Foysol89 wrote:

what are your findings, why are we here,

Some people would say we're here to please our creator who created us
Some would say this life is a test, and the real life starts aftar Qayamat
Some would say you only live once so make the most of this once coz you're not going to get it again

Foysol89 wrote:

where did we come from & where are we gonna go?

we evolved from monkeys
I don't know where we are going to go

Foysol89 wrote:

I really don't understand your way of thinking...it's like you're an alien who doesn't understand human behaviour, well atleast that's the act you're putting on. Seriously, what's with the clueless act one minute & then the next you're a know it all who just repeats some dumbfounded argument that's not their own and keeps repeating it without any understanding.

I never said that I was a know it all, why do you think that?

Foysol89 wrote:

When you want to learn about a subject, you don't study a person who's studying it himself (which is what you're doing). what im saying is go study Islam and not muslims.

I've given up on Islam, I don't want to worry about religion

Foysol89 wrote:

I'm pretty sure if someone took YOU as study material for Islam they wouldn't have a clue about what Islam is.

That's true because my Imaan is very very weak or none at all

Foysol89 wrote:

Seriously, you come out with so much rubbish and you expect us to explain your regurgitated crap back to you.

Foysol89 wrote:

Oh and thanks for making me laugh. You killed it with the whole West side government is better than the rest. Go tell that to the millions of civillians who died so the west could have their oil.

Please
Iran–Iraq War ( First Persian Gulf War) Muslims killed each other
Iraq and Kuwait gulf war Muslims killed each other
Syrian occupation of Lebanon Muslims killed each other

Foysol89 wrote:

You know what i apologies if i offended you but you need to seriously use that brain of yours to search for the truth. May Allah guide you and us all. Ameen

Why is your truth the only truth? and everyone else’s truth a lie?

You wrote:

The shaykhs of al azhar, the leaders of An Nahda in Tunisia, the religious affairs directorate of Turkey along with the conference there on the issue of democracy in AFAIK 1998.

Got to take your word on that, don't know much about Tunisia

You wrote:

Add to that Pakistani scholars who are or have took part in politics in the past.

You mean Maulana Fazul ur Rehman Qazi Hussain Ahmed MMA Mutaihida Majlas -e- Amal what did they ever do? i can't remember anything

Amir Liaquat Hussain a mini scholar

Mein aik be ikhtiyar wazeer ho

Pakistan's peoples party
Zulafqar Ali Bhutto,daughter behnazir now husband Zardari, next Bilawal "Bhutto" zardari

or if you vote for me mr Kashif I will get your brother released from jail
is this what you call democracy, here do we see this kind of thing

You wrote:

You might also have heard of the Muslim Brotherhood.

You wrote:

Yusuf Al Qaradawi too.

Islamic groups in Libya. Morocco currently has a islamic group which is the majority parliamentarian party (though this is a constitutional monarchy).

Libya Qaddafi took over and did not want to let go, his people were sick of him, son was going to be next
I don't think any party would have ever got a chance

The groups who dont allow popular leadership are few and far between, even if they may be vocal.
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Heard on the news today that people have been killed in Syria

Lilly wrote:

because they made it up! and coz they dont know what its about.

you beleive we come from monkey? you believe that you blink and breathe without thinking is a matter of total randomness?

I'm not sure but human evolution says that

Lilly wrote:

what am i doing...you're wayy too young to be arguing this stuff. you think you're on top of the world "mamma, Im seven, I know everything there is to know about the world and i dont need to go to school anymore!" thats you.

do I sound like that, really?

Lilly wrote:

you need to understand and assimilate a few things:

muslim does NOT equal Islam

It does because you're Muslim and your Muslim because of Islam

Lilly wrote:

muslim countries does NOT equal Islam

Lilly wrote:

you need to learn about ISLAM. not pakistani/asian culture.

Islam’s history has nothing to do with us British Muslims, European Muslims, Asian Muslims, African Muslims sorry if I’ve missed out

The only people that Muslim history is relevant to is Arab’s who are Islam ke Thekedaar] in other words Islam belongs to them, the Quran is written in Arabic- Mohammed (PBUH) was an Arab born in Makka and he was apart of the Qureshi tribe who were Arab, we pray towards Mekka Qabaa we go for Hajj and Umrah to Saudi Arab, we are slaves of the Arabs

You wrote:

you love making assertions without backing them up.

you jump from one topic to another without actually responding the the points raised.

I think I am 90% sure I am going to ban you.

I have

Lilly wrote:

i said DO YOU?

I'm not sure tbh science is discovering new things every day

Lilly wrote:

you tell me how it DOES?

A Muslim county is going to follow Islam so what ever culture you're going to see is Islamic

Example a news readers say bismilla rraḥmāni rrahim before starting the news in Pakistan then its news in Urdu Punjabi English or whatever, news in UK would be Good morning or afternoon lets take a look at today’s headlines no bismilla because it’s not a Muslim country

Things closing on religious holidays

Lilly wrote:

Islam's history got everything to do with us coz its US. we're muslims before anythign else.

No because we can't relate to them in any way plus our families were not even Muslims then
I think they invaded countries with the sword

example
Salahudin born in Iraq
Mehmood Ghaznavi born in Afghanstan
Mohd. bin qasim born in Saudi
Zahir ud din Babar born Uzbekistan
Ahmed Abdali born in Afghanstan
Nadir Shah born in Afghanstan

Me and Hassan Nisar have these questions, we're all Muslim the same lets see

The Arabs do not let the Pakistanis marry in them
They do not give Pakistani's permanent residency to live AFAIK
they put you under a person called Kafeel an Arab who you have to get permission from to do anything, the west who are non muslim welcome the whole world and give you all the rights, they don't treat you like a slave, yet you talk bad about them he says in urdu in a funny way

God mein baith ke daari kainchte ho that's very funny

in ENGLISH it' s something like this - Muslims who live in the west and protest agents them that's like sitting in someone's lap and pulling their beard

Quran, surah 34 ayah 28: And We have not sent thee (O Muhammad) save as a bringer of good tidings and a warner unto all mankind; but most of mankind know not. (28)

Lilly wrote:

it says Linnassi = people. the WHOLE WORLD. thats the difference between prophet muhammad (pbuh) and the rest of the prophets which were sent only to their people.

the cure to ignorance is asking questions.

Then everyone should love and respect Mohammed (PBHU) but they don't

Perseveranze wrote:

Before that event happened, the Muslims were on the back foot, the Prophet(pbuh) lost his uncle and his wife and various other tradgedies had happened.

After this event, everything changed.

Why did Allah give Mohammed (PBUH)so many tragedies?
Losing 1 of his wives could not have been that much of a tragedy because he had more 12 I think

You wrote:

See, here is how it also hints that you have never been Muslim - you know some things, but not enough as compared to what a Muslim would know.

You wrote:

During the time of Hazrat Khatijah (ra), the prophet had only one wife.

Ok, I did not know that

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

You know, I was going to say some Muslims don't know stuff like that, but then cbb.
But WHYYYYY do you generalise like that, no not all 'British Pakistani Muslims' are like that.

Ok, send a person from the revival.co.uk and ask these questions on the street and see how many 'British Pakistani Muslims’get them right

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

And why does your world start and end with Pakistanis?! There are other Muslims out there.

ARGHHHHHHHHH

I like to promote Pakistan in any good way

Lilly wrote:

You need to understand. When you're a muslim. Nothing else matters. You're a muslim before everything and anything else.

Lilly wrote:

The rest - if there's any - comes after. Hence why on here we're all friends. Coz we don't talk in problematic ways about the rest of the labels if we ever talk about them. French, british, asian, pakistani, bangladeshi. Bla bla bla. It's all side stuff we don't need to argue about.

You should try and be friends with everyone outside or on the internet

Lilly wrote:

You're the only nationalist here. And nationalism is not islamic. Especially if it's about dividing and setting up against each other.

Muslims have been divided since the death of Mohammed (PBUH)

Lilly wrote:

You agree? And the prophet had a hard life so that jerks like you will not be able to say stuff like 'oh the prophet never had a hard that's why he's so perfect! I can't be a good muslim!'

Lilly wrote:

the prophet could not read, was an orphan at 6, lost his grandad and only carer at 8.

How did he know the Quran?

Lilly wrote:

His uncle who protected him in very hard times did not become a muslim and died.

Why did he not convert his uncle?

Lilly wrote:

His most beloved wife died because the muslims were exiled with no food and no shelter for 2 years.

Why did Allah not help for 2 years?

Lilly wrote:

Stones were thrown at him when all he wanted to do was talk to people about Allah.

Throwing stones is just wrong

Lilly wrote:

He had sons but they died when young. One of the reasons put forward is because then he would have had successor who could have claimed leadership and special status after his death. If you read the books we recommend to you you'd know this stuff.

That's understandable

Lilly wrote:

You've rejected something you don't even know. Just like a kid saying he don't like peas before he even tasted them at the dinner table.

Have I up set you

Lilly wrote:

Once again throwing a tantrum for no reason.

If you feel like that I will listen to you

Lilly wrote:

You know how we're suppose to deal with that situation? Ignore the kid until he comes round.

I didn’t know that, your gonna make a very good mother in future

Lilly wrote:

not true. but you wouldnt know..you just listen to i dont even know what...

See

From a historic viewpoint, with Mohammed's (PBUH) death in AD 632, disagreement broke out over who should succeed him as leader of the Muslim community. Umar (Umar ibn al-Khattab), a prominent companion of Muhammad, nominated Abu Bakr(r.a). Others added their support and Abu Bakr (r.a) was made the first caliph. This choice was disputed by some of Mohammed (PBUH) companions, who held that Ali (r.a)
(Ali ibn Abi Talib), his cousin brother and son-in-law, had been designated his successor. None of Mohammed (PBUH) sons survived into adulthood, therefore direct hereditary succession was never an option

Lilly wrote:

...source...

This was taken from wiki but ask any alim and they will tell you the same as that's how the Sunni Shia divide came about