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Don't goths, and trannies traumatise your kids aswell, and ppl who walk around with piercings in every orifice you can think of? i'm sure kids are frightened of those ppl too, but i don't hear these liberals saying lets ban them all, it's let's ban the burqas!
ust speak the plain truth, at least then you'll be respected. You don't like the niqab coz you don't understand it, and even if you understood it plain and simple you wouldn't like it coz you don't want to see anyone in your part of the world wearing it.
You said it yourself in not so many words you'd prefer women to wear jeans and slacks. Well reality check whether you like it or not this is a multicultural society different ethnic minorities, and faith groups have their own dress codes, foods, languages, festivals and other customs if you don't like it, tough.
p.s im sure your child was scared but if you had the intelligence to explain why the lady wore that garment your childs fear would have been alleviated. But you "chose" to allow your child to harbour this "unnecessary" fear thus he/she never left your side for the rest of the shopping trip. I'm sure that child is still afraid of niqabis and will be into adulthood and consequently he/she could develop an irrational sort of hatred towards these ppl.
If you can explain sex, homosexuality, trannies, goths and all sorts of oddities to your child why not niqabies???? :roll:
Also trauma is a medical term, if your child was suffering from serious trauma you would have taken him/her to ER not continue shopping stop exaggerating :roll: :roll:
The media is too PC to mention muslims but minority groups include muslims. It isn't just muslims i'm talking about.
What is religious hatred,, a lot of brits think it's an attempt to stop constructive critisizm of islam. They can't even draw a cartoon of mohammed without you all getting mad. You might as well get used to it because it's going to happen and has happened since the riots.Maybe not in britann but somewhere.
So taxpayers' money was spent on rebuilding some toilets. Taxpayers' money is not spent solely to "appease" Muslims. It is a given that minority groups have to be catered for and be made to feel a part of society. In this respect taxpayers' money is spent all the time on many different minority groups - not just Muslims. That's policy based on Western liberal values of multiculturalism and pluralism not "Dhimmitude".
Besides, taxpayers' money is spent in questionable ways all the time. How much do you think one bomb costs? Are you in a huff and puff about that?
Ofcourse minority groups include Muslims. They also include Jews, Hindus, Buddists, blacks, gays and lesbians, the disabled, national minorities, linguistic minorities, transvestites, etc. I'm sure the gov would want to encourage many of these groups to visit museums and have the museums cater for them.
When has the media not mentioned Muslims? They are in the news all the time. Just have a look at another thread on here - Muslims were mentioned ad nuseum when two Muslims were suspected of having some sort of chemical device at their home but no mention was given of two non-Muslims who actually had a massive stash of chemicals and delivery systems at their home.
Again, how many people have been prosecuted under the religious hatred law? I'm sure many people in the UK have seen cartoons ridiculing the Prophet and have joined in, but has anyone been prosecuted?
When did "we all" go mad?
People have been drawing the Prophet for many many years. Sometimes in an offensive context sometimes not. The Danish cartoons issue was a "special case" in which legitimate complaint was ignored allowing hot-heads to "prevail".
BTW since when did cartoons become "constructive criticism"?
have u seen the sites about answering christainity?
these sites emphasise nut cases muslims commonly ignore
these sites r usually 99% of the tym incorrect
ROFL!
good point yash....
[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]
[b][color=indigo]Any1 watch Islam Channel???
Jack Straw was being interviewed by Bhashart Ali, anyone catch the interview??? I Missed it![/color][/b]
mark this teacher's students are majority muslim, many of their mothers wear the niqab, so i doubt they would be 'terrified' and 'traumatised' by the veil. :roll:
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
[color=indigo][b]Why dont u listen to the interviewed conductd by the sister if you havnt already.[/b][/color]
yea:
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_6050000/newsid_60... NEWS LINK[/url]
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
She should probably work at an islamic school. Over here that would not be allowed. It doesn't have to do with just islam but all religious stuff in the schools.
The requirement to wear a veil is in the quran???????? IS IT?? WHERE????
live and let live!!!!!!!
www.sky.com/news
have you seen the comments on here??
go to "have your say" and read up!
live and let live!!!!!!!
What is with the religious dress code freakout in Europe... Hijabs, Crucifixes - is this some bizarre permutation of the separation of Church and State or something?
Ya know, in a country where "Boho" is considered fashionable I would be curious what the response would be if a Muslim woman wore a Hijab under (ostensibly) fashion-only reasons.
[b][color=indigo]Whats the point??
I think everyone is well aware of what the british public think about the Niqaab[/color][/b].
It is all fearmongering mixed with prejudice and surprisingly, political correctness.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
lol what do you mean by 'over here'?
[b]edit:[/b] i see you are from kansas, so forget the above Q, your comment makes sense now.
whats wrong with students or teachers manifesting their religious beliefs in school for goodness sake? i don't see the problem as long as they're not imposing it on others.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
You can wear outward religious symbols, first amendment protects it. You may not lead a class in prayer (which is ridiculous) or teach about your religion unless it is part of the curriculum though.
I don't think the ACLU has completely eroded our right to religious expression just yet.
He's from Kansas. You know, Wheat Fields, "Tornaders," Dorothy, Toto, super flatness et cetera. He's incorrect about the law though, you may wear a hijab, crucifix or a gold plated triangle of completeness should you desire, it is protected by the First Amendment.
In fact government employees that mess with you for trying to wear your religious symbols and clothing are subject to [url=http://www.prohijab.net/english/USA-hijab-news4.htm]lawsuits[/url].
yea just noticed. i clearly haven't been on the forum for a while, thats probably a good thing though lol.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
[b][color=indigo]I think where all aware of what people are saying about the niqaab thankyou.[/color][/b]
I don't know if or how many people have been prosecuted under that law but people have been prosecuted for that. During the riots news papers in france were shut down for drawing mohammed.. The whole cartoon jihad made no sense and should not have happened or the cartoons that started it. There were three more that were added by the danish imam and brought to the middle east to get a big reaction. This whole thing should have beenn handledd in denmark.
Britain doesn't have a separation of church and state. America does.
uff why does there always has to be a pain inthe neck of a person on ths forum. I come bak to visit the forum and on every topic, ders just arguments. i dnt knw who u are stmark but if u want to express how much u hate the veil or islam or whatever u think ur tring to achieve tihs isnt the forum to do it in.
the muslim brothers and sisters on the forum are nt goin to change their religious values and faith in the deen to live their life in ignorance like non-beleivers.
anywayz i knw i havent been posting lately, sorry everyone, i've just been so busy...
but just to let u knw, i totally thought what jack straw said was stupid, HE just made such a pointless remark. I had a lot of people coming up to me u knw after he made that comment and they were asking me how i felt about it and stuff. and i just said to strip us muslim women of our hijaab/niqaab is the equivelant to what u would feel walkin round topless.
i hate all this u knw, media is just creating all the non-believers to just misjudge us, i really hate it.
There are very few practising muslims at my college and i do feel its a struggle. people are just gettin so narrow minded these days...
anway take care everyone and do lots of dua for me in this holy month....
smile and be happy!!!
It's not a religious symbol according to an egyptian cleric and among other things it is discrimination against the deaf and hard of hearing who have to read lips to understand what is being said.
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Religion&loid=8.0.3496...
Cairo, 13 Oct. (AKI) - The niqab, a Muslim headdress that leaves only the eyes exposed, is not a religious object, Egypt's religion minister said Friday, entering the debate started by British ex-minister Jack Straw, who said he asked Muslim women visiting him to show their faces to facilitate dialogue. "Nor is the niqab a duty deriving from the Sharia" added Mohammad Hamdi Zaqzouq. "I know I will be criticised for my words but I think some Muslims are committing a fundamental error, focusing on external and superficial aspects, without exploring more relevant themes, and hence providing a distorted image of Islam" he said.
Straw last month triggered debate by inviting Muslim women in Britain to leave at home their veils, saying he would like to see their faces, "understand the expression of his constituents".
"I don't think he made an offensive request, especially as the Sharia requires that women cover their heads but not that they hide behind a mantle which makes them irrecognisable" Zaqzouq said.
Even if there was no explicit reference Zaqzouq's comments come one day after protests at Cairo University, following the decision by the president Abdel Hay Ebeid to ban female students from wearing the full veil in the dormitories of the institute, for security reasons.
Even the top theological authority of Al-Azhar University, the highest seat of Sunni learning, Sheikh Sayed Al Tantawi, has spoken out and accepted the decision explaining that as long as the univeristy obliges the female students to take off the niqab and not the headscarf they are not infringing the tenets of Islam.
In his speech, Zaqzouq explained the bill that his ministry had presented to the government, and which forbids demonstrations in mosques because they violate the sanctity of the place of worship. "The mosques are not a place for politics and it is unacceptable that imams discuss these issues in their preaching" he added.
I think that pretty much explains his other views.
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