Is it necessary to establish a khalifa?

lesser? him and the intelligence people are resonsible for taking her out

they hosed out all the evidence with water and then later said it was a mistake....geniuses

Between Bhutto, Nawa Sharif & Musharaff... id rather vote for Musharaff. He's the only one whose not been accused of being corrupt. Nor has he stole from the nation. Even tho i may disagree with alot of his actions... id rather he was in power than either of the other two muppets.

So people are happy with the current situation and are not willing to change it? They prefer to live under this so-called 'democracy'? They don't want to be governed under the rules Allah (swt) has set out. They don't want to be ruled over using the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Allah (swt) wants us to re-establish a Khilafah, but alot of people think otherwise. They think they don't have to do anything because Imam Mahdi/Isa (as) will come and sort everything out. That's one of the biggest misconceptions.

Source?

I agree with noor and whos going to lead this khilafah?

What if the house is weak all the piping goes kaput, if the khilafah is weak how will it suceed and will muslims follow its ruling? I hear these HT ideas all the time and sometimes i dont think they think it through.

@Irfan - So what are you saying?

A Khilafah will not exist? A Khilafah shouldn't exist?

@Noor - Give me a few days to gather up the evidence (Quranic verses and Hadiths) along with what we should be doing and I'll give you a more comprehensive answer.

What im saying is that our current situation and time introducing a khilafah might not work because we as muslims are "all over the show", of course i want a khilafah what kind of stupid question is that? all im saying is that we need the muslims to strengthen to build a khilafah.

Some things are for certain: the Muslim world should not be divided into nation states, each with its own corrupt leadership and social injustices. There should not be fighting between Muslims over political power and Muslims should not have greater loyalty to non-Muslims for political reasons: e.g. Bangladesh siding with India to fight against Pakistan or Saudi Arabia giving more money in aid to America after Hurricane Katrina than they did to the Muslim countries after the big Tsunami.

"Whoever amongst you sees anything objectionable, let him change it with his hand, if he is not able, then with his tongue, and if he is not even able to do so, then with his heart, and the latter is the weakest form of faith." (Muslim)

there is not one hadith to say the prophet saw said that there can only be one amir for the world. during the time of the prophet saw there was another state as well as the state in madinah and the prophet saw accepted it (abu basir & abu jandal). during the khilafah of hazrat abbas ra, abu jafar al mansur established his own government. back in islamic history there were islamic states all over the world, in year 325 ah, abdar rahman was the khilafah in spain and at the same time, in baghdad, razibillah was the khilafah. islamic scholars have accepted all them to be proper islamic authorities. this idea of having one leader is the biggest bidah ever!

'if people starting making bayat with two different khilafahs kill the second to make unity'

note, in the hadith, does the prophet saw mention the whole world? the word world is not use nor is this hadith refering to the ummah. the hadith is refering to a situation where some have made bayat with one khilafah and some with another khilafah. this can be understood through another hadith, 'if someone comes to you and you have already agreed on the imarah of a particular man and have become unified through that, and he wants to create disunity in your jama'ah, you should kill him'. jam'ah and ummah are two separate things.

the prophet saw didnt say anything about being one khilafah n that if there is another, he should be killed. but if there is an amir and some comes and challenges this unity then one should be killed. when the prophet saw established the state in madinah, he didnt say i have established khilafah for the world.

if there ever was such a thing that there should be one amir for the ummah, wouldn't it contradict the hadith where the prophet saw says if there is 3 of u on a journey, appoint one as the ameer? the prophet saw allowed his ummah to establish imarah when there are only 3 people, so how it possibly be that the whole ummah of islam with a population of 1.25 b should be limited to one amir?

@ admin: can u create a separte thread plz. shukran.

Why would the Prophet say that? coz Islam wasn't as spread out as it is today. And fact is the Prophet was the ONLY leader.

I am shocked that you think creating unity among the ummah, and ruling based on the Quran and Sunnah is a bidah. May Allah (swt) forgive you.

In the meantime, please read this, or atleast the relevant bits.

http://www.khilafah.com/kcom/images/DawahToIslm.pdf

i would suggest to those of you who can, listen to Shaykh ul Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir ul Qadris lecture called 'the islamic state' it is very comprehensive and will answer your questions. there is also a booklet that has been produced from those lectures called 'the islamic state-true concept and eradicating misconceptions', it is free and should be available from the nearest minhaj centre. both deal with what a khilafah is, its structure and many other issues in the light of the Qur'an and the Sunnah.

just quoting some parts of the booklet:

it is narrated in tirmidhi, book of fitn, ch. of khulafah No. 2226. Musnad of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal vol. 5, pg 220 no 21816. Sunan of Abu Dawud, book of sunnah ch. khulafah no 4646

the Prophet said: The khilafah in my Ummah will only last for thirty years and then it will become a mulk (nations/monarchy)

Qur’an: ‘we have made you into tribes and nations so that you may know each other’

‘if anyone abandons ta’ah (obedience to the legitimate Islamic authority) he will go in front of almighty Allah on the day of judgement without any dalil (evidence from the shariah) and if he dies without bay’at, then his death will be a death of ignorance’ (Muslim)

‘There is a misconception amongst the muslim youth that there should be only one khilafah, a single leader of the ummah. This is in fact a misinterpretation of the Prophet hadith. This hadith applies to any situation in which a group of muslims unite and appoint a leader as the Prophet said even if there are three of you one of them should be appointed leader. What this hadith means that if a number of muslims unite and agree on a leader and make a bay’at of obedience to the head of that grouping, regardless of its size, if any of them were to rebel against that leader and claim to be amir, that rebellion would amount to treason. It does not mean that it is not permissible to have two leaders. That only applied at the time of the khulafa ar rashideen. There is no hadith stating that there should only be one amir in the whole world, from the east to the west and that there cannot be two.’

‘if people start making bay’at with two different khalifahs kill the second one (to maintain unity)’ where is the word world mentioned?

Does it give both sides of the argument from a non-bias point of view?

Thats not showing both sides of the argument is it? they could show both sides and then give a conclusion in favour of one side. Showing both sides of your argument doesnt mean being mediaocre in your view.

its not about agreeing or disagreeing about the subject for the sake of it. its about looking at both sides of the argument in the light of Qur'an and the Hadith. it is not only a matter of reading the translations of some Hadith and applying them to a subject, Usool ul hadith and usool of tafsir have to be used.

the lecture gives both sides of the argument, explaining references used by both sides. one can only make their mind up after listening to both sides, i should know my uncle is in the inner circles of HT (and is well versed in his argument) and i am a member of Minhaj ul Quran, therefore i listened to both sides of the argument with an open mind and made my own decision.

i am not against the concept establishing khilafah in every muslim state, i only disagree with the fact that khilafah does not mean that only one amir can be appointed as a global system. Also by establishing khilafah we can only establish the system, we cannot continue the khilafat of the khulafa e rashideen, as some people think.