Alhamdulillah!
Thankyou for doing what I'm too lazy to do!

Here's another hadith which is a bit shorter:

[b]"Actions are judged on their intentions"[/b]
-Bukhari, Muslim et al

MashaAllah!

Theses books have probably been mention here before, but I personally recommend theses books to be taken heed to. Great sufi books and in genreal great books to read.

1. Mercy Oceans Endless Horizons
2. Mercy Oceans Divine Source
By Sheikh Nazim al-Qubrusi

Two very heavy books.

Thought that I should revive this topic.

[url=http://www.thelightmagazine.com/issue2/what_is_sufism.html]The Way of the Sufi[/url]

[url=http://www.al-hidayah.co.uk/]Al-Hidayah Spiritual Retreat[/url]

Chechen Zikr :shock: :shock:

http://www.zikranash.net/video02_02.avi

That old man is surely enjoying it.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

[b]"Mawlana says - if the sky is not in love, then it will not be so clear. If the sun is not in love, then it will not be giving any light. If the river is not in love, then it will be in silence, it will not be moving. If the mountains, the earth are not in love, then there will be nothing growing." [/b]

Are you still reading (or read) the Mathnavi?

Salam

Naturally, any pious lady would be addicted to wine.

Omrow

Q.E.D.

It was not meant for you.

However, since you are nosey... it means your reply to sirus proved my statement.

my new flat is quite roomy

Heres a very beautiful explanation of Tasawwuf (Sufism):

[url=http://www.suhba.org/dars/intro_more_v1.html]The Place of Tasawwuf in Traditional Islam[/url]

Theres lots of defintions of sufi, but sufism that beleives in increased dhikr is

[color=darkblue]"The Messenger of Allah said: ‘Allah, be He be blessed and exalted, has angels who travel the highways seeking out the people of dhikr. When they find people remembering Allah, the Mighty and Majestic, they call out to one another, "Come to what you hunger for!" and they enfold them with their wings, stretching up to the lowest heaven. Their Lord asked then, and He knows better than them, "What are My slaves saying?" They say: "They are glorifying, magnifying, praising and extolling You." He asks, "Have they seen Me?" They say, "No, by Allah, they have not seen You." He asks, "And how would it be if they saw Me?" They say, "They would be even more fervent and devoted in their praise and worship." He asks, "What are they asking me for?" They say, "They ask You for Paradise." He asks, "And have they seen it?" They say, "No, by Allah, O Lord, they have not seen it." He asks, "And how would it be if they saw it?" They say: "They would be even more eager for it and they would beseech You even more earnestly." He asks, "And what do they seek My protection from?" They say, "From the Fire of Hell." He asks, "Have they seen it?" They say, "No, by Allah, they have not seen it." He asks, "And how would it be if they saw it?" They say: "They would be even more afraid and anxious to escape it." Allah says: "You are My witnesses that I have forgiven them." One of the angels says: "So-and-so is not really one of them; he came (to the gathering) for some other reason." Allah says, "They were all in the gathering, and one of them will not be excluded (from forgiveness)."’"

(Reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 6408). [/color]

(Dnt know if above hadith has been posted in the thread, too long to browse through )

BUMP

islam is nit only about sitting and doing dhikr all day you have to do other things just as important, which includes dawah to both nonmuslims and muslims, jihad when necessary, and other things, even i do dhikr but dont do it all day ignoring other things or read quran all day doing nothing else you have to balance everything.

Except that your definition of jihad would include killing Muslims who are trying to do their weekly shopping in the local mall.

No one has said just do dhikr everyday all day and nothing else. You can do dhikr while walking, while working.

You can read the qur'an and still play football and be in employment to earn a living for you and your family. The two things are not opposing forces.

Where did i say your allowed ot kill innocent muslims? show me a single post where i said that, if you can i'll become a sufi, show it to me.

Stop putting words in peoples mouth like christians do, i know your allied with the uk usa because your spineless but atleast stop immitating them with their tactics in debates.

The usual sufi includes this "just pray do sufism and forget everything else" i know this cause i personally kno many sufi and many of them or rather many sufi sects say this, im not sure about qadri, but they are filled with their own flaws as many think they are michael jackson.

how can someone play football and read quran will your focus be on reading the quran or football? if your doing something like digging and singing nasheed or reading then its one thing, footall and qurn thats something, unless your goalkeeper that is.

Where did i say your allowed ot kill innocent muslims? show me a single post where i said that, if you can i'll become a sufi, show it to me.

Stop putting words in peoples mouth like christians do, i know your allied with the uk usa because your spineless but atleast stop immitating them with their tactics in debates.

The usual sufi includes this "just pray do sufism and forget everything else" i know this cause i personally kno many sufi and many of them or rather many sufi sects say this, im not sure about qadri, but they are filled with their own flaws as many think they are michael jackson.

how can someone play football and read quran will your focus be on reading the quran or football? if your doing something like digging and singing nasheed or reading then its one thing, footall and qurn thats something, unless your goalkeeper that is.

You said you support the fatwa of the non scholar Osama Bin Laden which allows the murder of other people, non combatants even.

If you follow the acts of his followers and like minded people in the Afghan-Pakistan border (in general pakistan too), Iraq before the Al qaeda in Iraq were defeated and Somalia, you will notice their deliberate targetting of non combattants and other Muslims.

98% of the victims of Alqaeda and related organisations have been other Muslims.

If someone says "do not go to the markets in a specific town because we will attack it" and then that market is attacked and many people killed, I see that as evidence of the complicity and support of the person who uttered the first words for the actions.

The suicide bombings in Iraq, Afghanistan/Pakistan and Somalia which target other Muslims... these are haraam at the absolute minimum and depending on the intention and beliefs may even be kufr.

You mention how alqaeda fighters gave bay'ah to Mullah Umar... do you also know how they played a double game with him in 2001, where they sabvotaged his attempts at peace with the US and invited the US into afghanistan, at the cost of Afghan (Muslim) lives?

Now tell me, what is your position of a militant or other who in afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq or SOmalia goes and carries out an act that results in deaths by explosion in places such as schools, mosques, markets or other such places?

Where does Islam allow the desecration of graves, like the alqaeda people do in the afpak border and Somalia where they dig up the bodies of their enemies?

MS wrote:

Thank you for bumping this up - I enjoyed reading this.

No probs I still need to read, I'm looking forward to it!

MuslimSister wrote:

You wrote:

You can read the qur'an and still play football

Lol,

True. Especially, if you have memorised a lot of Qur'an. My husband has memorised almost 10 juz and he often recites whilst cleaning, washing up, even shopping etc.

But I suppose, just playing football and not forgetting Allah during that time, can consist of dhikr of Allah

Masha'Allah

wow, 774 replies????? thts gotta be the highest yet right??? lol!

I wanted admin to lock this thread because it seems almost all the way through they are *actually on topic* and I didn't want to be put off, reading the topic by random arguing and random posts which people might make now.

*hint* *hint*