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excellent comment yuit
im still at that shock faze, but no one has explained to be how those actions have nothing to do with sufism, all i got was anger and insults
anyway i feel the same way dont really get sufism all confusing to me
therefore sticking to orthodox islam is probably best to me
The main problem is not many of us watched the programme.
and then those of us did, we only watche like five mins.
So we can not really say much.
And RAF saying you will stick to orthodox Islam; sufism IS a part of orthodox Islam.
For the sahabah etc. it was all the same thing.
Later, for us mere mortals the asects were broken down into fiqh, sufism etc. They are a part of the whole and were not known as separate things originally.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
who said sufism is not part of orthodox islam?
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This is his view of Sufism:
salaam beast
yes that is my view , please correct me then
Sufis do not bow to graves.
However even prostrating to another apart from god is not by default shirk. It is banned, and wrong.
Praying to saints:
what do you mean? Only Allah can grant you anything. However, there is the hadith of the blind man. Here the blind man was taught a dua by the Prophet(saw) where HE ASKED THE PROPHET (SAW) for help. So the act of asking for help is sunnah (and known as Istighasah). Somethimes there is the need for an intermediary. Afterall we were not taught Islam directly.
Decorating graves; not shirk. You are confirming that someone has died. Allah (swt) will never die. however when the Prophet
once passed a grave, he threw some fresh leaves on it. So this act can possibly be counted at following as a sunnah.
Singing & dancing: depends on what is being sung. Something reminding us of Allah (swt), or praising the Prophet or other noble people is not wrong. siinging saturday night fever on the other hand...
Dancing: again depends on the type. Obviusly something like salsa is not allowed. (unless in privacy between husband and wife...)
However sufi's say the whole body moves to the rhythm of Allah. From the heartbeat to grand movememnts. Some bob their heads to the rhythm. Some do dhikr standing, and bob their whole bodies.
Where is any of this banned? (going back to the rule that everything is allowd unless forbidden...)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
his view is frm the telly-that says it all
and MrAdmin did a good job in refuting it
but we can't underestimate the power of channel 4
what is funny though-all the Sufi lover here's have NEVER spoke about the view he holds of sufism
pardon lilsis what was that last remark?
what I meant was
if we read the last 10 odd pages of this thread and the 20 odd pages in the sufism thread in the old forum
dancing, singing, decorating graves and bowing to graves are subjects that hardly come up
so his reservations aint even the main focus of sufism
well said and you are right. certain sufi factions such as the whirling dervishes do use the spinning movement, most sufi's dont as they have either passed this phase or simply follow other sufi traditions
i think modern sufi's don't do the whirling thing
i think this is a thing of the past-i've never come across anyone speaking about it either
or am I wrong?
In regards to the dervish i dont knw if it is still done by people but i was speakin to my sis and every movement in the "dance" has somethin to do with gettin closer to Allah (swt) and purifying ones heart, need to ask sis again, i think it looks amazin (i got a keyring with a dervish dancer)
There is also different forms of zikr and the one where u stand up is called "hadra" its pretty cool.
I’ve been looking to get that dervish dancer thing for some time now…my friend has one in her house; she got it from the Middle East.
I have never seen them in shops. Where did you get yours from?
And regarding dervish dancing…I didn’t think it was common. But the “Hadra” def is. I’ve seen Sheikh Abu Bakr Sudani lead this dhikr many times…
I didnt get the actual dervish dancer (i want one now) but it was a keyring and i also got this cute lil make-up kinda bag with one on it, sis brought them from syria/turkey on the tour
Yeh hadra is amazin my cuz showed me a clip when he went to the tour and Shaykh-ul-Islam and other top scholars were leading it, the Arabs know how to do it properly and their movments were co-ordinated whereas the boys from UK lol they couldnt even do it properly!
Salam
Sufis don't wirl. They twirl.
Only they know the difference.
They don't move. They groove.
Groovy Sufis.
Omrow
Thats where my friend got hers from too. Looks like a trip to Syria is overdue.
many of you here seem to hold sufism in very high regard and passionate for sufism
i find that kinda strange because outside this forum, e.g my local mosques or birmingham muslims in general do not know a great deal of sufism, it is confusing to them as well as me
im not attacking sufism, i dont really no it, there are so many different sufi orders and different sufi customs its really confusing
Personally i have never met a proper sufi or sufi imam/scholor
Islam should be clear and precise , not shrouded in mistery and awe
believe me you dont want to know some of the things of heard about sufis from freinds, which im sure is untrue
anyway ill refrain from this thread since your all sufi lovers and just want to reinterate the fact im not agaisnt sufism or a sufi basher just dont understand it.
wa salaam
lol.
Wise move bro.
As with everything, there are true sufis and pseudo sufis. The true sufi is one whose life in every aspect conforms to shariah, who is punctual in his salah, gives his zakah, observes the sacred fasts, performs hajj, fulfills the rights of ALLAH and fulfills the rights of creation. He strives to purify his heart from its maladies and conforms to the sunnah.
The pseudo sufi . . . dnt get me started on them.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Good move Med.
It's better to make veiled insults than say what you're really thinking.
You have been taught well.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about-
Wayne Dyer
Where is that quotes thread? :?:
Salam
Thats the reason. Now you know why you are confused.
You will remain so until you meet one.
I heard there is one up north in Bolton Sharif.
Omrow
brother there is no veiled threats.
The description I gave of a true sufi, does any1 deny?
Similarly if you think it was a veiled insult then i shall describe the pseudo sufis.
They advertise that they give u success in exams or in love or in interviews or in health problems. They dont observe their salah, but walk around saying that they have reached higher spiritual planes are no longer confined to the rituals of salah. They charge money for amulets and be touched by women and immature boys.
They dont pray, give zakah, nor do they observe hijab or observe the sunnah save in some cases.
Whats veiled insult in there?
I would have thought EVRY1 wud agree with my definition of a true sufi. And I hope that no1 would say a person who does not observe salah, or does not follow shariah, or opposes the sunnah etc is a true sufi. I have faith that every1 wud agree and say to be a true sufi means complete and utter obedience to Shariah?
Kindly explain what it is u understood from my post.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Salam
It is abundantly apparent that stupid Salafies know nothing about the real mystics.
Omrow
It sounded like one of your Ahlul Bidah-esque proclamations.
Thankyou for explaining it.
k.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
No insult. Indeed Shaykh ul Islam vigerously warned us away from such people. The way you describe them, they sound like voodoo doctors.
What is this higher plane they have reached where they no longer require the blessed pillar of deen and blessed coolness of the eyes of Rasoolullaah SAW?
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Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes
Yep. He also said that a true Shaykh doesnt advertise his buisness...nor does he "sell" his buisness...he doesnt need to seek Mureeds (followers) they find him.
Anyone I'm sure with an ounce of common sense can distinguish between a true Sufi and a fake one.
Yes u wud think so but the art of the charlatan sufi is such that it preys on desperate people. A person can be the most common sensed and intelligent person ever, but when he/she finds himself in a desperate situation thats when they in desperation may be taken in by the charlatans.
Its sad but true.
Such people deserve public beatings (the charlatans not their victims.)
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Salaam
You know…. there are some people in life that you meet and take an instant liking to, you agree with everything they say, their thoughts, views and opinions on things…..
Things that they say are things that you had privately thought of before and had felt that you were the only one that felt that way…you automatically click with them.
Then they are other people whom we meet and for some unknown reason we take an instant disliking to….for no apparent reason.
It is said that the people you take an instant liking to is because your soul met and entwined with theirs in the previous world (world of souls)….whereas the people whom you take an instant disliking to (for no apparent reason) is because your soul never met with theirs in previous world.
I think this is where the concept of ‘soul mate’ also originates from.
The Holy Prophet
said: ‘Souls are like conscripted soldiers; those whom they recognize, they get along with, and those whom they do not recognize, they will not get along with.’ (Bukhaari)
Ibn Hajar did a commentary on this hadith and said “It could be that what is being referred to is the beginning of creation in the realm of the unseen when, it is reported, souls were created before bodies, and used to meet one another and express their pessimism about the future. When souls have entered bodies (come to the physical realm) they may recognize one another from the past, and may be on friendly terms or otherwise based on that past experience.”
Al-Qurtubi said: “Although they are all souls, they differ in different ways, so a person will feel an affinity with souls of one kind, and will get along with them because of the special quality that they have in common. So we notice that people of all types will get along with those with whom they share an affinity, and will keep away from those who are of other types. [“Birds of a feather flock together”]. We may also note that within any given group or type, people may get along with some and dislike others, and this is in accordance with issues or qualities that form the basis of love or hate.”
Has anyone ever met someone that they think is their soul mate?
Wasalaam
See a lot of people refer to the soul mate as being someone who has a lot in common with you and is from the opposite sex and destined to be with you. But i dont knw bout that ,cant a soul mate also be someone who you get on with the most ie best friend who is the same sex as you?
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