adoption

salam,
me n ma family are thinking of adopting a muslim child just wanted to know what does Islam say about adopting, wasnt too sure so i thought id ask u guyz as u ave answers 4 everything lolz
sorry about the slang once again
and looking forward to hearing from u guyz
Allah Hafiz

erm well i dont know what islam has to say about adoption, i cant see any harm in it and also, i think its an absolutely great idea alhamdulillah. The Holy Prophet Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him adopted children didnt he? and also I dont know if this is true or not according to Islam, but i cant see the harm in adopting a child that isnt muslim, but as i said i dont know especially if the child is an orphan?

good luck, with that.
Salaam x

wa'alaykum assalaam, the prophet Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him adopted zayd (ra) who was a former slave, so its sunnah to adopt. the adopted child cannot take on the surname of the new family, he/she must have his/her fathers name and the mahram issue, unless the child is suckled by the mother then only he/she will become a mahram.

I heard a hadith that you would walk hand in hand into jannah with your foster child?

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

Funzo wrote:
I heard a hadith that you would walk hand in hand into jannah with your foster child?

That is correct. InshAllah i hope to adopt one day.

No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy

Naz wrote:
Funzo wrote:
I heard a hadith that you would walk hand in hand into jannah with your foster child?

That is correct. InshAllah i hope to adopt one day.

me too! imagine the satisfaction! itl be one of the best things u can do (i think so anyway)

The Prophet Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him said, "I and the guardian of orphans are like this." He raised his forefinger and middle finger to illustrate the closeness. (Bukhari & Muslim)

i love hadiths like that, they give me this warm feeling inside, have u got anymore Noor? about the prophet saw and his opinions on children?

plenty my darling, insha'Allaah i'll post them up later on tonight.

Fostering is one of the best, the most generous, and the most caring things you can do in today's society. It leaves everyone and anyone with a sense of self satisfaction that they gave a child the life they desrve, however, it is a BIG, BIG resonsibility to take up, especially if you have you own children. You'll have to maintain the atmosphere equal. BUT it is up there, do you understand what i mean by 'up there'? it's quality stuff people! Razz

Adoption on the other hand, is accepting a child for life (and obviously it depends on the child to stay if they wish to after they turn eighteen) << This is where the real challenge begins for the parents ofcourse, since the 'youngling' can think for her/himself so how far will the parents accept the maturity of that child? and rememebring that they have children of their own, which complicates the situation a bit more! Neutral

and like Noor pointed out above, if adopting, the child must keep their biological father's name (the child's surname) and it hurts the person to say, "you didn't even give me your name" to their adopted parents and on the otherside of the room, it kills the parents from inside. Rough stuff people, Maybe it's just me perception (i think it might be Confused )

BUT kicking all that aside, it is one of the bestest of things that you can do... especially if you have the resources to do so... (I absolutely admire child minders- people who take care of your children will you are at work etc., a relief for single parents *thumbs up*) ... I can't believe people with such admiration for children and care by nature exist even today... fascinating! Cool

so yeah give it your best Zahira (and everyone else who has such intentions), and let us know what's hard and what's easy, BUT remembering, all that happens/happened/will happen is due to Allah's will alone!

salam
thank you everyone for replying
hmm soundz tuf bu wer up 4 it
and as 4 the name, we dont mind what the childs called as long as they got us to care for them
thank you everyone again u ave bin a great help
allah hafiz

wednesday wrote:
Fostering is one of the best, the most generous, and the most caring things you can do in today's society. It leaves everyone and anyone with a sense of self satisfaction that they gave a child the life they desrve, however, it is a BIG, BIG resonsibility to take up, especially if you have you own children. You'll have to maintain the atmosphere equal. BUT it is up there, do you understand what i mean by 'up there'? it's quality stuff people! Razz

Adoption on the other hand, is accepting a child for life (and obviously it depends on the child to stay if they wish to after they turn eighteen) << This is where the real challenge begins for the parents ofcourse, since the 'youngling' can think for her/himself so how far will the parents accept the maturity of that child? and rememebring that they have children of their own, which complicates the situation a bit more! Neutral

and like Noor pointed out above, if adopting, the child must keep their biological father's name (the child's surname) and it hurts the person to say, "you didn't even give me your name" to their adopted parents and on the otherside of the room, it kills the parents from inside. Rough stuff people, Maybe it's just me perception (i think it might be Confused )

BUT kicking all that aside, it is one of the bestest of things that you can do... especially if you have the resources to do so... (I absolutely admire child minders- people who take care of your children will you are at work etc., a relief for single parents *thumbs up*) ... I can't believe people with such admiration for children and care by nature exist even today... fascinating! Cool

so yeah give it your best Zahira (and everyone else who has such intentions), and let us know what's hard and what's easy, BUT remembering, all that happens/happened/will happen is due to Allah's will alone!

The thing about fostering is that you can grow really attached to the child so when its time to give them up it must be really hard on the fostering parent. Personally i think its best to adopt but it is really hard esp from abroad (you must have known and developed a bond with the child for a minimum of two years).

No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy

Very true, I love it when you write Naz. Razz

anyhow, a harder thing to do is choosing the child, just imagine you just staring at starry eyes, all full of hope and you can only 'free' one, just the one... this is where your decision making skills are an absolute mess!

Noor wrote:
wa'alaykum assalaam, the prophet Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him adopted zayd (ra) who was a former slave, so its sunnah to adopt. the adopted child cannot take on the surname of the new family, he/she must have his/her fathers name and the mahram issue, unless the child is suckled by the mother then only he/she will become a mahram.

how old was zayd ra wen he was adopted by the prophet pbuh?

For the reasons mentioned above i dont think i could adopt. Because i would want to give the kid my name. Okay, i would probably tell the kid that he was adopted. But the whole not giving him the family name is a lil cruel in my opinon. The kid might feel like he's not part of the family.

And i refuse to be cruel.

nosce te ipsum

watering a plant:

There are 10 plant pots in the house, and they all need watering, You look at the most beautiful one and the one with most distinct features or the one that jsut looks liek any old plant... You only have just the ONE watering can filled with water... quick glance at the plants, flick the light off... and water them all one after the other, roughly measuring the time you water each one, so that your perception doesn't casue any harm ... Now who wants to be cruel? if you had the lights on, you'll see your fav plant and water it a lil more out of admiration... which means there's restricted amount of water for the rest, and i think you get the gist

So instead of watering with just the one can, water the plants with both hands and build a well near by and see the plants flourish... only if you have the resources to do so

that dont make sense.

nosce te ipsum

I know it doesn't ... just trying to confuse everyone! Rolling Eyes

wednesday wrote:
I know it doesn't ... just trying to confuse everyone! Rolling Eyes

nothing new there then lol

still you get what i mean.

nosce te ipsum

Seraphim wrote:
For the reasons mentioned above i dont think i could adopt. Because i would want to give the kid my name. Okay, i would probably tell the kid that he was adopted. But the whole not giving him the family name is a lil cruel in my opinon. The kid might feel like he's not part of the family.

And i refuse to be cruel.

its an order from Allah swt.

zayd ra was first called zayd bin muhammad and then after the revelation it was changed.

Noor wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
For the reasons mentioned above i dont think i could adopt. Because i would want to give the kid my name. Okay, i would probably tell the kid that he was adopted. But the whole not giving him the family name is a lil cruel in my opinon. The kid might feel like he's not part of the family.

And i refuse to be cruel.

its an order from Allah swt.

zayd ra was first called zayd bin muhammad and then after the revelation it was changed.

I know its an order from Allah (swt), that is why it would be best if i didnt adopt (since adoption is not compulsary) bcoz i couldnt do that.

nosce te ipsum

i hear you but saying something is a lil cruel when Allah swt has laid down the law doesn't seem right. 'we hear and we obey' surah nur

Seraphim wrote:
Noor wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
For the reasons mentioned above i dont think i could adopt. Because i would want to give the kid my name. Okay, i would probably tell the kid that he was adopted. But the whole not giving him the family name is a lil cruel in my opinon. The kid might feel like he's not part of the family.

And i refuse to be cruel.

its an order from Allah swt.

zayd ra was first called zayd bin muhammad and then after the revelation it was changed.

I know its an order from Allah (swt), that is why it would be best if i didnt adopt (since adoption is not compulsary) bcoz i couldnt do that.

Why not? Its better than the kid thinking they were actually yours, no? Lying is lying is lying.

All I can remember is the episode of friends when Chandler actually lets a young kid know that he was adopted, and then pays him $50 dollars not to tell his parents.

The frown of a friend is better than the smile of a fool.

wednesday wrote:
Very true, I love it when you write Naz. Razz

anyhow, a harder thing to do is choosing the child, just imagine you just staring at starry eyes, all full of hope and you can only 'free' one, just the one... this is where your decision making skills are an absolute mess!

true true. But i intend on adopting a girl coz the ppl that do adopt tend to adopt boys and no one bothers with the girls. So that kinda makes it a bit easier Doubt

Seraphim wrote:
For the reasons mentioned above i dont think i could adopt. Because i would want to give the kid my name. Okay, i would probably tell the kid that he was adopted. But the whole not giving him the family name is a lil cruel in my opinon. The kid might feel like he's not part of the family.

And i refuse to be cruel.

come on that is by far the lamest excuse i have ever heard. If you explain to the child that Islam does not permit you to give them your name and you give that child love and treat it like your own it will not question its name. I dont have my dads name does that mean to say that he doesnt love me?

No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy

Lol, yes. This does remind me of that friends episode where Chandler accidentally tells that kid he's adopted.lol, i could soo see myself doing that.

Yes, noor. He commands and i obey. But unless it becomes necessary for me to adopt. I would prefer not to. My reason may seem silly to you. But not to me.

nosce te ipsum

Seraphim wrote:
For the reasons mentioned above i dont think i could adopt. Because i would want to give the kid my name. Okay, i would probably tell the kid that he was adopted. But the whole not giving him the family name is a lil cruel in my opinon. The kid might feel like he's not part of the family.

And i refuse to be cruel.

But your name probably came from your father who when coming in to this country had to make up a surname so it really doesnt have sort of attachment to your family lineage.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

Funzo wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
For the reasons mentioned above i dont think i could adopt. Because i would want to give the kid my name. Okay, i would probably tell the kid that he was adopted. But the whole not giving him the family name is a lil cruel in my opinon. The kid might feel like he's not part of the family.

And i refuse to be cruel.

But your name probably came from your father who when coming in to this country had to make up a surname so it really doesnt have sort of attachment to your family lineage.

is that even possible?

yes especially when they come from villages back in the old days they never used surnames they only used nicknames or where they were from, thats why loads of pakistanis have nicknames

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

Funzo wrote:
yes especially when they come from villages back in the old days they never used surnames they only used nicknames or where they were from, thats why loads of pakistanis have nicknames

Really? That's something I didn't know! so what was your nick? Fanzi?

i was born in this country with my dads surname.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

Funzo wrote:
i was born in this country with my dads surname.

why surname and not the forename?