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No. I take it you have forgotten, what with Hizbullah getting involved.
Really. If they insist on holding out by your logic while Israel decimates their positions more fool them.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
2 IDF hogs capture but unconfirmed to be alive or dead, if these farm hogs are dead, then 2 is not enough.
language.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
The Great 100 I mentioned "something like" in regards to the % that I gave. Your statistics may well be more accurate.
But my point was that Hizbullah are from the people of Lebanon and they are a grassroots organisation. To try and cut them off from the people or the land and to make them appear as foreign and alien to the country is a great injustice to the democracy and to the Lebanese.
I have to say Nasrallah is the impressive - and thats saying a lot seeing as he is shi'a. The guy has military and political acumen (think thats the right word :? )
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Current death tolls:
Lebanese: 200
Israeli: 24
So who are the terrorists?
Who isn't?
Israel for going on a killing spree just because it can?
Hizbollah for rocketing Haifa?
Or the world for watching intently and keeping death tolls like a soccer score while doing [i]nothing[/i].
Did anyone catch the news today? Kofi and Blair are finally talking about putting a UN force together, something that we needed 2 weeks ago.
At this rate they might even be deployed before Lebanon is rubble.
I recently read somewhere that the Jews had not left Shebaa Farms and Golan Heights when they withdrew from Lebanon a few years back. If this is true then that means they are still occupying a portion of Lebanese and in Syrian territory so the crossborder incursion of Hizbullah fighters is nothing but the normal act of a standard war.
Any1 got info on this?
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Those are still occupied. But they are occupied syrian territory. (however Lebanon disagrees about the shebaa farms.)
Everyone is guilty here.
I can play devils advocate, but lets just be honest about it. Noone is standing out in some bright light as innocent.
Apart from the people killed.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I dont like Hizbullah particularly and the reason for that is that they are Rawaafidh but on an objective level I have to say that they appear to be in the right here.
Their incursion was fully justified in light of the Israeli occupation in Shebaa Farms.
And I mentioned before and say again that Hasan Nasrallah is a very clever man. I cant quite make myself become his fan but certainly - grudgingly - he has some respect/admiration from me on a purely objective level.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Tenancy really isn't a big deal in those areas, it's the authority that matters. Many of those Jewish farms have been there since the Ottoman Era and the only thing that's changed is who they pay their taxes to from year to year. While to be sure there are probably settlers from when Israel controlled the territory de jure and de facto, they are still there and simply pay their dues to Syria or Lebanon, one would assume since it is sovereign territory that neither country desires them to leave all that badly.
Iran co-ordinated the capture of two Israeli soldiers to divert attention from its nuclear programme, Israel says.
:roll:
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
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Damn those pesky Iranians...
Iran also tricked Israel into detaining Palestinian cabinet ministers and MPs, knocking out Gaza's power station, bombing families on a beach, bombing bridges, bombing all over Lebanon including villages and apartment blocks, bombing TV stations, bombing a refugee convoy, killing 8 Canadians, killing over 230 Lebanese, knocking out a Lebanese power station, and other dastardly things which Israel wouldn't normaly do.
But the Iranians couldn't have pulled off such a con-trick on their own. They had help from those sly Syrians.
Maybe Santa lent his sledge?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
He's unashamedly anti-semitic in case you havent noticed. is that why you were banned on MPAC and other forums shazan?
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
And the Zionist Israelis adhere to the principles of an eye for an eye based on the Old Testament, nobody associates violence with their religion!
They can go to jahanam!
Call me what you like- your personal opinion on me doesn’t amount an atoms worth. And I was banned from MPAC for constent viloations and not for being anti-Semtic.
This is no war on terrorism. It is the beginnings of a Final Crusade against Islam and Muslims. The laws and plans, military and otherwise, being introduced, are preparations for a wider war (Afghanistan and Iraq is just the beginning). All the targets are Muslim. Our crime is that our faith is Islam.
We are all guilty. We will all be prosecuted, first the "extremists", then the "moderates", then the cultural Muslims, and finally those in name only. They will use one "type" of Muslim to weaken the other, Musharaf and the Northern Alliance against the Taliban, Arafat against Hamas, spiritual and missionary Muslims against Jihadis, Sufis against Wahhabis, Shia against Sunni, moderate Shias against the "mullahs" and so on. They will attack one Muslim country after the other. All this will go on whilst heads of Muslim states side with the Western Crusading Alliance, but not one Western State will side with the Muslims. By the time Muslims wake up to this reality, it will be too late to use their armed forces.
So, that's why you're anti-Semitic?
lol
a bit apacolyptic
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
i'm not talking about zionists (who can be of any religion), i'm talking about jews. :roll:
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Because I said Israelites? I’m also anti your beloved land of your forefathers
Like your Tablighi critique, “go round telling people to convert or go hell”
oh. Are you scared to put your neck out for Israel?
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are you trying to say pakistan? :? just say it straight
that wasnt apocalyptic...how can it be
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
No. Certainly not- but I have been accused and put on trial- lucky for us, mob verdicts is not Allah swt verdicts....
I would have enjoyed refuting your doggy Wahhabi and Tablighi affiliation, but I feel embarrassed replying to hogwash.
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Never do I argue with a man with a desire to hear him say what is wrong, or to expose him and win victory over him. Whenever I face an opponent in debate I silently pray - O Lord, help him so that truth may flow from his heart and on his tongue, and so that if truth is on my side, he may follow me; and if truth be on his side, I may follow him. [Imam Al-Shafi'i]
Let me clarify.
Dust said that you are unashamedly anti-Semitic i.e. you have a hateful prejudice against Jews. She proposed that this is probably why you got banned from the MPAC forum.
You replied that your anti-Semitism was not the reason for being banned from the MPAC forum and that this is not a war on terrorism, this is a crusade, and we're all gonna die.
I was just wondering what the war on terror etc has to do with your reply to Dust that you were not banned from MPAC for being anti-Semitic.
Your use of the word Israelites in a negative context vis-a-vis Israel is not the reason why you are anti-Semitic. It is a symptom of anti-Semitism.
Whaaa???
What's the "land of my forefathers" got to do with it?
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Hence the [i]proposed[/i].
Only joking. Yeah, you're right. Sorry.
lol. yeh, exactly. :roll:
[url=http://www.nkusa.org/]Neturei Karta - Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism[/url]
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
I want to thank everyone who has stood up against antisemitism and distinguished it from considered criticism of Israel.
I do not know if Israel's policy in Lebanon is justified. So far Israel has taken out more than half of Hizballah's rockets and unquestionably given them long-term damage, and even if they survive I daresay there can be no response to Hizbullah but a violent one. Israel has also killed a vast number of civilians. I can only justify continuing this policy if Israel can find a way to avoid civilians. I would like to point out that Hizbullah is deliberately firing from civilian areas in Christian villages. In this regard Israel faces the unique problem of terrorists effectively taking the locals or in Gaza their own countrymen hostage. This fact only partially vindicates Israel, because Israel knows this and goes ahead anyway. So the dilemma is how Israel can have security and fight the enemy, knowing that there are civilians about, without hitting the civilians. I don't have an answer but it is not to disregard the dilemma and it is not to quit the fight so it has to do with accuracy and preparedness to fight another day.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
Dust, they are very strange people. A number of Chasidic groups never supported Israel but very few have done what Neturei Karta have done and stood with the mujahideen. They argue on religious grounds, that the return to Zion is a prophesied messianic event and that mashiach is not here. If you present them as popular or even as potentially agreeable I believe you are mistaken.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
Popular and agreeable Jewish critics of Israel are [url=http://www.chomsky.info/]Noam Chomsky[/url] and [url=http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/]Norman Finkelstein[/url]. [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/184467049X/026-2659913-5350055?v=glan... Chutzpah[/i][/url] is a must read.
The Israeli human rights organisation [url=http://www.btselem.org/English/index.asp]B'Tselem[/url] regularly documents and criticises Israeli violations of international humanitarian law.
This is not a dilemma for Israel.
The IDF regularly resorts to reckless use of force showing callous disregard for human life.
Israel too fires from civilian areas, sometimes from peoples’ homes:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/israel2/israel0402.pdf (PDF)Amnesty International – IN A DARK HOUR: THE USE OF CIVILIANS DURING IDF ARREST OPERATIONS, 2002 http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGMDE150562003
Amnesty International – Israel must end its policy of assassinations, 2003 http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/07/13/lebano13736.htm
Human Rights Watch - Do Not Attack Civilians, July 13 2006 http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/07/20/lebano13779.htm
Human Rights Watch – Israel Must Provide Safe Passage to Relief Convoys, July 20 2006 http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/07/17/isrlpa13756.htm
Human Rights Watch - Investigate Attack on Civilians in Lebanon, July 17 2006
Stuff about Israel wanting to avoid civilian casualties is just spin. They are just as bad as, if not worse than, the terrorists they claim to be fighting.
Btselem do a lot of good. Finkelstein and Chomsky aren't for me.
[size=10]I feel I'm gonna move on back down south
you know where the water tastes like cherry wine[/size]
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