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i agree with u yash

but the point is-if ALL backward, extreme men forced their women to stay at home

women wouldnt have a choice

they wouldnt be in a position to choose female docs, driving instructors etc

cos all women would be sitting at home

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"yashmaki" wrote:

Course if the sister is married she would need her husbands approval. Now don't attack me sisters but that;s the islamic stance husband has to agree. But if you're asking for something reasonable and modest in nature i don't see why he would say no.

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i seek refuge frm unreasonble men and men who like to dictate what their women should or shouldnt do :evil:

btw yash-dont u get bored at home? how do u spend ur time?

my mum used to work as a qulaified nurse-she was a midwife

my sisters into teaching

my gran used to work in her shop-(YEARS ago)

my cousins into retail

aunties work too

I'm the laziest girl in my family

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Alhumduillah if women want to work that fine. What I can’t personally can’t stand of late is the way the role of the housewife is look down on in society. It wasn’t the case in the muslim community, but of late it has become so. I sometime feel that the a level of competitiveness in the reason why women want to go out and show that they can be equal too men. At the end of the day women and men are equal in islam, but different stuff is require of the 2, which is still equal to the same reward. I understand in some situation women have too work but I would still never see them playing a more important role in society then the housewives, even though today it isn’t the case for a lot of women. The stigma attach to the housewife, is one of the reason that they don’t feel content, it was never a problem in the old days but now all of a sudden being a housewife isn’t enough in society. Too be honest there never been a shortage of women in the workforce. Half my teachers were women, nearly all the midwives are women as well. But still sometime I get the feeling that being a housewives is seen as a negative, below is a hadith which tell you the importance role of a housewife and the rewards given.

[b]As to the prayers in congregation, jihad and other issues, we will quote the hadith of the Prophet (s), in which one day, as the Prophet (s) was among his Companions, the daughter of Yazid al-Ansari said, “By Allah I love you more than my father and mother. I am coming on behalf of a large group of ladies behind me as their spokeswoman, in that Allah has sent you to both men and women totally (kafa) and that we believed in you. We as women have been singled out in our homes, carrying your children and doing your housework, and you men have been honored above us with pilgrimage, prayer in congregation, visiting the sick, following the bier of the deceased, and above that performing jihad in the way of Allah. And if any of you went for umra and hajj we must remain at home guarding your wealth and striving to raise your children well. What is our reward in that?” The Prophet (s) looked at his Companions, turning his face to all of them. “Did you hear a better issue than that raised by this woman, regarding her faith?” The Companions said, “O Prophet of Allah (s), we never thought a woman would be guided to such a question.” The Prophet (s) said, “O Asma bint Yazid al-Ansari, know yourself and tell all the women behind you that for all that you have mentioned, if you perform them properly and diligently, you will receive all the reward that the men receive and you will be equal in reward.” The lady left and happiness shown in her face. She went and told her people what the Prophet (s) said, and all entered the fold of Islam.[/b]

there's no stigma attached to being a housewife-

it depends who u talk too

most of the older generation have an issue with women working

my aim in life is to be a housewife

"yuit" wrote:

Alhumduillah if women want to work that fine. What I can’t personally can’t stand of late is the way the role of the housewife is look down on in society. It wasn’t the case in the muslim community, but of late it has become so. I sometime feel that the a level of competitiveness in the reason why women want to go out and show that they can be equal too men. At the end of the day women and men are equal in islam, but different stuff is require of the 2, which is still equal to the same reward. I understand in some situation women have too work but I would still never see them playing a more important role in society then the housewives, even though today it isn’t the case for a lot of women. The stigma attach to the housewife, is one of the reason that they don’t feel content, it was never a problem in the old days but now all of a sudden being a housewife isn’t enough in society. Too be honest there never been a shortage of women in the workforce. Half my teachers were women, nearly all the midwives are women as well. But still sometime I get the feeling that being a housewives is seen as a negative, below is a hadith which tell you the importance role of a housewife and the rewards given.

[b]As to the prayers in congregation, jihad and other issues, we will quote the hadith of the Prophet (s), in which one day, as the Prophet (s) was among his Companions, the daughter of Yazid al-Ansari said, “By Allah I love you more than my father and mother. I am coming on behalf of a large group of ladies behind me as their spokeswoman, in that Allah has sent you to both men and women totally (kafa) and that we believed in you. We as women have been singled out in our homes, carrying your children and doing your housework, and you men have been honored above us with pilgrimage, prayer in congregation, visiting the sick, following the bier of the deceased, and above that performing jihad in the way of Allah. And if any of you went for umra and hajj we must remain at home guarding your wealth and striving to raise your children well. What is our reward in that?” The Prophet (s) looked at his Companions, turning his face to all of them. “Did you hear a better issue than that raised by this woman, regarding her faith?” The Companions said, “O Prophet of Allah (s), we never thought a woman would be guided to such a question.” The Prophet (s) said, “O Asma bint Yazid al-Ansari, know yourself and tell all the women behind you that for all that you have mentioned, if you perform them properly and diligently, you will receive all the reward that the men receive and you will be equal in reward.” The lady left and happiness shown in her face. She went and told her people what the Prophet (s) said, and all entered the fold of Islam.[/b]

Yuit this is not aimed at you but:
this hadith is quoted alot by those who say women should stay at home. Full stop. and not come out, or work or do anything. We need to look at all the ahadith in totality and keep in mind the view of the great scholars aswell.

"yuit" wrote:

I sometime feel that the a level of competitiveness in the reason why women want to go out and show that they can be equal too men.

thats TOTALLY wrong

women have nothing to porve to men-this isnt a play ground "girls are better then boys argument".

girls work cos

1-need the money

2-BORED

3-feel that there is a need in society

4-cos they want to

why would a girl go out of her way to work just to prove that she's just as good as a man?

thats lame

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

"yuit" wrote:

[b]As to the prayers in congregation, jihad and other issues, we will quote the hadith of the Prophet (s), in which one day, as the Prophet (s) was among his Companions, the daughter of Yazid al-Ansari said, “By Allah I love you more than my father and mother. I am coming on behalf of a large group of ladies behind me as their spokeswoman, in that Allah has sent you to both men and women totally (kafa) and that we believed in you. We as women have been singled out in our homes, carrying your children and doing your housework, and you men have been honored above us with pilgrimage, prayer in congregation, visiting the sick, following the bier of the deceased, and above that performing jihad in the way of Allah. And if any of you went for umra and hajj we must remain at home guarding your wealth and striving to raise your children well. What is our reward in that?” The Prophet (s) looked at his Companions, turning his face to all of them. “Did you hear a better issue than that raised by this woman, regarding her faith?” The Companions said, “O Prophet of Allah (s), we never thought a woman would be guided to such a question.” The Prophet (s) said, “O Asma bint Yazid al-Ansari, know yourself and tell all the women behind you that for all that you have mentioned, if you perform them properly and diligently, you will receive all the reward that the men receive and you will be equal in reward.” The lady left and happiness shown in her face. She went and told her people what the Prophet (s) said, and all entered the fold of Islam.[/b]

Yuit this is not aimed at you but:
this hadith is quoted alot by those who say women should stay at home. Full stop. and not come out, or work or do anything. We need to look at all the ahadith in totality and keep in mind the view of the great scholars aswell.

I don't see why people should see it like that, it doesn't mention nothing about working or anything. It just telling us about the reward of fulfilling the role of mother and wife in Islam. No one will doubt the status given to the mother and wife in islam.

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

"yuit" wrote:

I sometime feel that the a level of competitiveness in the reason why women want to go out and show that they can be equal too men.

thats TOTALLY wrong

women have nothing to porve to men-this isnt a play ground "girls are better then boys argument".

girls work cos

1-need the money

2-BORED

3-feel that there is a need in society

4-cos they want to

why would a girl go out of her way to work just to prove that she's just as good as a man?

thats lame

It lame too u, but it what all these women right groups are all about, whatever men can do women can do it better. Some women have forgotton the delicate quality that Allah swt have given them and think it is a competition. Obviously alot of women do work for the reason that you have stated, but I wouldn't say all.

it takes a lot of time, effort and money to "prove" such a stupid point

which i dont think MOST women would bother to go out of their way to do

MOST, but not ALL. These women tend too be very vocal as well.

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i think a women should only work out of necessity.

just because shes bored at home is not a good enough reason, as there are millions of other things she can do. Such as studying, organising her husbands belongings, take up a hobby,.. loadsa things.

okay if moneys a problem, then its a necessity. but if the intention is to go out and meet people, then I think ones intentions need to be questioned. In this instance i'd recommend joining a charity run by women.

childcare is also another popular profession taken up by many muslim women. especially work in fostering or with disabled children. there is great reward from Allah in this sort of work.

i personally pray to Allah that my wife will not need to work. I'd see that as a failure on my part as the husband. but if she wanted to work to broaden her mind with good intentions, then like yashmaki, im sure she would only work in places that allowed the nikab.

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i dunno sis, what interests do you have?

start up a project at home that could develop into a business?

you into textiles? embroidery? maybe design clothes for muslim women?

erm,.

design muslim childrens books?

I dunno, be creative. I wish I had the time to create something of my own. What people forget about employment is that you're working hard for the financial gains / meeting objectives of another person. Most of us need to do it for the money.

But ive found that doing something for yourself and what you believe in will give you greater satisfaction in your work inshAllah.

i totally agree with you about the muslim female doctors. its things like this that make me want to move out of the UK and go somewhere thats more Muslima friendly. I don't know what the answer is..

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"yuit" wrote:

“Did you hear a better issue than that raised by this woman, regarding her faith?” The Companions said, “O Prophet of Allah (s), we never thought a woman would be guided to such a question.”

MashaALLAH MASHAALLAH. Yuit brother that was indeed a most beautiful post and may I congratulate you for it from the depths of my heart. ALLAH make that hadeeth forunate for us.

I particularly love the response of Sahabah Karaam to Holy Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallams question. SubhanALLAH they were a people who came before us, for them is immense reward.

May I also congratulate Muhtarama Yashmaki and say that she is a good role model for other muslim women.

Personally certain jobs are necessary for atleast some women to get into like medical profession and teaching. Some jobs like building, taxi driver, plumbing etc are not in my view suited to women. Again certain jobs infact become an obligation upon some muslim women to pursue.

By us if there is no muslim lady doctor it becomes a category of fardh upon the muslim community of that locality to train a lady muslim with sufficient highlevel of taqwa and then to teach her the medicine. Similar a woman in field of teaching is a great bounty provided her subject adn students conform to religion.

"yashmaki" wrote:

Mm that's one of the main reasons my husband wants to move. We aim to be out of here as soon as his studies are over insha'Allah

where wud u go?

im thinking dubai..

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It is also interesting to note those men who issues with other males examining their women also have issues with themselves being examined by women, but lets not mention that bit.

Assallamu Allaikum

[b]19 Things Sisters can do for Islam in the UK[/b]
Sisters, as much as brothers, are responsible for contributing to Islamic work in the UK.
There are so many educated, talented and really good sisters out there who can do so much for Muslims and Islam in the UK. There are a number of things that can be done on a personal, family and community level:
[b]
1. Remember you are a khalifa on earth[/b]

Both men and women are appointed by Allah as His khalifa (trustees) on earth (Quran 33:72-73). We have been given this amana (trust) from Allah, and it is our responsibility to care for it. We must not forget that we will all be asked on the Day of Judgement what we did with our time. What did we do for the sake of Allah while we were alive? How did we spend our time, wealth, health, knowledge and other resources Allah has entrusted to us as a gift. How have we tried to make our ummah stronger? Will we make the grade?
[b]
2. Make your intention for the sake of Allah[/b]

Where does success really come from? It's from Allah. But without the correct intentions and methods, success at home and work won't happen.

"Actions are but by intentions," said Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said in a Hadith in Bukhari and Muslim. Make your intention to please Allah first and foremost. This is the first and most important thing no matter what type of activism you get involved in.

[b]3. Make Dua (supplication)[/b]

Who can really answer your prayers and help you? Allah, of course. Ask only from Allah. Ask Him for Guidance, understanding, and a straight intention. Ask Him to accept your efforts for His cause.

Then watch as Insha Allah, He helps you throughout your work for His Cause.

[b]4. Seek knowledge, a path to Paradise and power[/b]

Once your intention is clear, how do you know what the right method is to contribute to Islam in the UK? The key is knowledge. Specifically, knowledge of the Quran and Sunnah. This is not necessarily the knowledge you may have picked up in the Muslim country or community you grew up in. We're talking about knowledge based on original sources — the Quran and Sunnah.

"For him who follows a path for seeking knowledge, Allah will ease for him the path to Paradise" said the Prophet in a Hadith in Muslim.

For starters, one simple thing you can do is to read a translation of the Quran in a language you feel most comfortable with. This is not to say that translations will give you a complete understanding of the Quran. What it will provide though, is a basic overview.

Sincerely seek the truth. Remember that your goal as an ordinary Muslim at this point, is not to "reinterpret" the Quran. It is simply to expose yourself to Allah's Message in a way that you can understand.
[b]
5. Learn about your rights and duties and change who you are accordingly[/b]

Is knowledge meant to just fill our heads? Of course not. If we want to work for Islam in the UK or anywhere else, we've got to start with ourselves first.

This not only means to know but to practice what we know. We must work from the inside out. We must fix our character first, then work with our families, neighborhood and further out within the community.

[b]6. Raise good Muslim sons and daughters[/b]

Who raised those brothers who won't let sisters come to the mosque? Mostly women. For all the talk of Muslim women going out to change the world, we tend to forget about the one place where women have the most control: as mothers. Use this power.

It's mothers who can perpetuate notions of what a woman's place is, and they also can perpetuate a lot of the misguided notions about the position of women in Islam. Think through what messages you are giving your children. For example, how many mothers spoil their sons by not insisting they clean up their own room, put away their own dishes after dinner, help clean up the house or fold the laundry? Mothers can and should challenge gender stereotypes in their own homes.

This may be considered a small step for moms, but it leads to big steps for Muslim brothers.

With regards to daughters, mothers must orient them in the right direction on a personal level as Muslims, then at the academic and career levels. Not to forget but mothers are their daughters first role model. Be an example for her of a solid, strong Muslim.
[b]
7. Speak out against injustice[/b]

Feeling powerless against the Muslim men who won't let you come to the mosque? At least speak out against it. Did a speaker say something insensitive about sisters? Speak out against it. Use your knowledge of the Quran and Sunnah to challenge gender-unfriendly spaces and positions in the Muslim community.

Too often, the status quo is maintained because Muslim women do not speak up.

And don't just speak out against the bad. Ask questions and comment with wisdom as well.
[b]
8. Don't underestimate the power of social activities[/b]

Do you think organizing social activities such as dinners for sisters is just a waste of time? Not if you know the reality of the Muslim community here in the UK.

While many sisters have families they can easily turn to for company and support, there are many who don't. Our communities have plenty of sisters who are new to Islam, or sisters who are students from abroad, or who recently immigrated here with their families but who are hungry for companionship.

What better companionship than that of Muslim sisters for the sake of Allah?

Organizing weekly dinners, teas, Halaqas are all small practical steps that Muslim sisters can take to help each other not only cope with loneliness, but more importantly become closer to Allah, if He wills. This creates a much-needed social network.

[b]9. Go into professions that are needed in the community[/b]

Often, we encourage our children to go into professions that are seen as prestigious or that will ensure them financial security. These may not, however, be professions that are most needed by the Muslim community. Identify what the needs are and encourage young women to pursue careers in these fields.

For example, there is dire need for Muslim community advocates, social workers, therapists, family counselors, and other support resources. The shortage of such professional skills within the community forces Muslims to go to non-Muslims who are often insensitive to our religious values.

Another field where Muslim women are needed is law. Marriage, divorce, custody of children, and inheritance are all issues which directly affect Muslim women, and for which they will rarely find a Muslim advocate. There is a need for sisters who know Islamic law and the local law to help Muslim women deal with issues like these with sincere, sound advice, as well as sympathetic support.

Is there a Muslim woman doctor in the house? For the most part, the answer is no. It is no cliche to say that there is a crying need for women in the medical field. Sisters are especially needed in sensitive fields like obstetrics and gynecology, fertiltiy specialists, etc.

These are among many areas where women, especially Muslim ones, feel most comfortable discussing exclusively with other women who will understand where they are coming from.
[b]
10. Teach in Islamic weekend schools[/b]

Does getting an education degree sound too far-fetched? If so, consider helping Islam in America by teaching at the local Islamic weekend school. This is where a number of Muslim kids (most of whom attend public school) find their only Islamic environment throughout the whole week.

The presence Muslim sisters as mentioned above, is not just in imparting knowledge but it's also in being a positive role model.

As well, teaching in Islamic weekend schools provides you with the opportunity to clarify the position of women in Islam, to clear it of the cultural baggage so many Muslim parents tend to pass down to their kids.

[b]11. Enjoin the good and forbid the evil[/b]

The Prophet said: If one of you sees something evil he should change it with his hand. If he cannot, he should speak out against it, and if he cannot do even that he should at least detest it in his heart, this being the weakest form of faith (Muslim).

Enjoining the good and forbidding the evil is not the domain of Muslim brothers alone. Sisters are also required to do this, whether it is on an individual or community level. Look for opportunities and build your strength to do this.

Not only will you be fulfilling a religious duty, but you will become stronger and Allah willing, gain the strength to speak out against wrong regardless who is doing the wrong.

[b]12. Promote and appreciate sisters doing good work[/b]

How many of us spend time to appreciate the work Muslims sisters do to promote the cause of Islam?

Whether a sister has given an inspiring speech, written a useful article, established a fantastic program for the mosque, a number of sisters tend to beat each other down instead of trying to build each other up.

Promoting and appreciating sisters who are doing good work will not only serve as encouragement for them, it will also pinpoint acceptable role models for young Muslim women. This is important when many or our young girls look up to women who are models, actresses and singers, as opposed to those making a positive contribution to society.

[b]13. Support other sisters in need or difficulty[/b]

Do you know a sister who takes care of her own kids, plus an ailing mother-in-law? Or a sister who needs a night out with her husband after a frustrating week juggling work and home responsibilities? Give her a break. Offer to babysit for a night, or take her kids to the park so she can have some free time to herself. These small gestures give a big boost to sisterhood and Muslim community support, not to mention support for a Muslim family.

[b]14. Get sympathetic speakers and scholars invited to the community[/b]

Who are the top five speakers in your community? What is their understanding of Islam and especially the role of women? Do they speak out against injustice? Or do they promote the status quo?

Sisters can encourage community leaders to invite speakers to shed light on Muslim women's issues, and who can address problems from an Islamic perspective in a wise and sensitive way.

[b]15. Teach sisters how to deal with discrimination[/b]

How many sisters know how to respond effectively to discrimination and harassment? It seems that most will tend to ignore it. Others may respond with a rude remark of their own. But neither of these approaches is usually appropriate.

Muslim women can help here by developing an effective strategy in consultation with Imams and community leaders. Informing and enabling Muslim women on how to seek legal recourse if they so choose is another needed service.

[b]16. Become journalists and media professionals[/b]

Do you think the ability to write well and communicate effectively has no effect on others?

You're wrong. A knowledgeable, practicing Muslim woman who can write and speak well is a powerful weapon against those who say Islam oppresses women, or that women can't come to the mosque for instance.

The media is an unavoidable tool in the spread of Islam amongst Muslims and non-Muslims and sisters should not avoid this field of study.
[b]
17. Use what you have[/b]

If you're already a working Muslim woman, how can you contribute without necessarily changing careers? Use your professional skills for the community.

If you can write well, establish a well-written, organized and attractive community newsletter. If you're in business, establish a community fundraising project for the local mosque's expansion. Use what you've got. It'll take some thinking and planning, but you're almost bound to find a way you can contribute, if Allah wills.

[b]18. Know and teach women's history[/b]

Do you think women's history means learning exclusively about American feminists? Think again. Muslim women have their own heroes. Aisha, Khadijah, Maryam, Asiya (may Allah be pleased with all of them) are our role models. Remember that Muslim women's history does not start and end with these four righteous women. Muslim history is full of women who have made positive contributions.
Read to your daughters the stories of the great female companions of the Prophet in books.

[b]19. Understand the issues of the day[/b]

Do you know what your kids are learning in school? Is there a sex education class promoting unIslamic ideas? What are you going to do about it? Do you participate in your child's Earth Day activities at school?

Muslims sisters have to know the issues of the day in order to make an impact. Whether it's sex education, drunk driving or rape these and other issues should be of concern to us as well, and not just non-Muslims. Being vocal, and most importantly, knowing and advocating the Islamic position on issues of the day affords you the opportunity to stand up for justice and to make Dawa. Don't pass it up.

[b] SO SISTERS CAN DO AN AWFUL LOT- DONT JUST LOCK THEM UP AT HOME PLEASE![/b]

wasalaam

"TheRevivalEditor" wrote:

[b] SO SISTERS CAN DO AN AWFUL LOT- DONT JUST LOCK THEM UP AT HOME PLEASE![/b]

too late....ive lost the key now