BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
i am posting this thread just for to increase your knowledge about Islam, one of my Shia friends started arguing with me about this conflict when i told him that Sahaba karaam are probably the best followers of Islam esp hazrat abu bakar and hazrat umar,he started laughing at blamed that
The main and probably the most arguable conflict between two major sects of Islam is the Bagh-e-fidak inheritance.
At the time of ABU BAKAR RA 'S CALIPHATE,the life became very difficult for Hazrat Ali and her beloved wife Hazrat fatima,the reached Hazrta abu bakar and told them that their circumstances are not very well and they have not had anything to eat for days,and they told him that as they are the heir of Muhammad saw and he was only possessing a palm tree garden therefore as we are his close realtives and the heir so we want you to name that garden to us and he utterly denied.
His conclusion was that Hazrat Abu bakar was greedy about that Garden and was also jealous of Hazrat Ali thats why he denied
I corrected his blame by replying that Hazrat abu bakar told them that THEIR IS NO HEIR TO A PROPHET but as fatima is his daughter i can give you that garden if you wish to but i will not name it yours,and there are few obligations that you must earn from that garden in a same way as Muhammad SAW did,that he divided the income from garden in three equal shares one for himself while other two for army and poor ones respectively.But hazrat Fatima and Hazrat Ali thanked Hazrat Abu bakar for correcting their wrong idea and told they dont want it and left humbly
He was satisfied by that answer but still beleives Hazrat Abu bakar was not a benevolent king and dedicated muslim,here the great phrase of urdu implies
KUTTE KI DUM TAIDHEE
Along with this misconception the other ones are
1-WAR BETWEEN HAZRAT ALI AND HAZRAT AYESHA
2-MATAE (actually i really don not know the exact word but it is sex with a lady without marriage if she agrees if you are on a long journey)
If you would like me to describe these above topics i would be glad to do so.Thank you
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malik Tue, 22 Dec 2009 - 16:15
Re: Fatima angry with Abu Bakr
Fatima's anger with Caliph Abu Bakr:
Sunni account of Fatima's Garden from Sahih al Bukhari:
Hadith 1:
Narrated Aisha (mother of the believers):
Fatima the daughter of the Prophet sent someone to Abu Bakr (when he was a caliph), asking for her inheritance of what Allah's Messenger had left of the property bestowed on him by Allah from the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) in Medina, and Fadak, and what remained of the Khumus of the Khaibar booty. On that, Abu Bakr said, "Allah's Messenger said, "Our property is not inherited. Whatever we leave, is Sadaqa [charity], but the family of (the Prophet) Muhammad can eat of this property.' By Allah, I will not make any change in the state of the Sadaqa of Allah's Messenger and will leave it as it was during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger, and will dispose of it as Allah's Messenger used to do." So Abu Bakr refused to give anything of that to Fatima. So she became angry with Abu Bakr and kept away from him, and did not talk to him till she died. She remained alive for six months after the death of the Prophet. When she died, her husband Ali, buried her at night without informing Abu Bakr and he said the funeral prayer by himself.
When Fatima was alive, the people used to respect Ali much, but after her death, Ali noticed a change in the people's attitude towards him. So Ali sought reconciliation with Abu Bakr and gave him an oath of allegiance. Ali had not given the oath of allegiance during those months (i.e. the period between the Prophet's death and Fatima's death). Ali sent someone to Abu Bakr saying, "Come to us, but let nobody come with you," as he disliked that Umar should come, Umar said (to Abu Bakr), "No, by Allah, you shall not enter upon them alone " Abu Bakr said, "What do you think they will do to me? By Allah, I will go to them' So Abu Bakr entered upon them, and then Ali uttered Tashahud and said (to Abu Bakr), "We know well your superiority and what Allah has given you, and we are not jealous of the good what Allah has bestowed upon you, but you did not consult us in the question of the rule and we thought that we have got a right in it because of our near relationship to Allah's Messenger."
Thereupon Abu Bakr's eyes flowed with tears. And when Abu Bakr spoke, he said, "By Him in Whose Hand my soul is to keep good relations with the relatives of Allah's Messenger is dearer to me than to keep good relations with my own relatives. But as for the trouble which arose between me and you about his property, I will do my best to spend it according to what is good, and will not leave any rule or regulation which I saw Allah's Messenger following, in disposing of it, but I will follow." On that Ali said to Abu Bakr, "I promise to give you the oath of allegiance in this after noon." So when Abu Bakr had offered the Zuhr prayer, he ascended the pulpit and uttered the Tashah-hud and then mentioned the story of Ali and his failure to give the oath of allegiance, and excused him, accepting what excuses he had offered; Then Ali (got up) and praying (to Allah) for forgiveness, he uttered Tashahhud, praised Abu Bakr's right, and said, that he had not done what he had done because of jealousy of Abu Bakr or as a protest of that Allah had favored him with. Ali added, "But we used to consider that we too had some right in this affair (of rulership) and that he (i.e. Abu Bakr) did not consult us in this matter, and therefore caused us to feel sorry." On that all the Muslims became happy and said, "You have done the right thing." The Muslims then became friendly with Ali as he returned to what the people had done (i.e. giving the oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr).
Hadith 2:
Narrated Aisha (mother of the believers):
After the death of Allah's Messenger, Fatima the daughter of Allah's Messenger asked Abu Bakr Asiddiq to give her, her share of inheritance from what Allah's Messenger had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her, "Allah's Messenger said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)." Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Messenger got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of Allah's Messenger.
She used to ask Abu Bakr for her share from the property of Allah's Messenger which he left at Khaibar, and Fadak, and his property at Medina (devoted for charity). Abu Bakr refused to give her that property and said, "I will not leave anything Allah's Messenger used to do, because I am afraid that if I left something from the Prophet's tradition, then I would go astray." (Later on) Umar gave the Prophet's property (of Sadaqa) at Medina to Ali and Abbas, but he withheld the properties of Khaibar and Fadak in his custody and said, "These two properties are the Sadaqa which Allah's Messenger used to use for his expenditures and urgent needs. Now their management is to be entrusted to the ruler." (Az-Zuhrl said, "They have been managed in this way till today.").
References:
Sahih Bukhari - Volume 5, Book 59, Hadith Number 546.
Sahih Bukhari - Volume 4, Book 53, Hadith Number 325.
You Tue, 22 Dec 2009 - 15:50
Re: Fatima angry with Abu Bakr
When Hadhrat Ali (ra) became Caliph, did he take the land?
I doubt this is even a big issue really - most are unawares, and those that are awares know that people had opposing stances due to legitimate reasons.
(Hadhrat Abu Bakr's position was not that it was only the Prophet ﷺ who didn't leave behind physical inheritance, but all prophets, based upon a hadith so twisting it otherwise does no favours.)
malik Tue, 22 Dec 2009 - 16:18
Re: Fatima angry with Abu Bakr
You have failed to grasp the point:
For the daughter of the Prophet (pbuh), inheritance was a big issue.
You Tue, 22 Dec 2009 - 16:26
Re: Fatima angry with Abu Bakr
Her (ra) point of contention was that it was not an inheritance. She (ra) said that she had been given it before hand.
However, there was a dispute over witnesses etc.
malik Tue, 22 Dec 2009 - 22:00
Re: Fatima angry with Abu Bakr
Yes, that is the point.
Prophet's (pbuh) daughter was not believed.
Hence there is definately going to be a scene on the Day of Judgement.
You Tue, 22 Dec 2009 - 22:29
Re: Fatima angry with Abu Bakr
It is not about being believed, but about following the letter.
Yes, if there is punishment, it is for God to give. but at the same time, the actions showed that no one was above the law - it did not matter how much you were trusted, but if you never had the paper work for financial interactions, there was no falling back.
Muhammad Hasna… (not verified) Wed, 23 Dec 2009 - 06:36
Re: Fatima angry with Abu Bakr
Shia Muslims believe that like common people, all Prophets also leave their inheritance to their children. Evidence of this is found in the Holy Quran. God's rule of inheritance is same for everyone
Muhammad Hasna… (not verified) Wed, 23 Dec 2009 - 06:56
Re: Fatima angry with Abu Bakr
http://www.guidedways.com/book_display-book-80-translator-1.htm
Dr Atif Ali Adnan (not verified) Wed, 23 Dec 2009 - 10:12
garden Fidak
I assk onlu one thing from shia that during the regime of Hazrat Ali R.A who is the owner of garden fidak
You Wed, 23 Dec 2009 - 15:34
Re: abu Bakr sub se afzal
stick to english please. Posts in a different language will be deleted.
malik Fri, 25 Dec 2009 - 13:35
Re: abu Bakr sub se afzal
I am a Shia Muslim. I stand with Fatima the daughter of the Prophet (pbuh). She is the truthful one. Anyone who upsets her upsets her father. When her father is upset, God is angery.
Therefore its up the Caliph to worry why he angered the daughter of the holy Prophet. He will have to provide answers. Prophet will decide and sort him out.
We Shia Muslims are with the Prophet and his holy daughter. Thats it.
You will all see what happens on the Day of Judgement.
You Fri, 25 Dec 2009 - 14:03
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
well, I don't think anyone even suggests that she had an ounce of untruthfulness inside her.
When Imam Ali (ra) became the amirul mu'mineen, what was done with the property? (I genuinely do not know the answer to this.)
malik Tue, 29 Dec 2009 - 13:59
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
Sunni muslims say that when Imam Ali became Caliph, he did not reclaim Fadak. He respected Abu Bakr's decision.
Shia muslims say Imam Ali returned the property to its lawful inheritors, the grandsons of the Prophet (pbuh).
Ali was assassinated in 661 on the orders of Mawiya.
The new tyrant took Fadak from children of Fatima. Mawiya assassinated Hasan. Mawiya's son Yazid butchered Hussain. Fadak was once gain made state property.
The following dictators like Marwan and Yazid II kept Fadak for themselves.
When Umar II seized power in the year 717, he decreed that Fadak be returned to the descendents of Fatima. He was a conscientious king.
Later Caliphs again grabbed Fadak and made it public property.
We wait for the Promised Messiah Al Mahdi to come, and sort those who did the injustice.
Ya'qub Tue, 29 Dec 2009 - 15:53
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
Sort out the people who have already died? Instead of them being Judged and Dealt with by God? That doesn't make much sense to me.
Muhammad Hasna… (not verified) Wed, 30 Dec 2009 - 05:45
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
@Malik
please give the link for information. I was actively looking for that.....
malik Wed, 30 Dec 2009 - 16:47
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
God appoints His judges to judge and punish criminals.
You Wed, 30 Dec 2009 - 19:15
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
If that were always the case, there would be no need for a day of judgement.
malik Wed, 30 Dec 2009 - 23:07
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
Does that mean we should get rid of Qadi in sharia courts?
No. Islam has judges to punish crimes and murderers. Thats why we have hanging and cutting off hands etc etc.
Muhammad Hasna… (not verified) Thu, 31 Dec 2009 - 09:56
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
my request for the source remains unattended....... :?:
shabir (not verified) Thu, 31 Dec 2009 - 17:40
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
what allot of u r failing to grasp is the fact that hazrat fatima made a big deal about a piece of land which they thought was rightfully theirs, as weve read in these posts b4 that they even promised to refuse to speak to hazrat abu bakr- all this over a pice of land whichj they thought was theirs,
but what about the khilafa, don't u think if hazrat fatima thought the khilafa was theirs to take based on hereditary grounds (as we see later on with yazid may he be cursed) no one in this world or the next could have stopped her,
there is no way either hazrat abu bakr, hazrat umar or any other major sahaba would have stopped her from claiming the khilafa.
( try getting out of that)
You Thu, 31 Dec 2009 - 17:54
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
No one needs to get out of anything - people are trying to learn and understand about the past. There is no harm in that.
arshad (not verified) Fri, 1 Jan 2010 - 06:34
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
I was eager to read about this matter....
No doubt Hazrat Ali (R.A.) was having great knowledge. I have few questions....
From your conversation I read that Hazrat Abu Bakar, Hazrat Usman and Hazrat Umar were against to give Baghe Fidak to Bibi Fatima (R.A.). WHY HAZRAT ALI in his ruling time had given Baghe Fidak back to Bibi???
Why Hazrat Ali did Bait to Hazrat Abu Bakar....It means Hazarat Ali Nauzbillah did wrong???
Was Baghe Fidak taken by any of our caliph Hazarat Abu Bakar, Hazrat Usman or Hazrat Umar??
I Also ready that Hazarat ALi always with Haq and Haq is with Ali.. SO, why Baghe fidak was not given back in era of Hazrat Ali,,,,, Why Hazrat Ali did Bait for Abu Bakar, Usman and Umar??? I can't say Hazrat ALi was Wrong.....Becuase I love each of them and also Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) were with all of them. They couldn't choose bad personalities for him.
Hazrat Ali = ilam ka darwaza, Saifullah
Hazrat Usman = Gani
Hazrat Umar = Best Ruler (till todate people our religion as well as of other religion beleive it)
Do you think that i still say that Hazrat Ali was wrong......never........but we should keep our senses alive.........Never say that Hazrat Ali was wrong if he did bait in favor of Usman, Umar and Abu Bakar....
Also keep in mind that Hazrat Ali's father was also not Muslim...........so never say others that they were kafir............we should respect the people who were chosen by Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH). You wanna say that Muhammad (PBUH) had chosen wrong persons??? Are you really a Muslim?? Can you imagine that prophet (PBUP) were believing in wrong persons.... Each and every one was having specific characteristic.
We all people just want to satisfy our maslak and nothing more than that......
arshad (not verified) Fri, 1 Jan 2010 - 07:34
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
Hazrat Ali R.A. Father embarrassed Islam lateron.... Although he had given great support to Muhammad PBUH.
malik Fri, 1 Jan 2010 - 13:17
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
unvarified posters are eithers jews or other kafirs who pretend to be muslims. anyone can write PBUH.
You Fri, 1 Jan 2010 - 13:31
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
The whole world isn't against you.
Hammad (not verified) Fri, 1 Jan 2010 - 13:47
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
salam! i hv a shiya frend n hes always saying k hazrat ali RA is far better dan hazrat Abu Bakar RA. in the light of the event u quoted i.e ""There is no enmity between Sayyidina Abu Bakr and Sayyidina Ali radhiyallahu anhu. Infact at one point Sayyidina Ali radhiyallahu anhu stood in the masjid and said that should any man say I am better than Abu Bakr I will lash him.""" cn u give me some reference as 2 where dis thing was taken from?? thanx!
Muhammad Hasna… (not verified) Sat, 2 Jan 2010 - 04:33
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
any source of this?.....this has been a subject of great debate amongst the muslims
Muhammad Hasna… (not verified) Sat, 2 Jan 2010 - 04:35
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
I would be thankful if you provide me with source
Muhammad Hasna… (not verified) Sat, 2 Jan 2010 - 05:07
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
here is a very detailed answer that i found somewhere.....
malik Sat, 2 Jan 2010 - 23:38
Re: BAGHE FIDAK-THE MAIN CONFLICT
We are talking about the fact that Abu Bakr denied inheritance to the daughter of the Prophet (pbuh). She was very angry and died not speaking to him ever again. This means Abu Bakr remains unforgiven. Prophet (pbuh) will decide the issue on the day of judgement.
Pagination
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