Submitted by Dave on 29 June, 2006 - 01:28 #31 "Vedeno" wrote: Quote: They are actually defending Beslan and Shamil... I seriously can't believe this, I mean here I am saying "the Chechens have a right to fight off the Russians" "the russians are child killing psychopaths in Chechnya" and I'm admiring chechen leaders like Maskhadov, but decry ONE truly rotten individual who runs off and does the exact same things the Russians do and the whackjobs work themselves out of the woodwork to defend him?! As ive said to you before , try reading a post before replying , FOR GODS SAKE! No-one that i know defends Beslan (i do explain what happened though and why)- Shamil himself basaically said that he regretted what happened. People WILL defend Shamil coz he's the one Chechen that has lead the nation to victory before. The guys a hero in Chechnya for his past military achievements. His anger at the death of Chechn children made him overstep the mark in Beslan - and he has like a man offered to pay the price and go on trial for what happened when the war is over. Thats as much as he can do at the moment. So to sum up , we dont defend Beslan , we do defend Shamil. We accept he made mistakes. We acknowledge and applaud his decision to pay the price for his mistakes. We support all his military operations against soldiers. One or two mistakes wont make us hate him - regardless of how much you rant and rave. Have a nice day Mr Karnage. lol you make excuses for Beslan then sheepishly tack on "but I'm not defending Beslan!" to the bottom. Yea, that's defending Beslan you idiot. http://www.therevival.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1970 Quote: Firstly why did it happen. The answer to this can be seen in the first war . During the first war Chechen commander Shamil Basayev led a hostage-taking of a hospital in the town of Buddenyvosk. From this hostage-taking , the Mujahideen were able to secure a small ceasefire which was they used to regroup and - led again by Shamil Basayev - attacked and recaptured their main cities thereby forcing the russians out and ending the war and the genocide of their people. In the Buddenyvosk operation the Mujahideen did not kill the hostages. This was also the intention of Beslan. They did not go their to kill children but to get a ceasefire , stop the genocide of their people and liberate them. This is my personal favorite. "We took hostages in a hospital the first time (wow... I mean really... wow) and since that worked we thought a school would be a great idea!!" If you put armed men in a building filled with children, put all the children into a room filled with explosives, and then proceed to kill said children - your intention was to kill children. A mistake is when I took a left turn on my way to lunch and ended up in North Charleston, planning and executing an attack to kill as many children as possible is criminal. Unless you are saying they all accidentally fired their guns numerous times and set off their explosives accidentally thus resulting int he deaths of the children - then it's just reckless behavior. Sort of like running with knives... except with guns explosives and children. You are defending the Beslan attack - period. Quite coldly at that, it's rather amazing. Crawl back down whatever hole brought you here.