Submitted by malik on 22 December, 2009 - 16:15 #91
[b]Fatima's anger with Caliph Abu Bakr:[/b]
Sunni account of Fatima's Garden from Sahih al Bukhari:
Hadith 1:
[b]Narrated Aisha (mother of the believers):[/b]
Fatima the daughter of the Prophet sent someone to Abu Bakr (when he was a caliph), asking for her inheritance of what Allah's Messenger had left of the property bestowed on him by Allah from the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) in Medina, and Fadak, and what remained of the Khumus of the Khaibar booty. On that, Abu Bakr said, "Allah's Messenger said, "Our property is not inherited. Whatever we leave, is Sadaqa [charity], but the family of (the Prophet) Muhammad can eat of this property.' By Allah, I will not make any change in the state of the Sadaqa of Allah's Messenger and will leave it as it was during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger, and will dispose of it as Allah's Messenger used to do." So Abu Bakr refused to give anything of that to Fatima. So she became angry with Abu Bakr and kept away from him, and did not talk to him till she died. She remained alive for six months after the death of the Prophet. When she died, her husband Ali, buried her at night without informing Abu Bakr and he said the funeral prayer by himself.
When Fatima was alive, the people used to respect Ali much, but after her death, Ali noticed a change in the people's attitude towards him. So Ali sought reconciliation with Abu Bakr and gave him an oath of allegiance. Ali had not given the oath of allegiance during those months (i.e. the period between the Prophet's death and Fatima's death). Ali sent someone to Abu Bakr saying, "Come to us, but let nobody come with you," as he disliked that Umar should come, Umar said (to Abu Bakr), "No, by Allah, you shall not enter upon them alone " Abu Bakr said, "What do you think they will do to me? By Allah, I will go to them' So Abu Bakr entered upon them, and then Ali uttered Tashahud and said (to Abu Bakr), "We know well your superiority and what Allah has given you, and we are not jealous of the good what Allah has bestowed upon you, but you did not consult us in the question of the rule and we thought that we have got a right in it because of our near relationship to Allah's Messenger."
Thereupon Abu Bakr's eyes flowed with tears. And when Abu Bakr spoke, he said, "By Him in Whose Hand my soul is to keep good relations with the relatives of Allah's Messenger is dearer to me than to keep good relations with my own relatives. But as for the trouble which arose between me and you about his property, I will do my best to spend it according to what is good, and will not leave any rule or regulation which I saw Allah's Messenger following, in disposing of it, but I will follow." On that Ali said to Abu Bakr, "I promise to give you the oath of allegiance in this after noon." So when Abu Bakr had offered the Zuhr prayer, he ascended the pulpit and uttered the Tashah-hud and then mentioned the story of Ali and his failure to give the oath of allegiance, and excused him, accepting what excuses he had offered; Then Ali (got up) and praying (to Allah) for forgiveness, he uttered Tashahhud, praised Abu Bakr's right, and said, that he had not done what he had done because of jealousy of Abu Bakr or as a protest of that Allah had favored him with. Ali added, "But we used to consider that we too had some right in this affair (of rulership) and that he (i.e. Abu Bakr) did not consult us in this matter, and therefore caused us to feel sorry." On that all the Muslims became happy and said, "You have done the right thing." The Muslims then became friendly with Ali as he returned to what the people had done (i.e. giving the oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr).
Hadith 2:
[b]Narrated Aisha (mother of the believers):[/b]
After the death of Allah's Messenger, Fatima the daughter of Allah's Messenger asked Abu Bakr Asiddiq to give her, her share of inheritance from what Allah's Messenger had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her, "Allah's Messenger said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)." Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Messenger got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of Allah's Messenger.
She used to ask Abu Bakr for her share from the property of Allah's Messenger which he left at Khaibar, and Fadak, and his property at Medina (devoted for charity). Abu Bakr refused to give her that property and said, "I will not leave anything Allah's Messenger used to do, because I am afraid that if I left something from the Prophet's tradition, then I would go astray." (Later on) Umar gave the Prophet's property (of Sadaqa) at Medina to Ali and Abbas, but he withheld the properties of Khaibar and Fadak in his custody and said, "These two properties are the Sadaqa which Allah's Messenger used to use for his expenditures and urgent needs. Now their management is to be entrusted to the ruler." (Az-Zuhrl said, "They have been managed in this way till today.").
References:
Sahih Bukhari - Volume 5, Book 59, Hadith Number 546.
Sahih Bukhari - Volume 4, Book 53, Hadith Number 325.
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When Hadhrat Ali (ra) became Caliph, did he take the land?
I doubt this is even a big issue really - most are unawares, and those that are awares know that people had opposing stances due to legitimate reasons.
(Hadhrat Abu Bakr's position was not that it was only the Prophet who didn't leave behind physical inheritance, but all prophets, based upon a hadith so twisting it otherwise does no favours.)
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Submitted by malik on 22 December, 2009 - 16:18 #93
You have failed to grasp the point:
For the daughter of the Prophet (pbuh), inheritance was a big issue.
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You have failed to grasp the point:
For the daughter of the Prophet (pbuh), inheritance was a big issue.
Her (ra) point of contention was that it was not an inheritance. She (ra) said that she had been given it before hand.
However, there was a dispute over witnesses etc.
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Submitted by malik on 22 December, 2009 - 22:00 #95
Yes, that is the point.
Prophet's (pbuh) daughter was not believed.
Hence there is definately going to be a scene on the Day of Judgement.
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Prophet's (pbuh) daughter was not believed.
Hence there is definately going to be a scene on the Day of Judgement.
It is not about being believed, but about following the letter.
Yes, if there is punishment, it is for God to give. but at the same time, the actions showed that no one was above the law - it did not matter how much you were trusted, but if you never had the paper work for financial interactions, there was no falling back.
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Submitted by Muhammad Hasnai... (not verified) on 23 December, 2009 - 06:36 #97
Shia Muslims believe that like common people, all Prophets also leave their inheritance to their children. Evidence of this is found in the Holy Quran. God's rule of inheritance is same for everyone
Solomon inherited David's prophethood and dominion. This was not a material inheritance, as prophets do not bequeath their property. It is given away to the poor and needy, not to their relatives. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "The prophets' property will not be inherited, and whatever we leave is to be used for charity." (Sahih Al-Bukhari).
And Solomon inherited (the knowledge of) David. He said: "O mankind! We have been taught the language of birds, and on us have been bestowed all things. This, verily, is an evident grace (from Allah)."
And there were gathered before Solomon his hosts of jinns and men, and birds, and they were all set in battle order (marching forwards). (Ch 27:15-17 Quran). http://islamawakened.org/quran/27/16/default.htm
Isaac inherited the divine mission from Abraham and demonstrated the faith which qualified him to make the symbolic offering.
Exposition of the Divine Principle Part II, Chapter 1, Section 3
22:11 But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, "Abraham, Abraham," And he said, "Here am I."
Submitted by Muhammad Hasnai... (not verified) on 23 December, 2009 - 06:56 #98
Book 80 718 Narrated 'Aisha: Fatima and Al 'Abbas came to Abu Bakr, seeking their share from the property of Allah's Apostle and at that time, they were asking for their land at Fadak and their share from Khaibar. Abu Bakr said to them, " I have heard from Allah's Apostle saying, 'Our property cannot be inherited, and whatever we leave is to be spent in charity, but the family of Muhammad may take their provisions from this property." Abu Bakr added, "By Allah, I will not leave the procedure I saw Allah's Apostle following during his lifetime concerning this property." Therefore Fatima left Abu Bakr and did not speak to him till she died.
Book 80 719
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet said, "Our (Apostles') property should not be inherited, and whatever we leave, is to be spent in charity."
Book 80 720
Narrated Malik bin Aus: 'I went and entered upon 'Umar, his doorman, Yarfa came saying 'Uthman, 'Abdur-Rahman, Az-Zubair and Sa'd are asking your permission (to see you). May I admit them? 'Umar said, 'Yes.' So he admitted them Then he came again and said, 'May I admit 'Ali and 'Abbas?' He said, 'Yes.' 'Abbas said, 'O, chief of the believers! Judge between me and this man (Ali ). 'Umar said, 'I beseech you by Allah by Whose permission both the heaven and the earth exist, do you know that Allah's Apostle said, 'Our (the Apostles') property will not be inherited, and whatever we leave (after our death) is to be spent in charity?' And by that Allah's Apostle meant himself.' The group said, '(No doubt), he said so.' 'Umar then faced 'Ali and 'Abbas and said, 'Do you both know that Allah's Apostle said that?' They replied, '(No doubt), he said so.' 'Umar said, 'So let me talk to you about this matter. Allah favored His Apostle with something of this Fai' (i.e. booty won by the Muslims at war without fighting) which He did not give to anybody else; Allah said:-- 'And what Allah gave to His Apostle ( Fai' Booty) .........to do all things....(59.6) And so that property was only for Allah's Apostle . Yet, by Allah, he neither gathered that property for himself nor withheld it from you, but he gave its income to you, and distributed it among you till there remained the present property out of which the Prophet used to spend the yearly maintenance for his family, and whatever used to remain, he used to spend it where Allah's property is spent (i.e. in charity etc.). Allah's Apostle followed that throughout his life. Now I beseech you by Allah, do you know all that?' They said, 'Yes.' 'Umar then said to 'Ali and 'Abbas, 'I beseech you by Allah, do you know that?' Both of them said, 'Yes.' 'Umar added, 'And when the Prophet died, Abu Bakr said, ' I am the successor of Allah's Apostle, and took charge of that property and managed it in the same way as Allah's Apostle did. Then I took charge of this property for two years during which I managed it as Allah's Apostle and Abu Bakr did. Then you both ('Ali and 'Abbas) came to talk to me, bearing the same claim and presenting the same case. (O 'Abbas!) You came to me asking for your share from the property of your nephew, and this man (Ali) came to me, asking for the share of h is wife from the property of her father. I said, 'If you both wish, I will give that to you on that condition (i.e. that you would follow the way of the Prophet and Abu Bakr and as I (Umar) have done in man aging it).' Now both of you seek of me a verdict other than that? Lo! By Allah, by Whose permission both the heaven and the earth exist, I will not give any verdict other than that till the Hour is established. If you are unable to manage it, then return it to me, and I will be sufficient to manage it on your behalf.' "
Book 80 721
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Not even a single Dinar of my property should be distributed (after my deaths to my inheritors, but whatever I leave excluding the provision for my wives and my servants, should be spent in charity."
Book 80 722
Narrated 'Urwa: 'Aisha said, "When Allah's Apostle died, his wives intended to send 'Uthman to Abu Bakr asking him for their share of the inheritance." Then 'Aisha said to them, "Didn't Allah's Apostle say, 'Our (Apostles') property is not to be inherited, and whatever we leave is to be spent in charity?'"
I assk onlu one thing from shia that during the regime of Hazrat Ali R.A who is the owner of garden fidak
Submitted by You on 23 December, 2009 - 15:34 #100
stick to english please. Posts in a different language will be deleted.
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Submitted by malik on 25 December, 2009 - 13:35 #101
I am a Shia Muslim. I stand with Fatima the daughter of the Prophet (pbuh). She is the truthful one. Anyone who upsets her upsets her father. When her father is upset, God is angery.
Therefore its up the Caliph to worry why he angered the daughter of the holy Prophet. He will have to provide answers. Prophet will decide and sort him out.
We Shia Muslims are with the Prophet and his holy daughter. Thats it.
You will all see what happens on the Day of Judgement.
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Submitted by You on 25 December, 2009 - 14:03 #102
well, I don't think anyone even suggests that she had an ounce of untruthfulness inside her.
When Imam Ali (ra) became the amirul mu'mineen, what was done with the property? (I genuinely do not know the answer to this.)
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Submitted by malik on 29 December, 2009 - 13:59 #103
Sunni muslims say that when Imam Ali became Caliph, he did not reclaim Fadak. He respected Abu Bakr's decision.
Shia muslims say Imam Ali returned the property to its lawful inheritors, the grandsons of the Prophet (pbuh).
Ali was assassinated in 661 on the orders of Mawiya.
The new tyrant took Fadak from children of Fatima. Mawiya assassinated Hasan. Mawiya's son Yazid butchered Hussain. Fadak was once gain made state property.
The following dictators like Marwan and Yazid II kept Fadak for themselves.
When Umar II seized power in the year 717, he decreed that Fadak be returned to the descendents of Fatima. He was a conscientious king.
Later Caliphs again grabbed Fadak and made it public property.
We wait for the Promised Messiah Al Mahdi to come, and sort those who did the injustice.
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Submitted by Ya'qub on 29 December, 2009 - 15:53 #104
malik wrote:
We wait for the Promised Messiah Al Mahdi to come, and sort those who did the injustice.
Sort out the people who have already died? Instead of them being Judged and Dealt with by God? That doesn't make much sense to me.
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Submitted by Muhammad Hasnai... (not verified) on 30 December, 2009 - 05:45 #105
@Malik
Shia muslims say Imam Ali returned the property to its lawful inheritors, the grandsons of the Prophet
please give the link for information. I was actively looking for that.....
Submitted by malik on 30 December, 2009 - 16:47 #106
Ya'qub wrote:
malik wrote:
We wait for the Promised Messiah Al Mahdi to come, and sort those who did the injustice.
Sort out the people who have already died? Instead of them being Judged and Dealt with by God? That doesn't make much sense to me.
God appoints His judges to judge and punish criminals.
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Submitted by You on 30 December, 2009 - 19:15 #107
If that were always the case, there would be no need for a day of judgement.
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Submitted by malik on 30 December, 2009 - 23:07 #108
Does that mean we should get rid of Qadi in sharia courts?
No. Islam has judges to punish crimes and murderers. Thats why we have hanging and cutting off hands etc etc.
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Submitted by Muhammad Hasnai... (not verified) on 31 December, 2009 - 09:56 #109
malik wrote:
Does that mean we should get rid of Qadi in sharia courts?
No. Islam has judges to punish crimes and murderers. Thats why we have hanging and cutting off hands etc etc.
my request for the source remains unattended....... :?:
Submitted by shabir (not verified) on 31 December, 2009 - 17:40 #110
what allot of u r failing to grasp is the fact that hazrat fatima made a big deal about a piece of land which they thought was rightfully theirs, as weve read in these posts b4 that they even promised to refuse to speak to hazrat abu bakr- all this over a pice of land whichj they thought was theirs,
but what about the khilafa, don't u think if hazrat fatima thought the khilafa was theirs to take based on hereditary grounds (as we see later on with yazid may he be cursed) no one in this world or the next could have stopped her,
there is no way either hazrat abu bakr, hazrat umar or any other major sahaba would have stopped her from claiming the khilafa.
( try getting out of that)
Submitted by You on 31 December, 2009 - 17:54 #111
No one needs to get out of anything - people are trying to learn and understand about the past. There is no harm in that.
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Submitted by arshad (not verified) on 1 January, 2010 - 06:34 #112
I was eager to read about this matter....
No doubt Hazrat Ali (R.A.) was having great knowledge. I have few questions....
From your conversation I read that Hazrat Abu Bakar, Hazrat Usman and Hazrat Umar were against to give Baghe Fidak to Bibi Fatima (R.A.). WHY HAZRAT ALI in his ruling time had given Baghe Fidak back to Bibi???
Why Hazrat Ali did Bait to Hazrat Abu Bakar....It means Hazarat Ali Nauzbillah did wrong???
Was Baghe Fidak taken by any of our caliph Hazarat Abu Bakar, Hazrat Usman or Hazrat Umar??
I Also ready that Hazarat ALi always with Haq and Haq is with Ali.. SO, why Baghe fidak was not given back in era of Hazrat Ali,,,,, Why Hazrat Ali did Bait for Abu Bakar, Usman and Umar??? I can't say Hazrat ALi was Wrong.....Becuase I love each of them and also Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) were with all of them. They couldn't choose bad personalities for him.
Hazrat Ali = ilam ka darwaza, Saifullah
Hazrat Usman = Gani
Hazrat Umar = Best Ruler (till todate people our religion as well as of other religion beleive it)
Do you think that i still say that Hazrat Ali was wrong......never........but we should keep our senses alive.........Never say that Hazrat Ali was wrong if he did bait in favor of Usman, Umar and Abu Bakar....
Also keep in mind that Hazrat Ali's father was also not Muslim...........so never say others that they were kafir............we should respect the people who were chosen by Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH). You wanna say that Muhammad (PBUH) had chosen wrong persons??? Are you really a Muslim?? Can you imagine that prophet (PBUP) were believing in wrong persons.... Each and every one was having specific characteristic.
We all people just want to satisfy our maslak and nothing more than that......
Submitted by arshad (not verified) on 1 January, 2010 - 07:34 #113
Hazrat Ali R.A. Father embarrassed Islam lateron.... Although he had given great support to Muhammad PBUH.
Submitted by malik on 1 January, 2010 - 13:17 #114
unvarified posters are eithers jews or other kafirs who pretend to be muslims. anyone can write PBUH.
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Submitted by Hammad (not verified) on 1 January, 2010 - 13:47 #116
salam! i hv a shiya frend n hes always saying k hazrat ali RA is far better dan hazrat Abu Bakar RA. in the light of the event u quoted i.e ""There is no enmity between Sayyidina Abu Bakr and Sayyidina Ali radhiyallahu anhu. Infact at one point Sayyidina Ali radhiyallahu anhu stood in the masjid and said that should any man say I am better than Abu Bakr I will lash him.""" cn u give me some reference as 2 where dis thing was taken from?? thanx!
Submitted by Muhammad Hasnai... (not verified) on 2 January, 2010 - 04:33 #117
any source of this?.....this has been a subject of great debate amongst the muslims
Submitted by Muhammad Hasnai... (not verified) on 2 January, 2010 - 04:35 #118
arshad wrote:
Hazrat Ali R.A. Father embarrassed Islam lateron.... Although he had given great support to Muhammad PBUH.
I would be thankful if you provide me with source
Submitted by Muhammad Hasnai... (not verified) on 2 January, 2010 - 05:07 #119
here is a very detailed answer that i found somewhere.....
Re: Did Umar (R.A.) tried burn the house of Fatima (R.A.)??
Hadhrat Umar [radhiallaahu anhu] attacked Hadhrat Ali and Hadhrat Faatima [radhiallahu anhuma) causing her to abort the child in her womb
Q: One common thing Shias quote regarding Umar is that after the Event of Saqifa, Hazrat Ali refused to give baya to Hazrat Abu Bakr. Abu Bakr ordered Umar and a couple of Sahaba to go to Fatima's house and bring Ali to him. According to sources such as The History of Tabari (and other sources), the Sahaba led by Umar broke down the door and dragged Ali to Abu Bakr to pledge Baya. This is all mentioned in some history books; Sahih al-Bukhari, Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Sirah al-Nabawiyyah by Ibn Hisham, History of Tabari (Arabic), al-Isti'ab by Ibn Abd al-Barr, Tarikh al-Kulafa by Ibn Qutaybah, Kanz al-Ummal.
They surrounded Ali (AS) and burned the door of his house and pulled him out against his will and pressed the leader of all women (Hadhrat Fatimah (AS)) between the door and the wall killing Mohsin (the male-child she was carrying in her womb for six months).
A:
In the name Allah , Most Gracious Most Merciful
Your Shiite associates have misled you with regards to the Bay’at to Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and the actions taken by Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu). The actual incident is not how they have portrayed it.
What ever has been mentioned with regards to this incident in the Saheehul Bukhari, Musnad Ahmad, Kanzul Ummal, Albidayah wan Nihaayah, Alkaamil Li ibni Atheer, Seeratun Nabawi Li ibni Hisham and Tareekhul Islaam Lith Thahabi, boils down to the fact that, after the demise of Rasoolullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and the majority of the Ansaar and the Muhajireen were busy with the burial arrangements. On the other hand a few Ansaar Sahabah (Radhiallaahu Anhum) gathered with Saad Bin Ubaadah (Radhiallaahu Anhu) at Saqeefa Bani Saaidah. Their intention was to appoint Saad Bin Ubaadah (Radhiallaahu Anhu) as the Khalifah. Had this materialised without the mutual consent of the Akaabir Sahabah (Radhiallaahu Anhum) and the Muhajireen Sahabah (Radhiallaahu Anhum) it would have been very inappropriate. Seeing this one Sahabi immediately headed for the house of Rasoolullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and asked Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu), who was at the time busy with the burial arrangements, to step outside the house. At first Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) refused to come out due to his engrossment, but when the Sahabi hurried him and informed him of the importance, Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) came outside and the Sahabi informed him of the gathering of the Ansaar. On hearing this Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) immediately called Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu), who was also busy with the burial arrangements and refused to come out. When Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) informed him of the importance of the issue, he immediately headed for Saqeefa Bani Saaidah together with Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and Abu Ubaidah ibnul Jarrah (Radhiallaahu Anhu).
This makes it very clear that Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu)and Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) did not take any initial steps in trying to attain the Khilaafat; rather, they were busy in the burial arrangements. Another Sahabi had come and informed Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) regarding the gathering of the Ansaar.
From this incident one can understand the importance of Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu). Also, Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) did not go to Saqeefa Bani Saaidah alone; rather he took Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and Abu Ubaidah ibnul Jarrah (Radhiallaahu Anhu) with him (these three Sahabah are from amongst the ‘Ashara Mubash shararah i.e. the ten companions who were given glad-tidings of Jannah in this world by Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam)). Apparently Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) did not take Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and Zubair (Radhiallaahu Anhu) with him because they were the immediate relatives of Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and it was more appropriate for them to remain engaged in the burial arrangements. It has been mentioned in a Hadith that after Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) delivered Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) into the Raudhah Mubarak he said: “A person’s family and relatives are the ones responsible for arranging his burial.” (Sunan Abu Dawood, Vol. 2, Page 102)
Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) mentioned in detail during his Khilaafat that Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) went to Saqeefa Bani Saaidah in order to inform and explain to the Ansaar. He did not know that in the interim he would have the responsibility of appointing a Khalifah. This is also the reason why he did not take Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) with him. When these three Sahabah reached Saqeefa Bani Saaidah they saw that the Ansaar were in a very emotional state and were about to appoint Sa’ad bin Ubaadah (Radhiallaahu Anhu) as the Khalifah. This was under no circumstances correct or appropriate. Besides the Muhajireen, none of the Ansaar would have been happy to take Bay’at on the hands of Sa’ad bin Ubaadah (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and there was also a great fear that there would have been a revolt. Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) has also indicated to this in his detailed sermon which is mentioned in Bukhari. For this reason Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) stepped forward and explained to them with great wisdom that the Khalifah should be from amongst the Quraish because the entire Arab world respects them. After this Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) raised the hands of Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and Abu Ubaidah ibnul Jarrah (Radhiallaahu Anhu) in front of the congregation and requested them to take Bay’at on the hands of either of the two. The Ansaar did not agree to this but they demanded that there should be an Ameer from amongst the Ansaar as well as the Muhajireen which was also inappropriate. How could it be possible that there be two different rulers in one country at the same time? On this occasion Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) said: “Two swords can not be gathered in one sheath.” When Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) saw that the differences were not settling and the arguing was not coming to an end and the fear of a revolt was becoming imminent, he made Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) ascend the pulpit and declared that he is taking Bay’at on the hands of Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu). Before Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) could take Bay’at, an Ansaari Sahabi took Bay’at on the hands of Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu). On seeing this all the Muhajireen and Ansaar that were present also took Bay’at on the hands of Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) except Sa’ad bin Ubaadah (Radhiallaahu Anhu). When proving that Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) is worthy of Khilaafat, Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) mentioned that “Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) forwarded Abubakar to lead the Salaat during his lifetime and he is one of the Thaani ul Ithnain i.e. the companion of Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) in the cave. How can Umar become the Khalifah while he is present?” Abu Ubaidah ibnul Jarrah (Radhiallaahu Anhu) said the same thing. Zaid bin Thaabit (Radhiallaahu Anhu), who was an Ansaari Sahabi, also said the same thing and expounded the virtues and the importance of the Muhajireen to the Ansaar. In this manner, those Ansaar who wanted to appoint Sa’ad bin Ubaadah (Radhiallaahu Anhu) as the Khalifah, also willingly took the Bay’at on the hands of Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu).
This gathering was a coincidence. The Ansaar were the cause of this gathering. Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) did not gather them in order to attain the Khilaafat; rather they were forced to go to Saqeefa Bani Saaidah in order to avert an uprising. If this method was not adopted and these three Sahabah came away from Saqeefa Bani Saaidah, one group of the Ansaar would have chosen a Khalifah from amongst them as they were in a great emotional state and were not prepared to delay the appointment of a Khalifah. If at that time an Ansaar Sahabi was appointed as the Khalifah in the absence of the senior Sahabah there was a great possibility that the Arabs would have rejected him and disunion and bloodshed would have broke out immediately after the demise of Rasoolullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). This is exactly what a Sahabi indicated towards while admonishing the Ansaar Sahabah that: “You were the first to support and assist Islam so do not be the first ones to finish it i.e. by quarrelling and fighting amongst yourselves.”
Now one should ponder that upto this point what did Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) do wrong. They did not claim nor did they demand Khilaafat for themselves, rather after explaining to the Ansaar, Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) proposed Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and Abu Ubaidah ibnul Jarrah (Radhiallaahu Anhu) to be appointed as the Khalifah and Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) proposed Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) to be the Khalifah and all the present Muhaajir and Ansaar Sahabah accepted the proposal of Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu). It is not proven from any authentic text that Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) has conspired to do something and gathered the Ansaar at Saqeefa Bani Saaidah and their going there was part of the conspiracy. If anybody claims this then they should bring forth their proofs. This is also the reason why Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) had termed this Khilaafat as a coincidence during his Khilaafat because they had no idea in their mind nor was it pre-planned. Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and other Muhaajir Sahabah did not take part in this Bay’at because they were engaged in the burial arrangements of Rasoolullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and apparently they did not even know what transpired outside of the house. One cannot say that Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and other Muhaajir Sahabah’s failure to take the Bay’at was because they disagreed with it, rather this is the reason why those Sahabah who were not present at the time of the Bay’at were not taunted. A general Majlis took place the following day in the Masjid-un-Nabawi for everybody to take the Bay’at so that nobody could raise any objection to Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) being the Khalifah and that he did this in secret. It is also incorrect to level accusations against Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) of not calling Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and other Sahabah to Saqeefa Bani Saaidah because when they left the home of Rasoolullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) they did not know what was going to happen, neither did they go there with the intention of obtaining the Khilaafat themselves. Whatever happened at Saqeefa Bani Saaidah was a coincidence and unexpected.
It is proven from few narrations that after the incident of Saqeefa Bani Saaidah, Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) returned to Rasoolullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam)’s house to in order to assist with the burial arrangements. On the following day Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) sat on the pulpit in the Masjid-un-Nabawi and Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) stood in front of the Sahabah and said a few words and also excused himself for what he had said on hearing of the demise of Rasoolullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). He further said that: “Rasoolullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) has passed away and you have the Qur’an with you.” Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) then pointed towards Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and mentioned his virtues and that he was Rasoolullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam)’s companion in the cave and that he is more worthy of Khilaafat than anybody else and everybody should take Bay’at on his hands. All the Sahabah present in the Masjid took Bay’at on the hands of Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and this was known as the general Bay’at. At the time of this Bay’at two very important and famous Sahabah, i.e. Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and Zubair (Radhiallaahu Anhu) were not present. This was very confusing. Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) enquired of their whereabouts. A few Sahabah of the Ansaar stood up and called Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and Zubair (Radhiallaahu Anhu) to the Masjid. When these two Sahabah (Radhiallaahu Anhu) arrived at the Masjid Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) asked Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu): “Why haven’t you taken Bay’at inspite of you being the cousin and son in-law of Rasoolullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam)? Do you wish to cause disunity amongst the Muslims?” On hearing this Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) excused himself and took Bay’at on the hands of Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu). Then Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) asked Zubair (Radhiallaahu Anhu) the same question and also asked him that: “Inspite of being the cousin of Rasoolullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and a Hawaari, do you wish to create disunity amongst the Muslims?” He too excused himself and took Bay’at on the hands of Abubakar (Radhiallaahu Anhu).
As far as what has been mentioned in a few narrations that Ali (R.A.) and Zubair (R.A.) gathered at the house of Fatima (R.A.) and Umar (R.A) went there and threatened them, I would like to say that apparently after the burial of Rasoolullah (S.A.W.) and before the general Bay’at in the Masjid, Ali (R.A.) and Zubair (R.A.) and a few Muhajireen Sahabah gathered at the house of Fatima (R.A.) and thought that because the general Bay’at had not yet been taken, we should appoint Ali (R.A.) as the Khalifah. They discussed this matter amongst themselves and Zubair (R.A.) also announced that he will back Ali (R.A.) with his sword. On the other hand many of the Muhajireen and Ansaar had already taken Bay’at on the hands of Abubakar (R.A.) at Saqeefa Bani Saaidah, now if another Khalifah had to be appointed, there was a great fear of revolt and the Ansaar would again have demanded that an Ameer be appointed from amongst them. Therefore, in order to suppress this revolt Umar (R.A) went to Fatima (R.A.)’s house and at that time Ali (R.A.) and Zubair (R.A.) were not present. It has been stated in Kanzul Ummal that Umar (R.A) told Fatima (R.A.) that: “O the daughter of Rasoolullah (S.A.W.), nobody from amongst the people is more beloved to me than your father and nobody is more beloved to me than you after your father. I have received the bad news that these people are gathering in your house and conspiring against the Khilaafat of Abubakar. If they do not stop conspiring then by Allah! I will burn their homes.” On saying this Umar (R.A) left and when Ali (R.A.) and Zubair (R.A.) arrived at the house of Fatima (R.A.), Fatima (R.A.) said to them: “Do you know that Umar came to see me and he has taken an oath that if you conspire against the Khilaafat of Abubakar he will burn your homes? By Allah! Umar will most definitely fulfil his oath. Therefore leave my house with the intention of dropping your opinions and thoughts and do not return with the same object.” Ali (R.A.) and Zubair (R.A.) left the house and did not gather there again until they took Bay’at on the hands of Abubakar (R.A.). (Kanzul Ummal, Vol. 5, Page 651)
From this narration of Kanzul Ummal a few points have become clear and evident:
When Umar (R.A) arrived at Fatima (R.A.)’s house Ali (R.A.) and Zubair (R.A.) were not present, therefore neither did Umar (R.A) meet them nor did a fight or quarrel break out.
1. Umar (R.A) associated with Fatima (R.A.) in a very respectful manner and also mentioned to her that she was more beloved to him than his own children.
2. Umar (R.A) did not threaten Fatima (R.A.) in any way.
3. When Umar (R.A) left Fatima (R.A.)’s house, both Fatima (R.A.) and her home were sound and intact. No harm was afflicted on either of them. Later when Ali (R.A.) arrived Fatima (R.A.) did not complain of Umar (R.A) behaving in a disrespectful manner, rather she advised him not to oppose Umar (R.A) and not to conspire against the Khilaafat of Abubakar (R.A.) in her house in future.
4. Ali (R.A.) and Zubair (R.A.) took Bay’at on the hands of Abubakar (R.A.) without any coercion.
The accusations that have been levelled against Umar (R.A) that he broke down the door of Ali (R.A.)’s house and approached Ali (R.A.) and Fatima (R.A.) in a disrespectful manner and due to this Fatima (R.A.) suffered a miscarriage is totally false and a mere fabrication. In reality those who levelled this accusation are disgracing and Ali (R.A.) and Fatima (R.A.) and also making a mockery of Islam. Was Ali (R.A.) so cowardly that he could not defend his house nor avenge his wife?! When Ali (R.A.) became Khalifah why did he not take revenge nor claim the blood money from the family of Umar (R.A) for the child that he had lost?! The ones who narrate these types of narrations are in actual fact the enemies of Islam. They portray the Sahabah (R.A.) in front of the Kuffar in such a fallacious manner that they were thirsty for governance, they had no legal system, the strong used to suppress the weak, to speak the truth was a crime, the oppressors were not punished, lies were spoken in order to please rulers, just as the hypocrites they too had hatred in their hearts for their rulers. Can your heart accept such accusations and nonsense? Could the senior Sahabah behaved in such a manner? Were such Sahabah not capable of demolishing great empires such as that of Qaisar and Kisra with scanty ammunitions and means? Will Allah Ta’ala assist such oppressors?
The claim that Fatima (R.A.) had a miscarriage is a mere fabrication. It has been mentioned in an authentic book of history, i.e. Albidayah wan Nihaayah, that during the lifetime of Rasoolullah (S.A.W.), Fatima (R.A.) gave birth to a third son by the name of Muhassin and that this child passed away in his childhood. This is why the majority of the historians mentioned only two sons of Fatima (R.A.).
The reason why Umar (R.A) reacted staunchly with those who opposed the Khilaafat after Abubakar (R.A.) was appointed as the Khalifah was because Rasoolullah (S.A.W.) has said: “If anybody else claims Khilaafat after a Khalifah has been chosen from amongst the Muslims, then he should be killed no matter who he may be.” (Sahih Muslim)
After the general Bay’at took place Abubakar (R.A.) said: “I never intended to be a Khalifah nor did I demand it. If you are not pleased with this Bay’at then I will step down and you can appoint someone else as the Khalifah.” Majority of the Muhajireen, especially Ali (R.A.) refused this offer and said: “No, you (Abubakar) are more worthy of the Khilaafat than anybody else. Rasoolullah (S.A.W.) forwarded you in such an important issue such as Salaat so how can we pull you back.” When Ali (R.A.) and Zubair (R.A.) were asked why did they not take the Bay’at in the beginning? They replied that the reason was because they were consulted on the issue. It has been narrated in the Shiite book “Ihtijaaj Tabrasi” that Ali (R.A.) took Bay’at on the hands of Abubakar (R.A.) and also performed Salaat behind him. Ali (R.A.) announced during his Khilaafat that Rasoolullah (S.A.W.) did not bequest us to appoint the Khalifah and neither did he take a pledge from us. If I had a pledge then I would have never allowed Abubakar (R.A.) to climb the Mimbar of Rasoolullah (S.A.W.) but in reality Abubakar (R.A.) was worthy of Khilaafat. Rasoolullah (S.A.W.) also forwarded him, we supported him and worked with him, and after his demise we assisted Umar (R.A) and Uthmaan (R.A.)
One should ponder that if Ali (R.A.) had a pledge then he would have most definitely mentioned it during his Khilaafat when there was no fear of anybody reprimanding him or threatening him. Had Abubakar (R.A.) or Umar (R.A) oppressed him any way, he would have also mentioned it but he did not mention anything of that sort.
We have elaborated in detail on the Khilaafat of Abubakar (R.A.). One should accept that which is authentic and that which also suits the nature of the Sahabah Kiraam and Islam. Those narrations which portray false pictures of the Sahabah and Islam will not be accepted because those who opposed Islam while portraying themselves as Muslims fabricate such false narrations and spread them in such a manner that causes disunion amongst the Muslims and also that they may disperse into groups and start baying for each others blood. Not everything mentioned in the history books are authentic and you should not bother arguing with the Shiites, rather you should worry about being a practical Muslim. Also, you should mention the Sahabah in a respectful manner and do not have hatred and prejudice for any Sahabi and inculcate love for all the Sahabah. To love them is a sign of Imaan and to oppose them and hate them is a sign of hypocrisy.
If any Shiite keeps bothering you then you should ask him that: “Was Ali (R.A.) brave or cowardly? If he was brave, then why did he conceal the truth? What prevented him from disclosing the truth during the Khilaafat? If according to your belief (Shiite) Ali (R.A.) had any bequest regarding Khilaafat and governmental issues but he was not able to express them openly, then how did you find out about it? Where is this bequest of his and in which Kitaab is it to be found? Why don’t you prove it from authentic sources.”
References:
Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 2, Page 1009, 1072.
Fathul Baari, Vol. 12, Page 145, Hadith no. 6830, Vol. 13, Page 208, Hadith no. 7219
Musnad Ahmad ibni Hambal, Vol. 1, Page 55, Hadith 133, Page 121, Hadith 391
Kanzul Ummal, Vol. 5, Page 635, 643-657, Hadith no. 14131-14156
Raudhul Unuf, Sharah Seerah ibni Hisham, Vol. 4, Page 260
Albidayah wan Nihaayah, Vol. 5, Page 245-252, Vol. 6, Page 301-303, Vol. 7, Page 331
Alkaamil fit Taarikh li ibni Atheer, Vol. 2, Page 189-194
Taarikh ul Islam lith Thahabi, Page 5-14, Page 639-642
Hum Sunni kiyun Hain, Page 233-248
Shia ke Hazaar Sawaal ka Jawaab, Page 291
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Submitted by malik on 2 January, 2010 - 23:38 #120
We are talking about the fact that Abu Bakr denied inheritance to the daughter of the Prophet (pbuh). She was very angry and died not speaking to him ever again. This means Abu Bakr remains unforgiven. Prophet (pbuh) will decide the issue on the day of judgement.
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[b]Fatima's anger with Caliph Abu Bakr:[/b]
Sunni account of Fatima's Garden from Sahih al Bukhari:
Hadith 1:
[b]Narrated Aisha (mother of the believers):[/b]
Fatima the daughter of the Prophet sent someone to Abu Bakr (when he was a caliph), asking for her inheritance of what Allah's Messenger had left of the property bestowed on him by Allah from the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) in Medina, and Fadak, and what remained of the Khumus of the Khaibar booty. On that, Abu Bakr said, "Allah's Messenger said, "Our property is not inherited. Whatever we leave, is Sadaqa [charity], but the family of (the Prophet) Muhammad can eat of this property.' By Allah, I will not make any change in the state of the Sadaqa of Allah's Messenger and will leave it as it was during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger, and will dispose of it as Allah's Messenger used to do." So Abu Bakr refused to give anything of that to Fatima. So she became angry with Abu Bakr and kept away from him, and did not talk to him till she died. She remained alive for six months after the death of the Prophet. When she died, her husband Ali, buried her at night without informing Abu Bakr and he said the funeral prayer by himself.
When Fatima was alive, the people used to respect Ali much, but after her death, Ali noticed a change in the people's attitude towards him. So Ali sought reconciliation with Abu Bakr and gave him an oath of allegiance. Ali had not given the oath of allegiance during those months (i.e. the period between the Prophet's death and Fatima's death). Ali sent someone to Abu Bakr saying, "Come to us, but let nobody come with you," as he disliked that Umar should come, Umar said (to Abu Bakr), "No, by Allah, you shall not enter upon them alone " Abu Bakr said, "What do you think they will do to me? By Allah, I will go to them' So Abu Bakr entered upon them, and then Ali uttered Tashahud and said (to Abu Bakr), "We know well your superiority and what Allah has given you, and we are not jealous of the good what Allah has bestowed upon you, but you did not consult us in the question of the rule and we thought that we have got a right in it because of our near relationship to Allah's Messenger."
Thereupon Abu Bakr's eyes flowed with tears. And when Abu Bakr spoke, he said, "By Him in Whose Hand my soul is to keep good relations with the relatives of Allah's Messenger is dearer to me than to keep good relations with my own relatives. But as for the trouble which arose between me and you about his property, I will do my best to spend it according to what is good, and will not leave any rule or regulation which I saw Allah's Messenger following, in disposing of it, but I will follow." On that Ali said to Abu Bakr, "I promise to give you the oath of allegiance in this after noon." So when Abu Bakr had offered the Zuhr prayer, he ascended the pulpit and uttered the Tashah-hud and then mentioned the story of Ali and his failure to give the oath of allegiance, and excused him, accepting what excuses he had offered; Then Ali (got up) and praying (to Allah) for forgiveness, he uttered Tashahhud, praised Abu Bakr's right, and said, that he had not done what he had done because of jealousy of Abu Bakr or as a protest of that Allah had favored him with. Ali added, "But we used to consider that we too had some right in this affair (of rulership) and that he (i.e. Abu Bakr) did not consult us in this matter, and therefore caused us to feel sorry." On that all the Muslims became happy and said, "You have done the right thing." The Muslims then became friendly with Ali as he returned to what the people had done (i.e. giving the oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr).
Hadith 2:
[b]Narrated Aisha (mother of the believers):[/b]
After the death of Allah's Messenger, Fatima the daughter of Allah's Messenger asked Abu Bakr Asiddiq to give her, her share of inheritance from what Allah's Messenger had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her, "Allah's Messenger said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)." Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Messenger got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of Allah's Messenger.
She used to ask Abu Bakr for her share from the property of Allah's Messenger which he left at Khaibar, and Fadak, and his property at Medina (devoted for charity). Abu Bakr refused to give her that property and said, "I will not leave anything Allah's Messenger used to do, because I am afraid that if I left something from the Prophet's tradition, then I would go astray." (Later on) Umar gave the Prophet's property (of Sadaqa) at Medina to Ali and Abbas, but he withheld the properties of Khaibar and Fadak in his custody and said, "These two properties are the Sadaqa which Allah's Messenger used to use for his expenditures and urgent needs. Now their management is to be entrusted to the ruler." (Az-Zuhrl said, "They have been managed in this way till today.").
References:
Sahih Bukhari - Volume 5, Book 59, Hadith Number 546.
Sahih Bukhari - Volume 4, Book 53, Hadith Number 325.
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When Hadhrat Ali (ra) became Caliph, did he take the land?
I doubt this is even a big issue really - most are unawares, and those that are awares know that people had opposing stances due to legitimate reasons.
(Hadhrat Abu Bakr's position was not that it was only the Prophet
who didn't leave behind physical inheritance, but all prophets, based upon a hadith so twisting it otherwise does no favours.)
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You have failed to grasp the point:
For the daughter of the Prophet (pbuh), inheritance was a big issue.
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Her (ra) point of contention was that it was not an inheritance. She (ra) said that she had been given it before hand.
However, there was a dispute over witnesses etc.
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Yes, that is the point.
Prophet's (pbuh) daughter was not believed.
Hence there is definately going to be a scene on the Day of Judgement.
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It is not about being believed, but about following the letter.
Yes, if there is punishment, it is for God to give. but at the same time, the actions showed that no one was above the law - it did not matter how much you were trusted, but if you never had the paper work for financial interactions, there was no falling back.
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Shia Muslims believe that like common people, all Prophets also leave their inheritance to their children. Evidence of this is found in the Holy Quran. God's rule of inheritance is same for everyone
http://www.guidedways.com/book_display-book-80-translator-1.htm
I assk onlu one thing from shia that during the regime of Hazrat Ali R.A who is the owner of garden fidak
stick to english please. Posts in a different language will be deleted.
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I am a Shia Muslim. I stand with Fatima the daughter of the Prophet (pbuh). She is the truthful one. Anyone who upsets her upsets her father. When her father is upset, God is angery.
Therefore its up the Caliph to worry why he angered the daughter of the holy Prophet. He will have to provide answers. Prophet will decide and sort him out.
We Shia Muslims are with the Prophet and his holy daughter. Thats it.
You will all see what happens on the Day of Judgement.
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well, I don't think anyone even suggests that she had an ounce of untruthfulness inside her.
When Imam Ali (ra) became the amirul mu'mineen, what was done with the property? (I genuinely do not know the answer to this.)
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Sunni muslims say that when Imam Ali became Caliph, he did not reclaim Fadak. He respected Abu Bakr's decision.
Shia muslims say Imam Ali returned the property to its lawful inheritors, the grandsons of the Prophet (pbuh).
Ali was assassinated in 661 on the orders of Mawiya.
The new tyrant took Fadak from children of Fatima. Mawiya assassinated Hasan. Mawiya's son Yazid butchered Hussain. Fadak was once gain made state property.
The following dictators like Marwan and Yazid II kept Fadak for themselves.
When Umar II seized power in the year 717, he decreed that Fadak be returned to the descendents of Fatima. He was a conscientious king.
Later Caliphs again grabbed Fadak and made it public property.
We wait for the Promised Messiah Al Mahdi to come, and sort those who did the injustice.
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Sort out the people who have already died? Instead of them being Judged and Dealt with by God? That doesn't make much sense to me.
Don't just do something! Stand there.
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please give the link for information. I was actively looking for that.....
God appoints His judges to judge and punish criminals.
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If that were always the case, there would be no need for a day of judgement.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Does that mean we should get rid of Qadi in sharia courts?
No. Islam has judges to punish crimes and murderers. Thats why we have hanging and cutting off hands etc etc.
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my request for the source remains unattended....... :?:
what allot of u r failing to grasp is the fact that hazrat fatima made a big deal about a piece of land which they thought was rightfully theirs, as weve read in these posts b4 that they even promised to refuse to speak to hazrat abu bakr- all this over a pice of land whichj they thought was theirs,
but what about the khilafa, don't u think if hazrat fatima thought the khilafa was theirs to take based on hereditary grounds (as we see later on with yazid may he be cursed) no one in this world or the next could have stopped her,
there is no way either hazrat abu bakr, hazrat umar or any other major sahaba would have stopped her from claiming the khilafa.
( try getting out of that)
No one needs to get out of anything - people are trying to learn and understand about the past. There is no harm in that.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I was eager to read about this matter....
No doubt Hazrat Ali (R.A.) was having great knowledge. I have few questions....
From your conversation I read that Hazrat Abu Bakar, Hazrat Usman and Hazrat Umar were against to give Baghe Fidak to Bibi Fatima (R.A.). WHY HAZRAT ALI in his ruling time had given Baghe Fidak back to Bibi???
Why Hazrat Ali did Bait to Hazrat Abu Bakar....It means Hazarat Ali Nauzbillah did wrong???
Was Baghe Fidak taken by any of our caliph Hazarat Abu Bakar, Hazrat Usman or Hazrat Umar??
I Also ready that Hazarat ALi always with Haq and Haq is with Ali.. SO, why Baghe fidak was not given back in era of Hazrat Ali,,,,, Why Hazrat Ali did Bait for Abu Bakar, Usman and Umar??? I can't say Hazrat ALi was Wrong.....Becuase I love each of them and also Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) were with all of them. They couldn't choose bad personalities for him.
Hazrat Ali = ilam ka darwaza, Saifullah
Hazrat Usman = Gani
Hazrat Umar = Best Ruler (till todate people our religion as well as of other religion beleive it)
Do you think that i still say that Hazrat Ali was wrong......never........but we should keep our senses alive.........Never say that Hazrat Ali was wrong if he did bait in favor of Usman, Umar and Abu Bakar....
Also keep in mind that Hazrat Ali's father was also not Muslim...........so never say others that they were kafir............we should respect the people who were chosen by Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH). You wanna say that Muhammad (PBUH) had chosen wrong persons??? Are you really a Muslim?? Can you imagine that prophet (PBUP) were believing in wrong persons.... Each and every one was having specific characteristic.
We all people just want to satisfy our maslak and nothing more than that......
Hazrat Ali R.A. Father embarrassed Islam lateron.... Although he had given great support to Muhammad PBUH.
unvarified posters are eithers jews or other kafirs who pretend to be muslims. anyone can write PBUH.
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The whole world isn't against you.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
salam! i hv a shiya frend n hes always saying k hazrat ali RA is far better dan hazrat Abu Bakar RA. in the light of the event u quoted i.e ""There is no enmity between Sayyidina Abu Bakr and Sayyidina Ali radhiyallahu anhu. Infact at one point Sayyidina Ali radhiyallahu anhu stood in the masjid and said that should any man say I am better than Abu Bakr I will lash him.""" cn u give me some reference as 2 where dis thing was taken from?? thanx!
any source of this?.....this has been a subject of great debate amongst the muslims
I would be thankful if you provide me with source
here is a very detailed answer that i found somewhere.....
We are talking about the fact that Abu Bakr denied inheritance to the daughter of the Prophet (pbuh). She was very angry and died not speaking to him ever again. This means Abu Bakr remains unforgiven. Prophet (pbuh) will decide the issue on the day of judgement.
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