience allows u to do.ok hope u could have a good advice.
fahdkhn
MAHRAMS ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO SEE THE FACE AND HEAR THE VOICE.NA MAHRAM IS NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO HEAR YOUR BREATH.
WHY DONT U UNDERSTAND THAT WOMEN'S HAIR ARE INCLUDED IN SATTAR???LIKE HER OTHER BODY PARTS,EXCEPT FACE,IT SHOULD REMAIN IN PARDAH.
I HAVE GIVEN YOU THE KNOWLEDGE FOR WHICH I AM CENT PERCENT SURE,PLZZ CONTACT A WOMEN AALIM IN SUCH ASPECT,I HAVE ONE MY COUSINS SHEZ A FEMALE AALIM MASHALLAH,AND MY MOTHER HAS TOLD HER THAT SHE DESCRIBES THAT WOMEN'S HAIR ARE INCLUDED IN HER SATTAR,FURTHER MORE I HAVE CONSULTED FEW MORE PERSONS TO BE SURE TO POST SO.
WHATS WRONG WITH WEARING HIJABS INFRONT OF YOUR KIDS???
MUHAMMAD PBUH ONCE TOLD HIS COMPANIONS THAT A TIME WILL COME WHEN PEOPLE WILL BE CONSIDERING ISLAM TOUGH AND WILL NEGLECT ITS TEACHINGS.
MY DEAR SISTER,ITS A SERIOUS MATTER,IF U DONT BELEIVE ME THEN IMMDIATELY CONSULT A FEMALE AALIM IN THIS ASPECT.
ASSALAM OO ALAIKUM
HELP! i've fallen and i can't....................HEY nice carpet!
point taken.
my apologies.
yes the forums have become a bit immature and personal, mainly due to me and medieval. i simply cant stand his views, that's all. he stands against almost everything i stand for..and its difficult for me to stay quiet and not become passionate. Theres only so much one can argue before losing his rag.
i will join you and not visit the forums for a few days aswell. ive said almost everything i need to and i dont want to waste my time answering to medieval on almost every post.
my apologies once again sister.
medieval..its all yours. have fun.
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