Anyone else going to ExpoIslamia this weekend?

yeah me!!!!

Inshallah i will be there, got ticket and coach confirmed

Anyone going to Birmingham on Saturday? Shaykh Hamza Yusuf is doing a speech, in a free all day event i believe

Ive got my place on a coach confirmed, but as i have a guest i wont be going unless i can get another seat, Inshallah hope to be there....Shaykh Hamza Yusuf.....free....how can you not!!!

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

yeah me!!!!

Inshallah i will be there, got ticket and coach confirmed

Anyone going to Birmingham on Saturday? Shaykh Hamza Yusuf is doing a speech, in a free all day event i believe

Ive got my place on a coach confirmed, but as i have a guest i wont be going unless i can get another seat, Inshallah hope to be there....Shaykh Hamza Yusuf.....free....how can you not!!!

Wherabouts and what's the topic? I have family going up that way this weekend, so I'll mention it to them

ermmmmmmmm....not sure!!!

i'll find out from my brother, but to tell the truth i dont really care...jus wanna be there!

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

ermmmmmmmm....not sure!!!

i'll find out from my brother, but to tell the truth i dont really care...jus wanna be there!

My brothers' have been to a few of his talks... always beautiful, always inspiring. Would you mind PM'ing me when you know? Then I can pick it up at work and pass the message on? Cheers

[size=18]Just Enough Religion to Hate: A Quranic reflection on life in the West[/size]
[b]
Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

Shaykh Ahmed Babikr As-Sudani

Nasheeds from Shaam[/b]

Saturday 17th September 2005

2pm Start (after Dhuhr salah)

Central Jamia Ghamkol Sharif

Golden Hillock Road

Small Heath

Birmingham B10

Click below for map.

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=409678&Y=285210&A=Y&Z=1

Email: info@amalpress.com

Info: 0786 671 6122

Everyone Welcome

Please refrain from bringing any recording equipment.

As much as I would like to go and hear him speak, I been to 3 events of his where I had to pay too get in and it been rammed, god know how they will be able to cope with a free event of his. I think that you can only really do a free event with him if you don't publise it and they got Shaam there as well.

I was meant to be going to the Expo event as well, but it look unlikely now, but that Ziadullah Khan is a brillant speaker, the best for the youth IMO.

SHAAM THERE? :shock:

im gona train it at half 6 in the mornin now jus to get an early seat...best believe im there!

Inshallah

Salam

Do anyof you know about the BBC h2g2 forums ?

Ofcourse, not as good as Revival, but nonetheless still very inersting.

Some non muslim members on that forum were spreading a bit of untrue statements about God. I thought I should get in there and give them my peace of 44 Magnum.

One has to navigate on the links in order to find the interesting bits.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/C72

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/C74

Omrow

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"irfghan" wrote:

[size=18]Just Enough Religion to Hate: A Quranic reflection on life in the West[/size]
[b]
Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

Shaykh Ahmed Babikr As-Sudani

Nasheeds from Shaam[/b]

Saturday 17th September 2005

2pm Start (after Dhuhr salah)

Central Jamia Ghamkol Sharif

Golden Hillock Road

Small Heath

Birmingham B10

Click below for map.

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=409678&Y=285210&A=Y&Z=1

Email: info@amalpress.com

Info: 0786 671 6122

Everyone Welcome

Please refrain from bringing any recording equipment.

Jazzak Allahu Khair

I've passed this on to a couple of friends

Incidentally, and completely off topic - which makes sense as this is OFF TOPIC, so technically I'm ON TOPIC - My very first address when I was a nipper, apart from in heaven, was at Golden Hillock Road in Small Heath

a lot of our clients at the solicitors office were from Small Heath in Birmingham.....im presuming its a majority Pakistani/Asian area?

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

a lot of our clients at the solicitors office were from Small Heath in Birmingham.....im presuming its a majority Pakistani/Asian area?

Damn straight.

and the other 50% clients from BD1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and most common Manningham Lane

Biormingham, Bradford and Oldham - Pakistan in UK

Salam

I dont know why Europeans hate Americans so much.

There is a lot of anti-Americanism among the general public. Particularly the Left has made ritual scorning of anything American part of its meetings.

BBC accused of Bush bashing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4257190.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/newsid_4220000/newsid_4226200/42...

Omrow

I did not find any bashing as such by the BBC.

They reported it exactly as they report any other disaster.

Now if this reortng was 'bashing' it means all reporting of disasters previously has been 'bashing' aswell.

It could just be that because US is a first worldd country, the normal bias has been exposed, that was hidden due to the viewers preconceptions of third world countries.

Admin locked the thread this was bieng discussed on so i thawt i'd post it here...

A prophet (Nabi) is a human bieng to whom Allah SWT has revealed a criterion of dishciplinary law (Shari'ah) but whom He did not ask to deliver a message.

A messenger (rasul) is a human bieng to whom Allah SWT has revealed the disciplinary law as a prophet, but on top of that, sent him to deliver the message; thus he is both a prophet and a messenger.

Prophets, as they have been descrived in the sayings of Ibn 'Abbas (RA) in the work of commentary Ruh Al-bayan, specifically of the chapter of Quran entitled Surah Al-'Araaf, it is stated that the prophets number about 124,000, and the prophet-messengers are twenty-five. Further, Imam Ahmad narrated that Abi Dharr al-Ghifari (RA) said, "Oh Messenger of Allah, who was the first prophet?" He (SAW) said, "Adam".....and I asked, "Oh Messenger of Allah, how many are there messengers?" He said "310 and a few more".

And in another narration of Imam Ahmed, from the narration of Abi Umaama, Abu Dharr asked, "Oh Messenger of Allah, how many are there prophets?" He said, "120,000 and between them 315 messengers."

The Holy Quran mentions twenty-five of these messengers, namely;
Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ishma'il, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Zacharia, John (the Baptist), Idris, Jonah, Hud, Shu'ayb, Salih, Lot, Ilyas, Ilya'sa, Dhul-Khifli, Jesus and Sayyidina Muhammed, Peace be upon them all. The others are prophets who recieved divine revalation but who were not ordered to deliver it to anyone; it was for them. For example, all Jacob's sons were prophets, but Joseph was the only messenger from among them.

Interesting random connection I made in one of my Conlaw classes today:

This is taken from the opinion of Justice Chase in Ware v. Hylton:

"The purposes for which men enter into a society will determine the nature and terms of the social compact; and as they are the foundation of the ligislative power, they will decide what are the proper objecs of it. The nature and ends of legislative power will limit the exercise of it. [i]This fundamental principle flows from the very nature of our free republican governments, that no mn should be compelled to do what the laws do not require, nor to refrain from acts which the laws permit[/i]"

I found a quote from Muhammad that come very similar to the idea Justice Chase outlines in that last sentence:

"The Prophet replied “Indeed, they forbade them what is permissible and permitted what is forbidden, so they obeyed them and that is their worship of them”."

Given that quote is totally out of context (it was a conversation between a Christian and Muhammad on the nature of the clergy).

Ignoring momentarily that Justice Chase was referring to those fundamental principles outlined in the Constitution - and Muhammad was referring to those fundamental principles outlined in the Qur'an; doesn't it seem to indicate that Islam - or at least Muhammad's personal inclinations were on the side of limited government?

Another question unrelated to the first - where in the Qur'an does it specifically state that Ishmael is the son offered in sacrifice by Abraham. Most muslims I talk to seem quite adamant about this point, however from what i've read in the Qur'an it does not specifically say whether it is Isaac or Ishmael.

"Constantine" wrote:

Another question unrelated to the first - where in the Qur'an does it specifically state that Ishmael is the son offered in sacrifice by Abraham. Most muslims I talk to seem quite adamant about this point, however from what i've read in the Qur'an it does not specifically say whether it is Isaac or Ishmael.

it was Ismail.

God never actually told him to kill his son.

[37:102] When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I see in a dream that I am sacrificing you. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, GOD willing, patient."
[37:103] They both submitted, and he put his forehead down (to sacrifice him).
[37:104] We called him: "O Abraham.
[37:105] "You have believed the dream." We thus reward the righteous.
[37:106] That was an exacting test indeed.
[37:107] We ransomed (Ismail) by substituting an animal sacrifice.
[37:108] And we preserved his history for subsequent generations.
[37:109] Peace be upon Abraham.
[37:110] We thus reward the righteous.
[37:111] He is one of our believing servants.

The dream was from satan.

"We have not send before you a messenger nor a prophet without having the devil interfere with his wishes. But God nullifies what the devil has done, and God perfects His revelation. God is, Omniscient, Most Wise." (22:52)

Murder his a gross sin and god does not violate his own laws.

most muslims would disagree with me tho

"Constantine" wrote:

Another question unrelated to the first - where in the Qur'an does it specifically state that Ishmael is the son offered in sacrifice by Abraham. Most muslims I talk to seem quite adamant about this point, however from what i've read in the Qur'an it does not specifically say whether it is Isaac or Ishmael.

I heard that it was Prophet Ismail.

I don't know if the Qur'an says his name or not...but maybe Hadiths confirm that it was him.

And Judda the dreams of the Prophets are always true. Their dreams are often a form of revelation.

Can anybody find a Hadith that mentions it`s Ishmael?

And a new question - muslims appear preoccupied with the idea of corruption in religion. This (I gather) derives from Muhammad often talking about how innovations had corrupted Christianity and Judaism beyond all recognition. Muhammad claimed to be the last prophet and to complete your deen, does it follow then (and do muslims believe) that islam is fundamentally incorruptable?

At [i]least[/i] with respect to the major points of islam.

The original sources of Islamic law are available for all to see.

Unlike the bible, which is a translaton of a translatin of a translation... of a translation of... of an original written approx 80 years after the Passing away of Isa (as). (This is not a dig, but every translation can lose some value, and can be corrupted by a possible angle taken by the translator).

There is a copy of the quran with blood stains of hadhrat Uthman. It is scientifically provable that he quran has not changed over the centuries.

However how the sources are used can be different over time.

"Admin" wrote:

The original sources of Islamic law are available for all to see.

Unlike the bible, which is a translaton of a translatin of a translation... of a translation of... of an original written approx 80 years after the Passing away of Isa (as). (This is not a dig, but every translation can lose some value, and can be corrupted by a possible angle taken by the translator).

There is a copy of the quran with blood stains of hadhrat Uthman. It is scientifically provable that he quran has not changed over the centuries.

However how the sources are used can be different over time.

Well needless to say I think Muhammad's accusations against the bible are way overstated, there is a recognized point in that we need a more historic translation of the bible. Actually there has been a real effort of late to bring the bible closer to it's original form - so there have been interesting new translations from the greek bible (considered the most accurate in use) and of course everyone wants access to the dead sea scrolls which are the most accurate.

Dead sea scrolls continued ion new topic:

http://www.therevival.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=520

I just noticed this - does Zawahiri have a scar in the middle of his forehead from praying?

[img]http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WORLD/meast/09/19/zawahiri/story.zawahiri.al...

Sadat had a similar mark

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

Admin locked the thread this was bieng discussed on so i thawt i'd post it here...

A prophet (Nabi) is a human bieng to whom Allah SWT has revealed a criterion of dishciplinary law (Shari'ah) but whom He did not ask to deliver a message.

A messenger (rasul) is a human bieng to whom Allah SWT has revealed the disciplinary law as a prophet, but on top of that, sent him to deliver the message; thus he is both a prophet and a messenger.

Prophets, as they have been descrived in the sayings of Ibn 'Abbas (RA) in the work of commentary Ruh Al-bayan, specifically of the chapter of Quran entitled Surah Al-'Araaf, it is stated that the prophets number about 124,000, and the prophet-messengers are twenty-five. Further, Imam Ahmad narrated that Abi Dharr al-Ghifari (RA) said, "Oh Messenger of Allah, who was the first prophet?" He (SAW) said, "Adam".....and I asked, "Oh Messenger of Allah, how many are there messengers?" He said "310 and a few more".

And in another narration of Imam Ahmed, from the narration of Abi Umaama, Abu Dharr asked, "Oh Messenger of Allah, how many are there prophets?" He said, "120,000 and between them 315 messengers."

The Holy Quran mentions twenty-five of these messengers, namely;
Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ishma'il, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Zacharia, John (the Baptist), Idris, Jonah, Hud, Shu'ayb, Salih, Lot, Ilyas, Ilya'sa, Dhul-Khifli, Jesus and Sayyidina Muhammed, Peace be upon them all. The others are prophets who recieved divine revalation but who were not ordered to deliver it to anyone; it was for them. For example, all Jacob's sons were prophets, but Joseph was the only messenger from among them.

Thanks Darth - that's the most definitive answer i've seen, pretty much settles the issue as far as i'm concerned

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

it is stated that the prophets number about 124,000, and the prophet-messengers are twenty-five.

Abi Dharr al-Ghifari (RA)... asked, "Oh Messenger of Allah, how many are there messengers?" He said "310 and a few more".

And in another narration of Imam Ahmed, from the narration of Abi Umaama, Abu Dharr asked, "Oh Messenger of Allah, how many are there prophets?" He said, "120,000 and between them 315 messengers."

Though I am no Einstein, still I was good at mathematics.

I particularly liked addition and multiplication. It feels so nice to be able to add things. Two and two always made four.

However, today I have a problem.

Somehow, I cant add the numbers given above by Darth and get 124000.

Omrow

"Omrow" wrote:

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

it is stated that the prophets number about 124,000, and the prophet-messengers are twenty-five.

Abi Dharr al-Ghifari (RA)... asked, "Oh Messenger of Allah, how many are there messengers?" He said "310 and a few more".

And in another narration of Imam Ahmed, from the narration of Abi Umaama, Abu Dharr asked, "Oh Messenger of Allah, how many are there prophets?" He said, "120,000 and between them 315 messengers."

Though I am no Einstein, still I was good at mathematics.

I particularly liked addition and multiplication. It feels so nice to be able to add things. Two and two always made four.

However, today I have a problem.

Somehow, I cant add the numbers given above by Darth and get 124000.

Omrow

Thats becuz it says "about" 124000 not exacly 124000 :roll:

"Omrow" wrote:

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

it is stated that the prophets number about 124,000, and the prophet-messengers are twenty-five.

Abi Dharr al-Ghifari (RA)... asked, "Oh Messenger of Allah, how many are there messengers?" He said "310 and a few more".

And in another narration of Imam Ahmed, from the narration of Abi Umaama, Abu Dharr asked, "Oh Messenger of Allah, how many are there prophets?" He said, "120,000 and between them 315 messengers."

Though I am no Einstein, still I was good at mathematics.

I particularly liked addition and multiplication. It feels so nice to be able to add things. Two and two always made four.

However, today I have a problem.

Somehow, I cant add the numbers given above by Darth and get 124000.

Omrow

what are you trying to add mousey?