casts
Posted on Thursday, 15th May 2008 @ 4:09pm
salaams,
Do you believe in casts? There are so many. Im a Rahja as my parents tell me. My parents want us be married in the same cast. What difference will it make if they arnt the same cast? we had issues regarding this with my family because the girl my bro wanted to marry was a chaudary.
19 August 2007
11 hours 52 min
This is a question for all those "Muslims" who believe in the caste system.
Are you Hindu? Or are you Muslim?
Does Islam recognise the caste system? No!
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
11 May 2008
6 weeks 5 days
im a muslim
then why do parents create an issue about it?
19 August 2007
11 hours 52 min
Allah ho Alim! Culture, probably. Certain cultural ideologies cloud your judgement and rational thought.
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
31 March 2008
4 hours 4 min
that is a question that i fear to ask me parents coz i kno i am gna get an earful! its a concept that is misunderstood by many parents... they just can't get the fact that ur religion shud be ur culture not wot the society does or wot their forefathers did! i blame lack of proper islamic edu to parents.... its in human psychology to follow and copy ppl ... n being brought up in a particular environment and under particular beliefs means that they adapt to that atmosphere so its a lil difficult to introduce somethin to them that they havnt seen or heard of before...
(i really think khutbahs are the best way of gettin parents' attention n bringin em to the rite path!inshallah)
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10 October 2005
3 hours 30 min
Hell no and anyone that does needs to be shot!
Because some ppl through i dont know lack of education/ignorance think that the way a Muslim behaves ie if they drink do weed must be linked to their caste. The lower the caste the more likely it is that they will not be practicing Muslims. What a load of crap.
Im surprised about your parents having a probs with your bro marrying a chaudary, normally the girls who are of chaudary "caste" are never allowed to marry outside their "caste". Chaudarys, specifically Benz Raj Poots are very cultured ppl.
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
31 March 2008
4 hours 4 min
i was gna say that but thot i btr keep it shut! lol
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10 October 2005
3 hours 30 min
lol. The only reason i said it were coz im a Raj poot myself so im talking from experience plus no one can accuse me of being discriminative (like they always do). If your not a Raj poot then you cant comment. (only jokin feel free
)
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
31 March 2008
4 hours 4 min
im not... thats y i didnt!
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28 October 2005
2 hours 41 min
Its a way to belittle people and make themselves better than others.
Indeed Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet; O People who Believe! Send blessings and abundant salutations upon him. Al ahzab [33,56]
31 March 2008
4 hours 4 min
nicely phrased! its just a system that narrow minded ppl tend to use... they r uncomfortable wiv the world out there especially in today's day and age!
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24 June 2005
1 hour 41 min
The cast system is a load of BS and has no place in Islam. A muslim is a muslim is a muslim.
Its pretty much 100% cultural crap which alot of our Paki/Indi ancestors adopted from the Hindu's.
Walking through life unnoticed
Knowing that no one cares
Too consumed in their masquerade
No one sees me there
And still I'll sings
Till everything burns.
31 March 2008
4 hours 4 min
would being a part of the royal family such as kings/queens.. princes/princess' and etc be classified under the 'caste' system?
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29 April 2008
4 weeks 4 days
very much so
31 March 2008
4 hours 4 min
Who's gna tell Saudi??
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29 April 2008
4 weeks 4 days
that they are not leading with an Islamic model (way of life) ? , their recent dealings with BAE and in my opinion lack of support for Palestine confirms what a disgusting group of people are in charge of the Prophet
's land.
31 March 2008
4 hours 4 min
It has nvr been an islamic role model! its just that we assume it to be coz its significance! But i hav to say it is only after King Fahd that everythin seems ... wrong in saudi!
Prophet's land is Allah's land... and everything on this planet n every where is Allah's alone! if that is wot is happenin then all i can say is ... theres probably wisdom behind it... and we don't see it yet but insha'ALLAH insha'ALLAH its gna be all clear in due time...
Listen its not the place but rather the ppl that r absurd! BUT always remembr Saudi is the Holy place and Allah's gna make sure that nothing happens to it and Plaestine and all there other places for that matter!
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21 November 2006
2 hours 2 min
In terms of royal family, I agree there are many similarities to the Caste System...
But I think it is not quite accurate to say that a royal family is the SAME as the caste system...The Caste system permeates through the whole of society and everyone is effected, and includes class of 'untouchables' who are shunned by society for no other reason than because their parents are from a particular family.
In Saudi there is a clear distinction between 'royal' and 'non-royal', but that is it. There is no real status difference amongst the non-royals.
It could be argued that there is a similar gap between the 'elite' and the 'average person' in every country in the world. It is extremely difficult to move 'up' the social ranks because of the way society is organised: Education, healthcare, the legal system etc are designed to keep society 'in check' (the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor).
The only real difference between Indian Caste system and Western Society is that in India people's social position is clear, and they know that it is extremely difficult to 'move up' a class, whereas in the West we are told that it is a 'meritocracy' and that all of us have the potential to be successful. Maybe this is just an illusion put in place by 'them' to stop 'us' from having a resolution.
/takes of Marxist hat.
2∞&➔
11 May 2006
4 hours 3 min
That reminds me.
Upper Class: eg. king, queen.
Middle Class: eg. barrister, doctor.
Working Class: eg. most people.
31 March 2008
4 hours 4 min
^^but thats class not caste!
I get wot ur sayin bros but im not sure where im stuck!
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Remember peeps to not mix cast/tribes and racism.
The quran says that people have tribes so that they may be known. There is nothing wrong in using it as recognition. The prophet
was from the Banu Hashim, who were a part of the Quraysh.
Casts are only wrong when used as a form of racism.
19 August 2007
11 hours 52 min
Not really. Right sorry if you don't know what I'm on about.
Upper class: peers, royals and proper posh people
Middle Class: A- doctors, lawyers etc
B- Teachers, Inspectors etc
C2(I would say middle class)- Aeronautical Engineers etc
Working Class: C1- Routine white collar work
D- Semi-skilled/manual
E- Un-skilled
It's a crude system of working it out yeah but it's the official one.
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
31 March 2008
4 hours 4 min
ive sat before! theres a whole booklet wiv alot more including the BAND and the CLASS depending on ur background... i think dat was related to work permit visas... or something like dat!
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i no what u mean, i am having problems at my house because of "caste" my family do not wish to get me married out of caste because they say it will bring shame in the family. i am having a hard time to get them to understand that caste doesnt exist in islam bt they do not listen. i have no idea in what to do
11 May 2006
4 hours 3 min
Mine was more Sociology.
19 August 2007
11 hours 52 min
OK, firstly are you a guy or a girl?
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
i am a girl
19 August 2007
11 hours 52 min
OK, that probably makes the situation a little harder. Do you have brothers or sisters? They can be a good tool and support especially brothers who support you.
I can't give you a full thesis on what to do, or else we'll be here for 30 years and I'll fail my exams!
But what I can say is, be firm but respectful. Make it clear that you don't believe in the caste system, and there's more to marriage and life than false honour. And marrying someone who's slighlty poorer or different from you isn't going to shame anyone but narrow minded people.
Obviously that's easier said than done, mate, but Inshallah with a bit of dua and effort we'll get there!
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
my brothers and sisters are not on my side. i am the only 1 who is trying to get my parents to understand. all they say is that it will bring shame in family and we cant go to their house and neither they can come to our house, its best to get married in the family
24 June 2005
1 hour 41 min
If there's such strong opposition from your family, perhaps it would be wise to let it drop. Family support in a marriage are very important, especially when things arent working out. Besides we are taught to respect and obey our parents even when we know what they are in the wrong. The most we can do is try and explain it to them and if they dont get it... then let it go. Is it really worth upsettng your entire family over?
Walking through life unnoticed
Knowing that no one cares
Too consumed in their masquerade
No one sees me there
And still I'll sings
Till everything burns.
19 August 2007
11 hours 52 min
Yeah, family support in marriage is important but with obedience comes limits and we can't let ANYONE, and I'm sorry but that includes are parents, walk all over us or treat us like dirt.
Stress, mate, what you can do is hold firm to the idea that you don't accept the caste system, without trying to imply that you want to marry outside of the "caste".
It sucks, I know, but you have to hold on, even if it SEEMS as though you condone the caste system. Maybe, Inshallah you're family will one day see your view and accept it. But for now work with what you have which is refusing to accept the caste system, I mean refuse to marry someone just because they're from your caste. That's the first step. And hopefully one day this caste system will be shattered.
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.