Straw asks Muslim women for veil rethink

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"TEX" wrote:
if u actually closely read my posts u wud see i asked ppl to try and reason with him...

what other changes do u think they wud make?

I don't know the situation but I think I think they want thrir country back. They feel like the government is run by dhimmis..

whats "dhimmis"??

FYI they control us

we dont control them

muslims are like a few percent of the population

many are "white" who have converted...

i know its sad that christianity is dead in england Cray 2 but life is such a b-itch.

but i aint sure wot u mean by `get thier country back`

Britain is a mult-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-racial, multi-religios country and we love living here and the over-whelming majority abide by the law of the land....

America is an absolout sh*t hole, the racism/prejadice is shocking :shock: , and only recently britain has started to become like that :?

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

Mark u have been reading too many conspiracy theories about muslims trying to control the world,

u poor thing

they is phycologically damaging,

keep away from them bro....

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

:shock:

To be beautiful is to expect nothing in return.

wot r u shocked at snoops?

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

salaamz.............like the ED said!!!!!!!!!!! The niqaab is not good in the uk,,,,,,,,BUT people have the right to wear wot they want!!! I agree 100%!!! BUT!!!! OUR PRIORITY SHOULD BE TO SPREAD THE GOOD WORD OF ISLAM!!! Not argue over wheather we should or should not be allowed to wear the niqaab!! I wear a head scarf and make sure i'm dressed modestly.........and I never get any dirty looks,,,,,,,,,yet I'm within my religion. THAT IS ENOUGH FOR ME!!! like I said before........best of both worlds....

live and let live!!!!!!!

"TEX" wrote:
excuse me m8 but being an ethical person comes before my religion, however my relgion is mostly ethical...

duz ur god really tell u to kill muslims?

in da bible it said idol worshippers should be killed, ironically beleiving god is 3 is still monthiesm :roll: ,LOL

I'm sorry but Nudists and Niqabis DO NOT harm others

u cant compare that to murder :shock:

there must be something wrong with u if u think it is a fair comparison

Ok some muslim cab drivers refuse to give blind men with dogs or people carrying alchohol a ride, should their religion be respected or should they be required to give them a ride? Most of those drivers in that cab co are muslim so it might go out of business but that is descrimination against the handicapped. That's not hypothetical either that really happened.

"stmark" wrote:
Ok some muslim cab drivers refuse to give blind men with dogs or people carrying alchohol a ride...

They must all be like that!

:shock:

"TEX" wrote:
wot r u shocked at snoops?

:shock: duno

To be beautiful is to expect nothing in return.

"saima786" wrote:
BUT people have the right to wear wot they want!!! I agree 100%!!!

I'm glad we got that out of the way. :roll:

[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]

Mark u seem like a very steriotypical guy

im a muslim and i LOVE dogs

i wanted to have a dog, but my mummy sed we already have plenty of dogs and bi-tches in the house.

in islam blind ppl are allowed to keep guide dogs

as for drunk passengers.... from the brothers i have spoken to they said that they had too many bad experinces with drunk ppl urinating in the cab so they dont let them in, and many drunks dont pay up, and they is abusive and racist when they is drunk.

I find it hilarious how u assume most cab drivers are muslims Lol

brother ur religion is full of BS, the bible is full of BS, but i dont go round discriminating Christians.

Dude answer me this questoin:

Is it ok for BOTH men and women to walk round topless?

You would be a sexist pig if u thought it was ok for men and not for women.

Remember there are 40 mainstream muslim sects (and hundreds of not mainstream ones), we differ in beleifs, u can't accuse us all of these "crimes".

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

Judda those remarks you made about christianity are down right ignorant. You maybe frustrated/annoyed with stmark's remarks but that doesn't mean you bring his faith into it, he is an ignorant person who is full of sterotypical views which I am sure his religion didnt teach him to do that Dave being a good example of that. (being a good example of a Christian - where is he btw?!)

There are ways of putting your views across and calling ppl Klu Klux Klan is most defo wrong, its disgusting to say the least.

"Angel" wrote:
Judda

its TEX

or Junaid

under the username "Judda" i left behind too many bad feelings

will u let me move on??

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those remarks you made about christianity are down right ignorant.

not at all, i have read the bible, studies christian history and had many christian friends (notice that i said "had" and not "have")

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You maybe frustrated/annoyed with stmark's remarks but that doesn't mean you bring his faith into it,

whats with the double standereds?

he can't tolerate my religion but i have to tolerate his?

when his is hardly any "better"?

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he is an ignorant person who is full of sterotypical views

he's brainwashes by islamophobic propaganda

its not really his fault

`we` need to teach him to be more tolerent

im sure he is genuinly a nice guy but we have just seen his sinister side

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which I am sure his religion didnt teach him to do that Dave being a good example of that. (being a good example of a Christian - where is he btw?!)

he's only a christian because of Anette

but he's a `cold blooded murderer`

not `litrally`

but by being completely supportive to the sh*t his country does he is no better christian then bush

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There are ways of putting your views across and calling ppl Klu Klux Klan is most defo wrong, its disgusting to say the least.

absoloutly!

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

"stmark" wrote:

I don't just mean at just at the airport but in general. If a kkk member came up to you in his white sherets a hat wouldn't you feel insecure around him? Why would you feel inseccure? People have a right to feel secure. It's not like they're asking muslims to wear bikinis and halter tops they just want to be able to see their faces aI don't see what the big deal about it is.

I would only feel insecure around him because he was a member of the Klu Klux Klan.

I would not feel insecure around him because of what he was wearing. That would be ridiculous. Yeah I might think it a little strange, but it wouldn't make me feel insecure in any way.

"stmark" wrote:
I'm from america and I don't know how the british mind thinks but I imagine if they think their security is threatened your religion will become irrelevant.
The lady looks similar to a kkk member when she dresses like that. I'm sorry for the comparison but they do. Why can't they wear regular slacks or jeans and a long sleaved blouse? They are still muslims and it shouldn't
take away from their muslimness.

Exactly, you don't live in this country so how can you ask the above question.

Let me tell you, Muslim girls here in the UK [i]do[/i] wear jeans with long sleeved blouses and dresses.

You are a perfect example of how dangerous the media can be. You dont live here, but you have made assumptions about Muslims in the UK on the basis of a few news reports. You do not need me to tell you to not believe everything you read.

How many Muslim girls, say out of a 100, do you think wear the niqab in the UK?

I would also like to ask you, if you dont mind, what your views are on the Amish community? And what are your views on the recent school shooting?

"TEX" wrote:
Mark u have been reading too many conspiracy theories about muslims trying to control the world,

u poor thing

they is phycologically damaging,

keep away from them bro....

It's in the koran.

"stmark" wrote:
"TEX" wrote:
Mark u have been reading too many conspiracy theories about muslims trying to control the world,

u poor thing

they is phycologically damaging,

keep away from them bro....

It's in the koran.

yeah right :roll:

provide the verse for me then

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

"Angel" wrote:
What's in the Quran?

he thinks the quran tells us to fight to have shariah implemented in the world

the ONLY time the quran tells us to fight is to fight OPPRESSION and to practice our religion in peace - kinda ironic since theres no religios freedom in sum muslim countries

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

"TEX" wrote:
whats "dhimmis"??

FYI they control us

we dont control them

muslims are like a few percent of the population

many are "white" who have converted...

i know its sad that christianity is dead in england Cray 2 but life is such a b-itch.

but i aint sure wot u mean by `get thier country back`

Britain is a mult-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-racial, multi-religios country and we love living here and the over-whelming majority abide by the law of the land....

America is an absolout sh*t hole, the racism/prejadice is shocking :shock: , and only recently britain has started to become like that :?

Dhimmis are muslim second class citizens who pay jizya, like christians and jews in islamland. The government has been catering to muslims to the point of discriminating against it's own people and I just think they're not going to do that anymore. I don't know what's going to happen but something will and I think there will be more deportations of islamic radicals.

heard ur self lately Mark?

any idea how pig ignorent u sound??

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

brother please provide the quranic verse that accuses us of trying to take over the world??

if u dont provide i will see it as nothing but slander

and if possible can u also provide the name of the translator

god bless

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

"Beast" wrote:
"stmark" wrote:
Ok some muslim cab drivers refuse to give blind men with dogs or people carrying alchohol a ride...

They must all be like that!

:shock:

I don't think many are like but that co was about 3/4 muslims and one blind person was stranded because the driver wouldn't pick her up and about 500 blind people filed descrimination complaints against that company.

a christian offended me by claiming white ppl are superior coz jesus was white...

Perhaps ur all like that! :shock:

[size=7]Dave told me Jesus was just as white as Muhammad...[/size]

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

"TEX" wrote:
Mark u seem like a very steriotypical guy

im a muslim and i LOVE dogs

i wanted to have a dog, but my mummy sed we already have plenty of dogs and bi-tches in the house.

in islam blind ppl are allowed to keep guide dogs

as for drunk passengers.... from the brothers i have spoken to they said that they had too many bad experinces with drunk ppl urinating in the cab so they dont let them in, and many drunks dont pay up, and they is abusive and racist when they is drunk.

I find it hilarious how u assume most cab drivers are muslims Lol

".

No I assume most muslims don't know how to drive Lol
I'm not assuming anything but if the article was correct about 3/4 of this one cab co were muslim cab drivers who didn't want to pick up people with dogs. It's not unislamic to do that but they thought it was so they wouldn't pick them up. The blind oeople had to waut for another cab and that doesn't really hurt them but it is descrimination. The veil is scary to a lot of brits and it is not unislamic not to wear it so why wear it in public? You can wear it at your mosque or religious event but why wear it all the time?

"stmark" wrote:

No I assume most muslims don't know how to drive Lol

LOL if u saw ma boys on EID u wud know that they cant drive LOOOL

its just wiggling on da raod eenit man eenit...

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I'm not assuming anything but if the article was correct about 3/4 of this one cab co were muslim cab drivers who didn't want to pick up people with dogs.

u can use statistic to manipulate ANYTHING

how many muslims did they ask?

did they have a genuine phobia of dogs? (admin is scared of poodles)

were they fearful incase the animal poops in the cab?

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It's not unislamic to do that but they thought it was so they wouldn't pick them up. The blind oeople had to waut for another cab and that doesn't really hurt them but it is descrimination.

to the dogs or the ppl?

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The veil is scary to a lot of brits and it is not unislamic not to wear it so why wear it in public? You can wear it at your mosque or religious event but why wear it all the time?

Many muslim women are conditioned to beleive that men cannot control themselves, so they grow up paranoid, so they wear the veil to `protect` them selves.

[The saying about the flower is poplular, but at least u can see the flower!]

then there are the women that *might* be forced

then there are women who are so ugly people have asked them to cover there faces

then those that are so pretty they have been asked to cover there face

then there are those that believe that is is compulsary and decreed by allah

and there are those shy types that like to be behind a barrier

also many muslims have created a culture where showing the body is considered shameful hence the saying `naked with clothes on` lol that saying cracks me up everytime Lol what an oxymoron

I hope that helps

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

"Angel" wrote:
Judda those remarks you made about christianity are down right ignorant. You maybe frustrated/annoyed with stmark's remarks but that doesn't mean you bring his faith into it, he is an ignorant person who is full of sterotypical views which I am sure his religion didnt teach him to do that Dave being a good example of that. (being a good example of a Christian - where is he btw?!)

There are ways of putting your views across and calling ppl Klu Klux Klan is most defo wrong, its disgusting to say the least.

I didn't call anybody ku klux klan, I was talking about the dress and that was just a comparison. I would imagine that a lot of brits are just as offended bu the veils as you are to me comparing it to the ghost costumes of the kkk.

i know ur a bit stupid (and america is officaly the fattest, dum.best and most hated nation in the world- lol u certianly fufill 2 of the 3 catogries, because i cant see u so i cant decide on the fat part lol, but wid all da extra large coke and burgers u prolly fufill that, unless u live on rabbit food that is)

But there is a REASON we are offended that u r comparing it to the KKK. The tiny minority of women that where it where it because of the reason i have mentioned. The reason the KKK wore the white ghost costumes was to define who they were and the reason it was white was to indicate that white skined ppl r superior, veiled women dont where veil for that...

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

"Imaani" wrote:
"stmark" wrote:

I don't just mean at just at the airport but in general. If a kkk member came up to you in his white sherets a hat wouldn't you feel insecure around him? Why would you feel inseccure? People have a right to feel secure. It's not like they're asking muslims to wear bikinis and halter tops they just want to be able to see their faces aI don't see what the big deal about it is.

I would only feel insecure around him because he was a member of the Klu Klux Klan.

I would not feel insecure around him because of what he was wearing. That would be ridiculous. Yeah I might think it a little strange, but it wouldn't make me feel insecure in any way.

You've been brainwashed by the media. The kkk is a nice peaceful group, you just have to get to know them. They realy are a religion of peace. :roll:
You would feel insecure around them but if they didn't have that costume on you weouldn't feel insecure, same with the veil if they don't wear it the brits aren't likely to feel insecure. Tolerance has limits and there's a limit to what will be tolerated.

"stmark" wrote:
You've been brainwashed by the media. The kkk is a nice peaceful group, you just have to get to know them. They realy are a religion of peace. :roll:

u have quite clearly made ur up mind about muslims

spewing ur hate on a muslim forum achieves nothing

so do one will ya!

go back to studying the stories in the bible...

bye!

[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]

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