HURRICANE KATRINA HITS THE U.S.

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Well this event will scar Americans for a long time.

It has undertones of racial tension,, unequality inside society etc. which could easily boil over.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

In a live broadcast of a telethon or something Kanye West said 'George Bush doesn't care about black people'. Left Chris Tucker, who was on next, flabergasted.

I am also strongly inclined to believe that because it was mostly blacks who were suffering the government didnt really pay much attention.

Bush is such a fool, why cant the american voters see that? He came to the disaster area and jokes about some local officials house and says dont worry we gonna build him a new one so he can have bbq or summat similar.

what is with the man? He is a fool and i feel sorry for those black ppl cos they got an idiot running their country.

Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

This event has sown the seeds of discontent. Now they will either flower, or the issues will be dealt with.

In spain the seeds of discontent were sown. The main syptom was the madrid bombings.

However after regime change, the new regime actually dealt with the underlying issues (not just Iraq), and the roots have been mostly cut, bringing about a better society.

American society is fast approaching a crossroad.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

[color=red]most accurate comment about this crisis was made by rapper kayne west...

he put it simply....

"GEORGE BUSH DOESNT CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE"

blatantly true....

He was asked on some US news network, along with actor mike myers, to ask for help for the victims....and to kiss the ass of george bush....he used the opportunity to tell the truth...and, unusual among american celebrities, he deviated from the script written for him by cowardly journalists.

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Myers: [i]The landscape of the city has changed dramatically, tragically and perhaps irreversibly. There is now over 25 feet of water where there was once city streets and thriving neighborhoods.[/i]

(Myers throws to West,)

West: [i]I hate the way they portray us in the media. You see a black family, it says, "They're looting." You see a white family, it says, "They're looking for food." And, you know, it's been five days [waiting for federal help] because most of the people are black. And even for me to complain about it, I would be a hypocrite because I've tried to turn away from the TV because it's too hard to watch. I've even been shopping before even giving a donation, so now I'm calling my business manager right now to see what is the biggest amount I can give, and just to imagine if I was down there, and those are my people down there. So anybody out there that wants to do anything that we can help -- with the way America is set up to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off, as slow as possible. I mean, the Red Cross is doing everything they can. We already realize a lot of people that could help are at war right now, fighting another way -- and they've given them permission to go down and shoot us![/i]

(West throws back to Myers, who is looking like a guy who stopped on the tarmac to tie his shoe and got hit in the back with the 8:30 to La Guardia.)

Myers: [i]And subtle, but in many ways even more profoundly devastating, is the lasting damage to the survivors' will to rebuild and remain in the area. The destruction of the spirit of the people of southern Louisiana and Mississippi may end up being the most tragic loss of all.[/i]

(And, because Myers is apparently as dum..b as his Alfalfa hair, he throws it back to West.)

West: [i][color=red]George Bush doesn't care about black people[/color]![/i]

(Back to Myers, now looking like the 8:30 to La Guardia turned around and caught him square between the eyes.)

Myers: [i]Please call [/i]. . .

At which point someone at NBC News finally regained control of the joystick and cut over to Chris Tucker, who started right in with more scripted blah, blah, blah.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

Watching CNN earlier, when they started to show the sob stories, it reminded me alot of Najaf.

New Orleans is almost like the American Najaf. One a victim of man-made destruction, the other natural destruction.

But the pics of beloxi (sp?) look like a smaller scale banda aceh.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

I remember one of the old boxing forum that I used to visit and the people from the south of America used to have a disdain for New Orleans and the peopel that lived there. They used to call it hell on earth. As always its the poor people on earth that have to suffer. All we can do is pray for their well being.

"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."

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I'm still not buying this racist garbage. That's a pretty heavy insult - especially down South.

The black caucus has been making noise - since they don't like being irrelevant, but there is nothing that indicates the feds weren't prepared because there were a lot of black people in New Orleans.

I don't think the europeans really get it... the South is majority black. When they see so many black people on their screens they start to scratch their heads and think conspiracies - but that's just the way things are down here.

There is a great divide of wealth, largely the result of less opportunities due to lack of funding et cetera, consequently many of the poor are colored. But I don't think the feds were targeting the poor to kill off black people, or ignored the problem because they figured nobody cares about blacks so it wouldn't be a big deal.

I just think they weren't prepared. Not for any particular reason other than they are inept for the job. I don't think any part of America has had an experience like this before. I suppose I could stretch my imagination to accept that the feds figured nobody cared about a few poor stragglers, so there shouldn't be a heavy exertion.

Which is pretty cold and callous, but not racist.

Well it probably was exactly like we saw it here...

I remember saying after the hurricane that it does not seem to be as bad as predicted. So did many other people, and pundits.

However soon it was realised it really was that bad.

Probably not racist, just lack of focus.

Saying that, a city below sea level should be prepared.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

I don't think the destruction would have been as bad if the feds (army corps of engineers and FEMA) had prepared for the scenario in which the levees broke and lake Pontchartrain poured back into the city.

They were prepared for hurricane but not lake Ponchartrain.

That's the administation's fault.

The loss of life (primarily poor people) due to not escaping is the collective fault of the city state and feds. They flat out abandoned the poor - providing little if any public transport out.

Finally this disasterous cleanup is pretty squarely the admins fault - they waited something like 5 days before taking definitive action.

That's inexcusable - Mississippi won't forget this

my fault?!?

Unfortunately there is enough blame to go all around.

It was a strategic disaster.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

"Admin" wrote:
my fault?!?.

Well if you would have killed that damn butterfly before it flapped it's wings we wouldn't be in this mess!

From elsewhere...

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[b]War on Weather[/b]

Following the recent events here are some of the steps I expect the Bush administration to take following the disaster in the US South:

* raise a big War on Weather media drama with looping images of Katrina on all TV channels

* fund a multi billion dollar research program with friends from the military lobby to find if clouds may turn into potentially dangerous weather and to finger print them

* also fund the deployment of large weapons-like lasers along the US coast to vaporize potentially harmful clouds

* assign the department of Homeland Security the extra task of fingerprint detection of clouds entering the US territory

* try to invade Cuba based on the obvious fact that they have developed Clouds of Massive Destruction targetting the US

* provide the oil industry pumping in the carribean with army support and cloud destruction weapons to operate quietly in the future

The good old techniques always work ...

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

you may not buy it D,

but thats how it looked...

if the victims were bush supporting rich boys, do u think the situation would have been handled better?

USA luvs to boast about being the richist nation on earth, yet they couldnt do more to help?

heres 2 reasons why so many people were left to fend for themselves among the rapists, looters and junkies...

1...george bush, and his cronies, are completely incompetent and couldnt organise a proverbial in a brewery

2..."george bush doesnt care about black people"

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

"St George" wrote:
you may not buy it D,

but thats how it looked...

if the victims were bush supporting rich boys, do u think the situation would have been handled better?

USA luvs to boast about being the richist nation on earth, yet they couldnt do more to help?

heres 2 reasons why so many people were left to fend for themselves among the rapists, looters and junkies...

1...george bush, and his cronies, are completely incompetent and couldnt organise a proverbial in a brewery

2..."george bush doesnt care about black people"

Like I said none of ya live in the South - this is my backyard.

Now i'm not gonna debate the academic merits of a prominent rapper. Lord knows they have plenty of "street creds" to talk about major domestic policy. However I don't care what color kanye is - hes a punk from illinois that doesn't live in the South, has been growing up on Northern propaganda since he was a kid, and will jump at the opportunity to throw the race card at us whenever he get's the chance.

Like I said the majority of people in the South are colored - that's a fact, we are a way more diverse nation than anywhere in Europe - it is unfortunate that due to the economic conditions of urban settings and this ridiculous way we distribute taxes, there are less opportunities for people in urban settings to get ahead in life.

And unfortunately many of those people in urban areas are colored.

It's not so surprising that there are so many poor colored people - and it's not terribly shocking that they didn't have a way to get outta NO - except of course that the city blatently failed to provide transportation out - didn't even ask federal assistance in the process.

They were flat out left behind.

Now I have never run a disaster evacuation so I am not in a position to criticise the work of Mayor Nagin in the evac before the hurricaine - but I guarantee you he didn't leave people behind because he's a racist.

Hes black.

I'm guessing the city was flat out unprepared for this kind of disaster and was hoping that FEMA would provide some assistance in saving the levees - so that it wouldn't have mattered if 50,000 people were left behind at the drop spots.

In that scenario there would have been very little flooding and they could have simply walked out the superdome and been supported by land based ex post facto FEMA support.

But FEMA failed to secure the levees.

Why?

Cuz the president is a racist?

That's total nonsense, many of the people left behind were white - sickness and age don't know race, but they do prevent you from leaving. Poverty isn't race specific either, there are a large number of whites behind.

And besides - that's just another unsupported liberal conjecture designed to further degrade the South and put the dems in a more strategic spot for the next election.

No we all know why FEMA failed. Gutting and political appointments.

Happened during the Reagan admin to FEMA, continued through Bush I, then hurricane andrew crushed florida and consequently Bush almost lost florida in the election (oops). Then Clinton came in and reinforced it, brought back programs gave it more funding and appointed experts rather than political friends.

That all went to hell when Bush II came in - somethin about the reps and FEMA, he appointed his buddy Joe Allbaugh and he cut programs like he had nothing better to do - especially disaster mitigation programs. (Where do ya think we got our tax rebates from??)

Meet Joe Black

Joe was bad, but when Bush announced his new appointment Mike Brown to replace Joe the country was flat out confused. It's another political appointment.

What are Browns credentials?

Hes Joe Allbaugh's buddy since college (I think they were roommates)...
He's a loyal republican...
He was Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association

but he lost that position cuz he was cheating...

THE GUY HAS ZERO EXPERIENCE WITH ANYTHING RELATED TO DISASTER RELIEF.

But he did do whatever he was told and slashed FEMA even more (it's not even FEMA anymore... it's some rediculous suboffice of Homeland Security).

The feds weren't unprepared cuz there are black people in the South - that's absurd, they were unprepared because the admin has crushed FEMA into philo dough and appointed political friends to chair the destruction.

No wonder the New York Times called him a "blithering idiot"

Somehow I doubt Europe knows any of this. They see the black caucus assemble and "reserve judgement on whether race played a card, but very concerned" and a buncha guys with southern accents and bam the kkk is running FEMA.

"irfghan" wrote:
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[size=18]Bush to lead inquiry into Katrina [/size]
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US President George W Bush says he will lead an investigation into how the Hurricane Katrina disaster was handled. [/b]

Not likely to find himself culpable. :roll:

lol he's "very disappointed" at how his administration is handling this.

If he were President he would have this whipped into shape.

Oh wait...

u still pushin the party line eh D?

so bush aint a racist? yeah right....

leave it out D....this aint practice for ur future career as a lawyer...that big long post proves nothin...

kayne is one of ur fellow americans....why shuld i believe u over him? hope it aint cos he black.... cos he from Chicago? so what?...many victims i seen on tv are damn sure that white rich ppl would have been helped much more...

he just sayin what lots of black victims are reporting...like they say....would bush have done more if they were republican voting cowboys from texas, or rich bankers in new york?

but ok....perhaps it was more a class issue than a race one....either way it stinks

but even if u leave aside the racist issue.....it still leaves the other point....bush and his friends are incompetent fools, of the first order, and shuld take responsibility for this screw up...

the land of the free? i heard bangladesh is offering US aid over this disaster!!!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

"St George" wrote:
u still pushin the party line eh D?

I'm a Southerner - race destroyed our homes, tore our communities apart, kept our Southern brothers in bondage, and is the perpetual embarassment of our otherwise proud history - we take it a lot more seriously than power grabbing congressmen or foreigners who have never stepped one foot on our soil - met our people - or spent 24 seconds tryin to understand our complexities.

You don't just call somebody a racist around here without proof. That might work up in Boston or on the other side of the Atlantic, but last I checked Mississippi is still Dixieland - that's my backyard.

"St George" wrote:
so bush aint a racist? yeah right....

Got some evidence? Other than Kanye's personal opinions? Maybe a racist comment Bush made?

I have stated frankly this mess is his fault - and his handling of the situation is appalling - failing to prepare and then blaming others in the fallout - but I aint gonna call him a racist if he isn't one. I have heard no racist comments from him, seen no racist actions. And as for this specific disaster all the evidence clearly shows he didn't take FEMA seriously - gutted it - and when disaster struck there was nothin left.

"St George" wrote:
leave it out D....this aint practice for ur future career as a lawyer...that big long post proves nothin...

Lawyer? What's that got to do with anything.

I was rather hopin the articles in my "big long post" would do the proovin - and I would connect the dots.

"St George" wrote:
kayne is one of ur fellow americans....why shuld i believe u over him? hope it aint cos he black.... cos he from Chicago? so what?...many victims i seen on tv are damn sure that white rich ppl would have been helped much more...

Why should you believe Kanye over me? Because he's famous? He doesn't live anywhere near Mississippi - doesn't understand the culture. I am and I do. He has never worked in government at all to the best of my knowledge - I have. He doesn't exactly cite many outside sources making you rely entirely on his opinion - I didn't.

"St George" wrote:
he just sayin what lots of black victims are reporting...like they say....would bush have done more if they were republican voting cowboys from texas, or rich bankers in new york?

lol cowboys from texas bankers in new york slavers in the south and hicks in the mountains. That's america in a nutshell - can you break out of the stereotypes for a minute or two?

I haven't heard any black victims of the hurricane sayin anything about racism - wouldn't surprise me if they did. There are a lot of people and it is the South - but it doesn't mean they are right.

Since you brought up the conjecture of what would have happened if his "friends" the "rich bankers" in New York (NE and the MidAtlantic didn't vote Bush incidentally... they are traditionally liberal - you knew that I hope) the articles and papertrail going back to 2004 clearly show that FEMA would have been unable to assist any better. They are underfunded with fewer programs - inept leadership that thinks Louisiana is a city. Hell there isn't any FEMA anymore - it's something like Office of the Undersecretary of Disaster Relief inside the Homeland security office - it's not even cabinet level anymore. - Fact is - if this happened anywhere else there is not much more the feds coulda done.

"St George" wrote:
but ok....perhaps it was more a class issue than a race one....either way it stinks

Yea it's just as bad. But for somebody who takes racism as seriously as we do, we don't like to see the race card thrown around for political purposes or any other reason.

"St George" wrote:
but even if u leave aside the racist issue.....it still leaves the other point....bush and his friends are incompetent fools, of the first order, and shuld take responsibility for this screw up...

Yep. Should - think they actually will?

I find that doubtful. They will just blame the state since the blaming the city would have too many costly political casualties.

"St George" wrote:
the land of the free? i heard bangladesh is offering US aid over this disaster!!!

Is there something wrong with that? Nations get hit by disasters - doesn't matter how free or rich you are - and that is always destructive.

Definitely not always this destructive.

When it is particularly destructive I think it's nice to see nations of all sizes of all shades of wealth and sometimes even despite their problems coming together to help suffering people.

That's one of the wonderful things about humanity - I doubt Bangladesh has much to offer - like Sri Lanka and it's offer of 25,000 even though they are still destroyed by the tsunami. But I am deeply touched by their offer, and I have to admit times like these make you feel like a bit of a hypocrit for the realpolitik we all return to when these moments pass.

So what is wrong with Bangladesh offering to help?

I haven't seen any hint of Bush being racist but I also haven't seen any hint of him running his own administration.

Why is it his dad and Clinton raising the relief fund instead of him?

"salaf" wrote:
I haven't seen any hint of Bush being racist but I also haven't seen any hint of him running his own administration.

Why is it his dad and Clinton raising the relief fund instead of him?

Bcoz they happen to be a few inches taller than him.

But i'll let you do the measuring.

Back in BLACK

"salaf" wrote:
I haven't seen any hint of Bush being racist but I also haven't seen any hint of him running his own administration.

Why is it his dad and Clinton raising the relief fund instead of him?

They are organizing the private effort - which is completely normal

but

Organizing the private effort is generally a one time deal - no group press conferences or conferences past that. I suspect he is so close with them right now as a press stunt, to deflect some of the negative press going his way, and because he just flat out doesn't know what he is doing.

God help us if he is actually asking his father how to deal with the federal efforts - he's the genius that screwed over Florida during hurricane Andrew, we can also thank him (since he was essentially president while Reagan was crazy at the end of the admin) for his wonderful efforts during hurricane Hugo.

That was a nightmare - I still remember the damage and I was just a kid.

[color=blue][b]It’s a shame and humiliating to see third world countries who are offering help to one of the Greatest and Powerful Nation in the world. Tell me this is a dream. Hello America! :shock: Indeed;Katrina will leave a hideous scar in the heart of America. I am speechless and Dave please stop preaching to people that what ever is going on in the United States is not racism :roll: then i wonder what is it? let me put it in this way i saw this on another forum and would like to qoute it. It will make alot sense when u read it[/b][/color]

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American thus far has meant WHITE. Named after Amerigo Vespucci, white dude. The people who made the Consitution were all rich WHITE MALES. - The people who wrote the Bill of Rights were all WHITE MALES. - The people who made the decision to go into every single war have been WHITE MALES. - Every President in American history has been a WHITE MAN. - The WHITE statue of liberty. - The WHITE majority of Senators. - The WHITE majority of Cogressmen. - The WHITE majority of Billionaires on the Forbes 400 List- The WHITE majority of military generals, and military officiers in general. - The WHITE MALE faces on Mount Rushmore. - The WHITE MALES faces on every single paper bill currency (slave masters and killers of native americans on our money). (90% OR MORE OF THE GOVERMENT IS WHITE) The media 95% white.

Life is like a taxi. The meter just keeps a-ticking whether you are getting somewhere or just standing still. -- Lou Erickso

"jamal253" wrote:
[color=blue][b]It’s a shame and humiliating to see third world countries who are offering help to one of the Greatest and Powerful Nation in the world. Tell me this is a dream. Hello America! :shock: Indeed;Katrina will leave a hideous scar in the heart of America. I am speechless and Dave please stop preaching to people that what ever is going on in the United States is not racism :roll: then i wonder what is it? let me put it in this way i saw this on another forum and would like to qoute it. It will make alot sense when u read it[/b][/color]

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American thus far has meant WHITE. Named after Amerigo Vespucci, white dude. The people who made the Consitution were all rich WHITE MALES. - The people who wrote the Bill of Rights were all WHITE MALES. - The people who made the decision to go into every single war have been WHITE MALES. - Every President in American history has been a WHITE MAN. - The WHITE statue of liberty. - The WHITE majority of Senators. - The WHITE majority of Cogressmen. - The WHITE majority of Billionaires on the Forbes 400 List- The WHITE majority of military generals, and military officiers in general. - The WHITE MALE faces on Mount Rushmore. - The WHITE MALES faces on every single paper bill currency (slave masters and killers of native americans on our money). (90% OR MORE OF THE GOVERMENT IS WHITE) The media 95% white.

What's humiliating about being offered aid from third world countries? We were hit by a hurricane - that's a big deal. It's a matter of compassion - they see people suffering and want to help, I am sick of this junk about looking at third world nations as uncivilized imbeciles who don't really matter to us until they have some sort of natural resource to exploit. We shouldn't look down at them just because they are poor - that's absurd.

Sri Lanka offered us 25,000 dollars of money they probably don't have and if they did would need every penny to rebuild after the tsunami. Bangladesh offered us money. Kosovo - who have suffered so much in the last decade. There are many nations

Ranging from the very poor to the very wealthy - muslim nations like UAE and Turkey, Christians, Hindus - South Americans, Asians. I think we have a real opportunity here - the world is showing us it doesn't really hate us and rather than looking at them through our noses and scoffing them off as "petty third world nations" I think we should accept their generous offers - and take it as a second chance at renewing good relations with these people. Arrogance shouldn't be an option.

Not sure what you mean by "whatever is going on in the United States" oh there is plenty of racism - especially down south. BUT being unprepared for a national disaster because you don't take FEMA seriously isn't racism, that's just bad leadership.

As for your "evidence" that the failed relief effots are a white conspiracy - could you give us some sources or something. Even assuming all your numbers are correct, what precisely is your point. Whites are still the [i]majority[/i] in this nation - stands to reason you would see more of us.

I'm sorry if we are visually offensive to you - we'll be sure to hide in corners and such. :roll:

And how is that even remotely relevant to what is happening in the South right now? Ohh wow there are lots of white people in American history - [i]naturally[/i] they are all racist since everybody knows whites are out to destroy blacks. Ergo nobody is being sent down to help in the relief efforts. Nevermind the FACT that there is no longer a FEMA, never mind it's chaired by a guy with no background in disaster relief (but does know a lot about arabian horses and was the former chief's college room mate) never mind the fact that allbaugh cut the Hazard Mitigation Grant Program (HMGP) in half 2003, and never mind the fact there was a 23% reduction in money going to state level emergency relief and nearly 200 million to cut programs from FEMA itself as well as earmarking 3.5 billion of the already shrinking FEMA budget for other homeland security departments that have nothing to do with disaster relief.

And never mind there is no more FEMA thanks to Bush's buddies - it's the Undersecretary of Emergency Preparedness and Response part of the Homeland Security Department.

Because that would all be irrelevant - no no it's far more relevant that there are white males on paper money.

Whatever.

Face it - FEMA was gutted, batted down with political appointments and just flat out not taken seriously. The national guard is oversees on the other side of the world. They didn't do anything because they [i]couldn't[/i] do anything and now Bush is blaming everybody (including his admin) but himself.

That's not racism - that's appalling leadership.

generosity is not exclusive to the rich. Nor is compassion.

On the other hand, it's the poorer who are generally generous and compassionate.

Its not shameful to donate, or ccept it in time of need.

Admittedly America as a whole probably does not need it, but the individuals who are affected do.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

[color=red]take it easy D...dis aint ur uni debating society...

btw...dum b gerogi dont know how to do dat smartass multiple quote thing...so i gonna put ur "evidence" in italics...[/color]

[i]I'm a Southerner - race destroyed our homes, tore our communities apart, kept our Southern brothers in bondage, and is the perpetual embarassment of our otherwise proud history - we take it a lot more seriously than power grabbing congressmen or foreigners who have never stepped one foot on our soil - met our people - or spent 24 seconds tryin to understand our complexities.
You don't just call somebody a racist around here without proof. That might work up in Boston or on the other side of the Atlantic, but last I checked Mississippi is still Dixieland - that's my backyard.[/i]

[color=red]i was callin bush, and his pals, racist, not you..but the fact his administration are so cack handed leads me, and millions others, to believe that he doesnt give a rats ass about poor black ppl...ur articles prove jack...

as the south has a terrible track record on race, dont u think bush shulda done more, at least to avoid the inevitable accusations of racism, as well as save his own sorry, redneck, ass?[/color]

[i]Why should you believe Kanye over me? Because he's famous? He doesn't live anywhere near Mississippi - doesn't understand the culture. I am and I do. He has never worked in government at all to the best of my knowledge - I have. He doesn't exactly cite many outside sources making you rely entirely on his opinion - I didn't.[/i]

[color=red]kayne is black...so surly he would understand his own community more than a rich white kid...he was just telling it as he, and millions of black amricans, saw it....how do u understand black culture more than him? i heard bare black victims complaining about racism in the last few days...the fact dat u boast about "ur experience in government" proves nothin other than ur own bias[/color]

[i]lol... cowboloys from texas bankers in new york slavers in the south and hicks in the mountains. That's america in a nutshell - can you break out of the stereotypes for a minute or two?

I haven't heard any black victims of the hurricane sayin anything about racism - wouldn't surprise me if they did. There are a lot of people and it is the South - but it doesn't mean they are right.

Since you brought up the conjecture of what would have happened if his "friends" the "rich bankers" in New York (NE and the MidAtlantic didn't vote Bush incidentally... they are traditionally liberal - you knew that I hope) the articles and papertrail going back to 2004 clearly show that FEMA would have been unable to assist any better. They are underfunded with fewer programs - inept leadership that thinks Louisiana is a city. Hell there isn't any FEMA anymore - it's something like Office of the Undersecretary of Disaster Relief inside the Homeland security office - it's not even cabinet level anymore. - Fact is - if this happened anywhere else there is not much more the feds coulda done.[/i]

[color=red]so FEMA screwed up? didnt bushy boy say “u doing a great job micheal” to the head of that very body? the morals of ur officals run about as deep as the surface...bush didnt give a shit... bush is a moron...he shuld resign, along side our own moron, liar, mr tony ‘phony boloney”, blair

the whole "usa is a land of equal opportunities" is complete horse s**t,

just like my own country...its all about the money...aint a damn thing funny...u gotta have a con in this land of milk and honey

and thats comin from someone who loves the USA and its people...

and there is nothin wrong wit the kind hearted ppl of bangladesh, one of the poorest countries in the history of humanity, offering help....but it shames the USA that the gov coulndt do more to help its poorest, and darkest, “citizens”

D, stop playin...ur country used to have a hell of a lot of friends around the world...u losin them at a rapid rate...stop tryin to deny the obvious truth...the rich of the usa couldnt give a tinkers toss about their own poor ppl...so it is no suprise that the rest of world r also regarded as inferior scum by ur gov...

sorry D, but u cant except ppl to ignore the truth, especially when it stands in front of us as tall and proud as a mountain...[/color]

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

I have changed my opinion on this matter.

I am now of the opinion that there was institutional racism incolved.

Not malicious racism, but decisions were taken to benefit one community more than another based on the colour of skin.

While evacuating the astrodome etc, a decision was made to evacuate the fair coloured people first. Now that is racism.

The decision was made because the authorities did not want them targetted by racists. However, instead of choosing the right answer (maybe creating diffeent zones for different people), they chose to evacuate based on the colour of skin.

It was not a malicious decision, but the effect is the same. You are prioritised on the colour of your skin. If you are black, tough luck. You must wait. You must let the white people leave first. You are not as a high a priority for evacuation.

I would love to know who the plonker was who thought 'hmmm... we may have racist incidents...' 'Eureka!' 'Lets evacuate the white people first!' The cure cure and the problem were created at the same time. at the same time.

Also a brit quit with the aid effort after he was branded racist. He may not have been one, but his actions were. He was evacuating just white people from mixed and predominantly black areas of the city.

The evacuation of the city was orchestrated in an institutionally racist manner.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

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