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You suddenly care what Irshad Manji says. Why
No it's just that she's still being presented by the media as a scholar (whether they specify islamic or not they're still wrong) and I'll take any opportunity presented to debunk this.
I'm still trying to work out what the point of the Pope's speech was though. Faith and reason should run together. Okay fine but what do you do with that?
Where does he see Catholics acting against reason that he feels obligated to say this?
Just like if you look at that one particular quotation without reading the entire speech you miss the point of the speech, if you look at that one particularly speech without reading the previous speeches in the series you miss the point of the whole trip.
He was addressing the place of religion in Western Society, why we are afraid of it in the public sector and why ultra-secularism is not a solution to the mistakes we made in an age of faith without any reason.
His [url=http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0915/p01s01-woeu.html]audience[/url] received the message quite well.
But some would say that many of the positions he holds on social issues go against reason.
Plus isn't this all 200 years too late.
the pope said that muslims are violent, evil ppl
and the muslims go and shoot a nun
:roll:
[b]Pope says he was misunderstood.[/b]
Pope Benedict XVI has told pilgrims at the Vatican that his remarks on Islam which angered Muslims around the world had been "misunderstood".
He expressed his "deep respect" for Islam during his weekly audience.
"I included a quotation on the relationship between the religion and violence. This quotation unfortunately was misunderstood. In no way did I wish to make my own the words of some medieval emperor," he told thousands of faithful.
"I wish to explain that not religion and violence, but that religion and reason, go together. I hope that my profound respect for world religions and for Muslims who worship the one God and which help to promote peace, liberties, justice and moral values for the benefit of all humanity is clear.
"I trust that after the initial reaction, my words at the university of Regensburg can constitute an impulse and encouragement toward positive, even self-critical dialogue both among religions and between modern reason and Christian faith," he added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5362788.stm
to me those ppl that make a song and dance about these situations are nothing but hypocrites
they have abandoned the Quran and have not emulated muhammads sunnah- yet they have the nerve to go crazy over stuff like this! its insane! :roll:
they may rever/idolise muhummad, yet they have took no notice of his messege, i am shocked by the yanabi.com team giving him a god-like status :shock:
i is not surprised when allah sed in the Quran dat most ppl is gonna be in hell.
[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]
lol I like how they called him ignorant and violent then promptly went out and torched a Greek Orthodox Church.
Ohh the irony.
That has absolutely no bearing on the intention of his speech.
Nor does this.
I'm not terribly certain what it is Muslims want from this guy. He was speaking to Christians about an issue facing Christians in the secular west, was misquoted and apologized and explained himself to the peripheral world.
I didn't say it did. My point was I don't understand what material issues he's trying to address. Unless his speech was supposed to be purely rhetorical.
How about nothing?
That was overboard and I was out of line. I'm a new Catholic, reverence for the Holy Father does not come easily, I am learning though. My apologies, glad to see you are back it's been quite a while.
Once I actually read the speech and not the sound bytes I have to agree, it was very good and very appropriate given the climate.
Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes
Hey I never said I knew everything!
...I just implied it
well come back Mark!
its been a while maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
[color=red]"The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] [/color]
Yeah it's been a long while I'm surprised you still remember me. Thank you and I'll try to be here more often.
The Pope Must Die.
Anyone seen that movie?
A lot of muslims seems to be renting it out.
I wonder why.
you're a clown Omrow.
Have you seen Stephen King's 'it'?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
It was made in 1991 I think. Checked it out on imdb and it seems pretty funny, plus it stars Robbie Coltrane. (Guy from cracker)
Nice quote:
Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes
Its a cracker.
Well, now that Al Qaeda has threatned to kill the Pope,
the sequal may be based on real events.
Benedict "should be removed from his position immediately for encouraging war and fanning hostility between various faiths" and "making insulting remarks" against Islam, said a joint statement issued by the clerics and scholars at the end of their one-day convention.
The "pope, and all infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad). ... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," it said.
The meeting was organized by the radical Islamic group Jamaat al-Dawat, which runs schools, colleges and medical clinics. In April, Washington put the group on a list of terrorist organizations for its alleged links with militants fighting in the Indian part of Kashmir.
The meeting came after the pope said Sunday he was "deeply sorry" about the reactions to his remarks and that they did not reflect his own opinions.
He said Wednesday that he has "deep respect" for Islam, but he did not offer an apology that was demanded by some Muslim leaders offended by his remarks in Germany last week.
The pope acknowledged that his remarks were open to misinterpretation, but insisted he had not intended to endorse a negative view of Islam.
In Germany, Benedict cited the words of a Byzantine emperor who characterized some of the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad as "evil and inhuman," particularly "his command to spread by the sword the faith."
"This quote unfortunately lent itself to be misunderstood," the pontiff said Wednesday. "In no way did I wish to make my own the words of the medieval emperor. I wished to explain that not religion and violence, but religion and reason go together."
The clerics and religious scholars said they did not regard Benedict's latest comments as an apology.
"The pope has neither accepted his mistake, nor apologized for his words," it said.
The statement also said jihad was not terrorism and that "Islam was not propagated with the sword, but it became popular and was accepted by the oppressed peoples of the world because of its universal values and teachings."
"Jihad is waged to rid an area, state, or the world of oppression, violence, cruelty, and terrorism, and bring peace and relief to the people. History is full of incidents where Muslims waged jihad to provide relief to people of many faiths, especially Jews and Christians," it said.
Pakistan is the world's second most populous Muslim country, and its people have held small, peaceful rallies since the publication of pope's remarks about Islam.
I never would have known about the speech if muslims hadn't made such a big deal about it.Probably a lot of people wouldn't have known about it, muslims just call attention to themselves when they riot and people are tired of them griping about every thing.
I aint in Pakistan.
And as I said previously, there Friday is almost synonymous as a day of protest. they just need a topic. any topic. The clerics will whip up sentiment at the friday prayers, and after that there will be protest.
If you are lucky, something will be lit on fire. And on sapecial occasions effigies will be burnt.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Shaykh Hamza Yusuf on the Pope's remarks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onX9kGF3uYs&mode=related&search=
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