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[color=indigo][b]Far from it.[/b][/color]
And you haven't?
So you're taking the words of the kuffar Daily Mail seriously? I think you better. . Nick Griffin wrote a letter to the cops about it. It's posted on their website and something is going to happen. They may be racist but you can't blame him for this.
Salaams All
This is a letter i sent to the media and posted on dscussion boards, please forward, send to the media, edit as u please etc. Also listen to the radio programm as well. Jzk for in advance.
We saw the disgraceful Despatches program which tried to outdo Newsnight in terms of misquoting, selective quotes and shoddy journalism and slandering of Islam and those Muslim groups and organisation who call for Islam valiantly.
The aim was to create division within the unified Muslim community and make us argue among oursleves. Althought they chose to focus on Muslims who they refer to as being Wahabies Allah swt mentions in the Quran that their are those who accept the message of Islam and those who reject, you are either a Muslim or non-Muslim.
Just because we disagree with a certain understanding of Islam based upon interpretation of the texts we should not condemn them or ally with the disbelievers in their attacks and slander against our brothers. This is un-Islamic and political suicide, because the British are well known for dividing and conquoring during the time of Colonial rule and even now, while the Americans have another policy which is easier to see and oppose, namely occupation.
The Saudi Government also came under attack form the non-Muslim program makers even though they have tried their best to please the disbelievers by allying with them and giving them military bases from
which they bombed our brothers and sisters in Iraq. Maybe the Saudis should read the Quran and re-examine Tawhid and come back to the obediance of Allah as opposed to the obedediance to the Crusaders which is Shirk.
Another important point is that the undercover spy was a hindu who went inside the house of Allah and pretended to be a Muslim, what would have been the response if a Muslim went undercover inside a church, synagogue or temple?
Lots of Christian preachers condemn homosexuals, abortion, sex outside of marriage, Non-christians, and sinners. Why have they not been targetted?
The media is influenced by Government policy and falsely claims to be independent and impartial when every single aware Muslim knows that it is a lie based on facts from what we have seen and read.
Our response should be based upon intellect and deep thought and not emotional and reactionary, this is un-Islamic and confirms what the program makers were trying to portray about Muslims and Islam.
We need to make our voice heard via protests, demonstration, discussion with non-Muslims, writting letters, phoning radio stations etc.
We are Muslims who believe in the only way of life acceptable to Allah, and we know that the war on Islam is because the west senses the imminent return of the Caliphate in the Muslim world and all this demonisation is to frighten their people and build a hatred for Islam and Muslims, so that when the time comes they can launch a military attack unopposed from their public. This happend before the illigal invasion of Iraq when their public were fed lies and misinformation and consequently supported the invasion of Iraq.
Oh! Muslims, Oh! Best ummah raised for mankind
Do not be scared, intimidated or frightened to speak the truth and challenge the statos quo because this life is a test and we should be happy and honoured that we are living at a time when we stand on the brink of the return of the Caliphate which will herald a new dawn for the Muslim ummah.
The unification of our lands will happen, the occupation of Muslim land will be reversed, justice will return and the laws of Allah swt will be applied in their entirety and the hegemony of America will be challenged and exposed and the believers will rejoice as well as non-Muslims who will withness the beauty of Islam and inshAllah come to Islam in their millions ameen.
http://www.7cgen.com/index.php?showtopic=7194
Showkat Ali
Please listen to this radio phone in program
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/mainframe.s.../asiananita_mon
[url]www.7cgen.com[/url], the place to be
ive been away for one day and you let the banned shazan enter his ugly head under a new username????
he is full of hatred and sectarianism and is a complete fitna. he is banned and pls moderators when the muppet comes back under a new name...ban him pls...
some ppl have no honour or respect...they get banned yet keep coming back. how sad and desperate is that.
and pls stick to the topic...
now shazan has been kicked out again, hopefully no more sectarian discussion...
back to undercover mosques....
pls answer my earlier post brother showkat:
yes half of the documentary was a cut an dpaste job and some of the statements were out of context...
eg...comments on jihad, companion stating to throw homosexual from the mountain, hitting a child after 10 if he doesnt pray etc....
BUT HALF OF IT WASNT. ALOT OF THE COMMENTS MADE WERE UNDEFENDABLE...AGAINST MAINSTREAM ISLAM AND WERE QUITE SHOCKING COMING FROM 'SCHOLARS'.
theres only so much you can defend...
you CANT defend most of the stuff the like of abu usamah, khalid yasin and others said...
how can u for god sake...they damage and corrupt Islamic teachings and we're suppose to defend them cos they're Muslims??? i dont think so...
they need to be held accountable...
Shaykh Abdul Hakim Murad was the only voice of wisdom.... he clarified that these so called Imams dont represent mainstream Islam.... as Islam doesnt teach you to hate the west, hate all non muslims, to beat women who dont wear hijab, to say women are deficient, to say we can marry women before they reach puberty(bilal phillips!!!???) and other rubbish like this.
Its time to be brave and stand up and say these lot dont represent us or majority of Muslims in UK....
yes , we need unity etc but you defend whats right, whats teh best for teh deen...and not defend fabrications, incitement of hatred, sexist views, some disgusting comments etc....
these people damage Islam with their views an dthey help the govt achieve their agenda...cos now i wont be surprised if govt clamps down on mosques, imams etc.... and we should all thank the so called imams who preach their hate.
UKIm as an organisation is good... but if you invite dodgy imams to come up with trash of course ppl are gonna question the organisation....
and the idea that sufis or people of traditional Islam dont believe in jihad on battlefield or in political Islam...is another massive fabrication.
im with showkat on this one.
if aim was to report what goes on in somt of those mosques, then they did it very badly.
your last comment about the kafirs getting rid of those imams caned it..
anyway's.. i cant be asked arguing over dodgy recordings.
there was a bit on the dispatches that said the Imams were telling people to give dawah and to increase the number of muslims to make them a greater force here in the UK.
to be perfectly honest, i totally understand that to be the biggest issue of them all. comments about gay boys, and women isn't really anything limited to dodgy imams. gay boys are being picked on, in every school playground in the country..
but the bit about Muslims striving to get stronger in the UK which would one day lead to Islamic rule here.. the undertone on that seemed to place great concern and gave it a sense of militancy.
personally I don't think there was any need for that. the simple reason behind that is to save ourselves from hell and to save the non muslim. it was sad dispatches didn't mention any of that.
personally I think Muslims are well within their rights to preach about Islam. they are well within their rights to tell people if they don't accept islam they will burn in hell, if they accept Islam they will get heaven.
I think Muslims are well witihin their rights to tell each other to spread the deen and implement it into their lives. theyre well within their rights to tell each other not to live as the non muslim lives. thats not to say im condemning all the characteristics of a non muslim, but a lot of it you gotta agree is pretty bad.
the BNP are always gna cause problems mark, whether the imams are there or not. its something muslims and and non muslims alike gotta deal with.
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
This programme featured deeply disturbing footage recorded secretly by an undercover journalist, alongside extracts from Islamic propaganda DVDs on sale openly at various mosques. This material was clearly shown to include serious criminal offences, including incitement to violence against children, women, homosexuals, Jews, Christians and non-Muslims. The level of violence recommended ranged from between hitting them up to and including murder.
Other potential offences include incitement to racial hatred against Jews and against white people in Britain, this on the basis that the vast majority of 'kuffaars' in the country are white, incitement to paedophilia and treason.
The potential offences are shown in the programme being committed by a number of clearly identifiable individuals, in clearly identified places, including Green Lane Mosque, Small Heath, Sparkbrook Mosque, Alum Rock Islamic Centre, the Al-Tawid Mosque in East London and the bookshop at Regent's Park Mosque, Central London.
The individuals include Dr. Bijal Philips, Abu Usama, Sheikh Hassan, the trustees of the Markazi Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith UK charity, Sheikh Faiz and Murtaza Khan. It is highly likely that the unused footage collected by Channel Four can also be used to identify other individuals and potential offences.
As the people of this country are already all too well aware, such radical Islamist teachings are not a matter merely for academic concern; the role of hate-preaching in radicalising and recruiting potential terrorists and suicide bombers is a matter of record. This is not an issue of free speech, since freedom of speech has never included the right to incite serious criminal offences.
I therefore write to ask that your force take immediate action to obtain all the material collected by Channel Four in the course of their investigation and to create a specialist investigative team to study the material in detail with a view to bringing prosecutions and to closing down institutions and organisations responsible for these various hate-crimes. In addition, since it is also well-known that radical Islam is a form of ideological and psychological virus, I ask that serious consideration be given - in the interests of public safety - to the immediate closure of all the buildings shown as being the bases for these dangerous teachings until your investigation is over and the guilty individuals have been removed and replaced by genuine moderates who can be guaranteed not to preach hatred and jihad against our society.
I would also ask that your team be particularly aware of the responsibility of registered charities and the recipients of government grants to remain at all times within the law, and to notify the Charity Commission and grant-making bodies of all instances you uncover where this has not been the case. In addition I ask that you act to broaden the scope of the current cash for honours investigation into senior members of the Labour party to include investigation into the possibility that government, lottery and other public funds grants have been used by the Labour party to 'buy' Muslim votes.
Finally, in view of the record of 'graduates' from the Medinah University in Saudi Arabia for involvement in incitement to serious offences in the UK, and the clear link between the preachers of hate in this programme with that institution, I urge you to press the Home Secretary to use his powers to expel immediately any and all foreign graduates from Medinah University on the grounds that their presence here is not conducive to the public good, and to arrest and hold all British citizen graduates or students of the same institution under Anti-Terrorism law preventative powers.
While I appreciate that you will not be able to divulge any operational details, I look forward to your prompt confirmation that action will be taken to investigate the allegations made by this programme, to examine all the unused material collected during its making, and to follow up all the leads it contains for the fight against Islamist radicalism and terrorism in our imperiled country.
Yours faithfully
Nick Griffin
Chairman, British National Party
The victimization excuses aren't going to work any more. Either muslims take care of this or the kafirs will.
Stmark, which statements documented by Dispatches do you object to?
we need to ignore what BNP think about this.... for them this is perfect excuse to increase their islamophobia... our 'imams' have given them the perfect amunition to preach their hatred against Islam....
i think as Muslims we have to be open an dhonest , we're either too apologetic or too defensive...
on this issue half o fit was out of context but 50% wasnt...and that is what is disturbing... and alot of Muslims unfortunately think its WRONG to question or hold imams accountable!!!
dispatches wanted to rip imams, mosques apart.... at same time... there was too much stuff which A SCHOLAR OF ISLAM WOULD NEVER SAY!!!
Salam Brothers & Sisters,
Putting aside the contents of the programme for a moment, I think the way it was compile and the "undercover" manner was not fair to say the least.
If you were to take an undercover camera into a meeting between Blair and Bush on the discussion of Iraq and they aired it on TV, I'm sure there would be outrage at some "topics of conversation".
I feel shameful that so called scholars and imams were making such comments. At the end of the day, just because they have a title doesn't mean they are any more purer than any other human being, which is clearly the case.
Until such time that these brain washed individuals are removed from the frontline and the ability to "represent all muslims" which they don't, taken away then these programs will continue.
On a seperate subject, I spoke to a HT brother to ask his comments on the recent program compile about them. He believed that some people where planted near what was happen and the camera focussed more on these people than the other brothers which were not violent etc.
In order for muslims to respond to this we should similarly group together and conduct our own undercover work on other organisations and then present them for broadcasting.
I'm sorry but I don't think I could be the camera man as my skills are rubbish.
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Did you really put that in your 'letter to the media'?
Have I mentioned anywhere that I am of the opinions that Muslims mostyl get what they deserve?
Niot individually, but as a community, we have no right to demand more when we do not give more.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Okay the programme wasn't fair because it only represented very very few mosques and yes maybe not all of the words of those Imams were quoted BUT why should they promotes things which are against Islam? We should kill the kuffur etc etc.
Due to misguided people like those the whole Muslim Ummah is suffering. They may be a very small minority but the media like to promote Islam in a bad manner so they are getting exactly what they want from those Imams. People should think twice before talking. Alll those things which were said were against the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw), we are required to treat people from different faiths in a respectful manner!
So we cant blame channel four for airing the programe or the media for capturing it because as Muslims we have a duty to think about what we are saying and the consequences of it.
Completely agree. My comment was just highlighting that it was a collection of unethical acts that resulted it what we saw on TV.
Clearly if these misguided individuals didn't exist then such a programme would not exist. The problem is that you will always have these types of people, whether they are muslim, jewish, hindu, christian and so on.
These humans brains are a playing ground for Shaitan.
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If they are preaching hate that's not just religion that's criminal behavior. Muslims can argue that it was taken out of context or whatever all they want but if they are preaching hate and muslims don't do anything about it the kafirs will. Wheather they end up alive or dead depends on who gets to them first. I'm not talking about the police, I mean the nazes and white supremists. I don't see how it could have been taken out of context but maybe some of it was.Anyway I think something bad is going to happen in briton.
true say mark..
neo nazis and 9-11.. some next level organisations.. i don't think i'll go there.
either way, the "muslim's sort it out or the non-muslims will" threat/warning in my opinion is likely to have very little effect.
the very basics of Islamic teachings is that Allah/God makes everything happen. Now I aint saying people should just sit back and relax. but for me as a Muslim who reads "muslim's sort it out or the non-muslims will" is something that attributes totalitarian power to the creation of Allah.
Yes inshAllah (if God wills), Muslims will try their utmost best to sort out this mess with dodgy Imam's - exactly how baffles me especially since it apparantly has links overseas, and may or may not be fueled by greater political events taking place in the world such as the invasion of Iraq and the Massacre's of Philistine etc.
Mark I understand words of a lot of Imams or Muslims in general will offend many. Saying things like non-muslims will face eternal hell fire is likely to annoy the likes of Nick Griffin. But a Muslim isn't going to report or chop the heads off an Imam who says so.
A Muslim will only do that which is required by him or her within the scopes of their religion as well as the laws of the land. Attributing powers which exceed these in my opinion is asking for trouble and segregates the community even further.
if it is a problem its a problem that the UK, maybe even the world nations collectively have to deal with taking into consideration all sides of the story.
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
no matter how much ppl may hate showkat he had a valid point in that it has created division amongst muslims who are in need of unity anyways.
I heard the comments of that Dr on asian network who was at the forefront of this programme he was seething with hatred for wahabbis. Not all wahabis are extremists they may follow a very conservative, literal view of the religion but not all are terrorists, or violent. He was suggesting they are, he pin pointed them as producing all the ills within the muslim ummah, as if muslims from other madhabs/denominations are not guilty of the same? As a result of his comments many ppl are now parroting his views and taking on this superiority complex, my sect is better than yours coz im moderate you're not oh paleeze.
Though no one has said nothing out right i can feel this sort of tension here amongst certain members, they clearly want to distance themselves entirely from those muslims who call themselves wahabbis or salafis. So what of the decent law abiding ones should we give them the same stamp? I certainly won't be regardless of what the rest of the sheep do.
I'm not denying the problems within the masjid, but frankly how do you know there are not problems within other places of worship why just target masjids? Sorry the muslim hate campaign is on how could i forget!
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This reminds me of Pat Robertson saying muslims are worse than nazis.
all due respect mark, ones a video of abu usama defending himself from allegations by dispatches which he rightfully did..
the other is about some bloke called Sheik Feiz Mohammed??
kinda missing the point here?
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
firstly, who hates showkat here? as i havent noticed it...
secondly, the problems with Muslims responding to this documentary is that they become defensive or aggressive against other Muslims, like the poster who was banned again just recently.
we shouldnt be in denial...and just say 'propoganda'... yes that was the aim but it has highlighted some HATRED AND SHOCKING STATEMENTS from certain imams...which have to be condemned.... yet Muslims affiliate dto the creed of these imams have become defensive, paranoid and become aggressive towards 'the other side' like shaykh abdul hakim murad etc.
has anyone who affiliates themselves to 'salafis/wahabbis' condemned some of the statements made by certain 'imams'?
and as to Dr Irfan Alawi... he always speaks against wahabis.... which is not wise, is damaging to muslim unity...but he is as bad as many many local imams out there who openly speak against brelwis, deobandis, shia etc....
Regarding sh Abdul hakim murad.... now majority of ppl who are defending Dispatches are saying awful things about him...which is not helping anyone.
Doesnt matter what school of thought doctrine you follow as long as you dont make irresponsible and wreckless speeches which damage the ummah... not your sect, group, organisation, jamaat...but THE UMMAH. Non Muslims just know that MUSLIM imams said dodgy stuff and was creating hatred against the infidels!
There are other wahabi/salafi speakers out there...who i can disagree on creed but i can still say there are scholars and dont promote hatred and division and create confusion amongst the ummah.
it should be obvious by now when Muslims are attacked , its Islams name that goes down the pan... so we should be careful of what we do and say...for the sake of the deen.
AND... only defend and support Muslims when they are in the right... not when they are in the wrong JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE MUSLIMS!
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