Pakistan is one of the best countries in the world.

Certainly better than Bosnia.

I didn't know there was an Independence Day thread.

As you know, I've recently been to Pakistan. One of the things I 'discovered' whilst I was there was that we shouldn't be so certain that our futures lay only in Britrain. There is so much we could do for Pakistan if only we were willing to give it our time and energy. We could build schools, clinics, hospitals, colleges and there is enormous potential for business entrepreneurship.

This idea of getting married in Pakistan just so that as many people can get a red passport and be shipped out of that God-forsaken country is just plain wrong. We should be willing to settle in Pakistan. Every Pakistani family in UK should have at least one or two children who live and settle in Pakistan. This way if ever we feel the need or are compeled to leave the UK we have something in place for us in Pakistan - and there's no massive grab for houses, land, and resources.

As for British Pakistanis adopting fights against injustices in foreign lands - there's plenty of injustices to fight against in Pakistan. Human rights abuses, political misrepresentation, economic exploitation are all things which find pride of place in Pakistan. And it's not as if we don't have the power to change things. Pounds go a long way in Pk. We can print pamphlets and newspapers, lobby the gov, hold rallies (OK I'm getting ahead of myself). Powerful local and tribal yokels are always holidaying in England - we can lobby them whilst they're here.

All I'm saying is we shouldn't give up on Pakistan. It's not a "poor third-world country" - or at least it doesn't have to be. It has alot of potential and we should maintain and strengthen our links. It would be just wrong if we left it to the "pakis".

"Saadia Khan" wrote:

sum1 said sorry i didnt quote, but money in pakistan doesnt get u ne where!! wrong if u have money in pakistan the best place to live, ok not free education but its good education use ur brain a bit and they give u scholarships, which then the british eventually offer u 2!! u can have the nicest houses and the nicest cars, and the beauty, makes kew gardens look like a play park!!

To live like a king providing you have money isn’t hard to achieve in most third world countries, but the thought of living in opulence and driving around a Mercedes, while nothing but poverty dominates the landscape is rather off-putting.

"Admin" wrote:

Proof that he is qadiyani?

And no matter what bad things Musharaf has done, he has done far better than his predecessors. Noone is perfect, but he is above average from a very bad bunch.

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You should search for it, You may also find articles of Musharraf praising the brave murderer Arial Sharon for being a heroic general, May find Musharraf eulogy and his thoughts on Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

none of those prove he is a qadiyani.

"Admin" wrote:

none of those prove he is a qadiyani.

http://www.yanabi.com/blog/categories.cfm?catid=44

Scroll down to June 19, 2006

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

"Admin" wrote:

none of those prove he is a qadiyani.

http://www.yanabi.com/blog/categories.cfm?catid=44

Scroll down to June 19, 2006

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All this money will be wasted and people will be required to pay this plus ten times interest to the IMF and World Bank which are real masters of Shaukat Aziz who is a known Qadyani. His father was Engineer at Radio Pakistan Karachi and was an active preacher of Qadyaniat, similar to Pervazi Msuharraf whose fatehr was active preacher of Pervaiziat; another Zionist fitna. So Pakistan is now in more firm grip of Qadyanis and other Non Muslims and agents of Zionism

That's not proof or evidence. It's just someone saying what you're saying.

And Qadiyanis are taking over Pakistan!?!? Get real.

That is just a blog posting.

I will drop it as it is of no use to have this discussion. Neither of us can do anything either way.

"Beast" wrote:

And Qadiyanis are taking over Pakistan!?!? Get real.

I believe it to be true, a country that spends 80% or 70% of it’s GDP on it’s military must be planning something.

"Sirus" wrote:

Qaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah fought hard for a land for the muslims, a land free from british rule and persecution from the other religions, for OUR LAND

How did i miss this quote, this man was the biggest fraud in Pakistan history , he was an opportunist , wasn’t his blood that paved the foundations to established Pakistan, he was to busy drinking whisky and sampling the delights of hog meat.

If he fought hard for the Muslim, then why is Kashmir still occupied, why is it 180 Million Muslims in India are still in India?

"Exquisite" wrote:

[color=red]erm..........

[b][size=18]MASSIVE CONGRTZ GUYS ENJOY[/size][/b][/color]

Does that mean cake will be served shortly?

No don’t urge them on to hire cars and act like nationalist idiots on this day.

[color=magenta]i didnt mean in that way im not being nationalistic nor am i encouraging anyone to be we all knw no culture is superior than any other and the thng that shud unite us is the fact that we are all Muslims[/color]

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

"Exquisite" wrote:

[color=red]erm..........

[b][size=18]MASSIVE CONGRTZ GUYS ENJOY[/size][/b][/color]

Does that mean cake will be served shortly?

No don’t urge them on to hire cars and act like nationalist idiots on this day.

Yeah. Save that for Eid.

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

"Beast" wrote:

And Qadiyanis are taking over Pakistan!?!? Get real.

I believe it to be true, a country that spends 80% or 70% of it’s GDP on it’s military must be planning something.

Maybe they're planning a war India.

Or they're building really big headquaters for themselves and giving each other massive pensions.

Or they need to maintain the nuclear arsenal.

Or they're using it to bribe tribal leaders in Baluchistan and NWFP.

Or they're funding their polical allies in parliament.

But no. Yeah, you're right. The Qadianis are building up a massive army with which to subjugate a whole nation of 120 million people.

(How many Qadianis are in Pk anyway?)

"Exquisite" wrote:

[color=magenta]i didnt mean in that way im not being nationalistic nor am i encouraging anyone to be we all knw no culture is superior than any other and the thng that shud unite us is the fact that we are all Muslims[/color]

Then this rotten day only creates more disunity- if we are to ever unit it will be under banner of Islam and not a flag.

"Beast" wrote:

Maybe they're planning a war India.

Or they're building really big headquaters for themselves and giving each other massive pensions.

Or they need to maintain the nuclear arsenal.

Or they're using it to bribe tribal leaders in Baluchistan and NWFP.

Or they're funding their polical allies in parliament.

But no. Yeah, you're right. The Qadianis are building up a massive army with which to subjugate a whole nation of 120 million people.

(How many Qadianis are in Pk anyway?)

Perhaps it doesn’t seem as far fetch as I once imagined.

Don’t know the answer to your question, but it's your country and have an affiliation with it then change it.

Oh yes the continuing feud with India and the need to arm itself to the teeth to defend itself from Indian invasion, while spending on military increases leaves hardly any change to resolve the poverty. Good economic policy

http://www.iiop.org/index3.php?recordID=71

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So, whilst all these Extremist are running around causing havoc, why is Pakistan army being used selectively in containing its own radical elements in its own land and in the neighbouring country of Afghanistan. If these radicals were to raise the cross or the star of David would it make the Pakistani army offer sanctuary instead of repression? I suppose it would comply with Musharraf’s Islamic outlook as he is busy removing Jihad from Kashmir, Afghanistan and from the text books. If he can get way with it even from Quran, why else there are so many heretical Qadianis in prominent position within the Pakistani leadership and intelligentsia. Rumour has it that Musharraf himself is either a descendent of Qadiani or his wife who is thought to be of Qadiani origin

"*_Noor_*" wrote:

Yup have to agree, Musharraf is just another puppy of bush and blair.
Pakistan should get rid of him but i doubt that will ever happen.

Should ask Dr.TuQ what he thinks about Musharraf.

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

"Beast" wrote:

Maybe they're planning a war India.

Or they're building really big headquaters for themselves and giving each other massive pensions.

Or they need to maintain the nuclear arsenal.

Or they're using it to bribe tribal leaders in Baluchistan and NWFP.

Or they're funding their polical allies in parliament.

But no. Yeah, you're right. The Qadianis are building up a massive army with which to subjugate a whole nation of 120 million people.

(How many Qadianis are in Pk anyway?)

Perhaps it doesn’t seem as far fetch as I once imagined.

Don’t know the answer to your question, but it's your country and have an affiliation with it then change it.

Oh yes the continuing feud with India and the need to arm itself to the teeth to defend itself from Indian invasion, while spending on military increases leaves hardly any change to resolve the poverty. Good economic policy

http://www.iiop.org/index3.php?recordID=71

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So, whilst all these Extremist are running around causing havoc, why is Pakistan army being used selectively in containing its own radical elements in its own land and in the neighbouring country of Afghanistan. If these radicals were to raise the cross or the star of David would it make the Pakistani army offer sanctuary instead of repression? I suppose it would comply with Musharraf’s Islamic outlook as he is busy removing Jihad from Kashmir, Afghanistan and from the text books. If he can get way with it even from Quran, why else there are so many heretical Qadianis in prominent position within the Pakistani leadership and intelligentsia. Rumour has it that Musharraf himself is either a descendent of Qadiani or his wife who is thought to be of Qadiani origin

Rumor has it...

That says nothing about any Qadiyani conspiracy to overrun Pakistan.

Don't waste your time with this stuff.

salaam

My dear Brother shazan i take it ur going through a tough time maybe you have a very big chip on ur shoulder!! I expected you to have more brains than go on what u hear and read!!

if there are still muslims in india thats up to them they arnt forced to live there!! kashmir is still occupied because of insaani fitrat and greed!! thats down to latter people who ruled.

oh and it takes the country as a whole to get rid of poverty, doesnt happen overnite and cant be done by one person!!

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*_Noor_* wrote:
Yup have to agree, Musharraf is just another puppy of bush and blair.
Pakistan should get rid of him but i doubt that will ever happen.

Should ask Dr.TuQ what he thinks about Musharraf.

May be i should put this in the Adab thread why all the hatred for a elderly and very Knowledgeable scholar.

do u guys not know what Islam teaches about teachers!!! Your love and respect for them?? iam quiet disappointed actually pple are stating they have been taught by, in jamia didnt they teach you a loving glance at your teacher gives u soo much sawaab!!

These people are teaching Quran and Sunnah, how dare you sit there and slander these ppl!! no am not just taking sides i would be upset regardless of which scholar it was.

But then again i dont think i could blame you, living in a western country and being bought up to ignore and disobey our school teachers who teach us about duniya!! u wouldnt be able treat these pious people who are teaching Allah's words and our beloved Rasools sunnah!! AstagfiruAllah may Allah guide us all along the sirat-ul-mustaqeem

Going back, noor if Musharaf hadnt agreed to co-operate with US and Britain do u really think that u wud be sat so comfortable at home, the britsh would hate the pakistanis and they would have us living in this country!!

and when muslims cant marry a person except if they are from there parents country thats down to jahiliya/ lack of knowledge!! would u marry a pakistani?? Alhamdulilah i know my parents wouldnt mind its just backwards thinking!!

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My dear Brother shazan i take it ur going through a tough time maybe you have a very big chip on ur shoulder!! I expected you to have more brains than go on what u hear and read!!

I have a few issues, when the lives of Muslims and their property, dignity is being violated.

Don’t play the role of a buffoon Khan, Cleary you support Taghut leaders

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if there are still muslims in india thats up to them they arnt forced to live there!! kashmir is still occupied because of insaani fitrat and greed!! thats down to latter people who ruled.

Which proves not all Muslims subscribed to the idea of two-nation theory, for instance the false pretence in which a hog consuming leaders established your country. And Pakistan have abandon Kashmir- always been a thorny issue, leave it to the Mushirks to continue their butchering, very noble of Pakistan, but who cares, you have a lovely shack in Pakistan, you are not being occupied nor killed.

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oh and it takes the country as a whole to get rid of poverty, doesnt happen overnite and cant be done by one person!!

How can it, when 70% of it’s GDP is spent on a military, who’s only deployment involves killing Muslims (In Pakistan and Bangladesh!), but enjoy your holiday abode while your country decays.

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May be i should put this in the Adab thread why all the hatred for a elderly and very Knowledgeable scholar.

One that supported Musharraf and his crusading alliance is not worthy of my respect or any God fearing believer ..

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do u guys not know what Islam teaches about teachers!!! Your love and respect for them?? iam quiet disappointed actually pple are stating they have been taught by, in jamia didnt they teach you a loving glance at your teacher gives u soo much sawaab!!

And Allah warms us in following the deviates

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These people are teaching Quran and Sunnah, how dare you sit there and slander these ppl!! no am not just taking sides i would be upset regardless of which scholar it was.

TUQ isn’t no teacher of mines. Nor do I get my knowledge from him.

Very pious man who forsaking his brothers and sisters in Afganistan, to advance his own business empire, very noble of him indeed.

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But then again i dont think i could blame you, living in a western country and being bought up to ignore and disobey our school teachers who teach us about duniya!! u wouldnt be able treat these pious people who are teaching Allah's words and our beloved Rasools sunnah!! AstagfiruAllah may Allah guide us all along the sirat-ul-mustaqeem

TUQ isn’t no teacher of mines. Nor do I get my knowledge from him. He's teaching is only pacifying Muslims

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Going back, noor if Musharaf hadnt agreed to co-operate with US and Britain do u really think that u wud be sat so comfortable at home, the britsh would hate the pakistanis and they would have us living in this country!!

You care more about your public image then the lives of the innocent? Already been told by Allah this world is a prison for us. Sorry but Pakistan has always had a tainted with a bad public image, and your naive in thinking cooperating with the dijaalic forces that there promises with materialize into anything.

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and when muslims cant marry a person except if they are from there parents country thats down to jahiliya/ lack of knowledge!! would u marry a pakistani?? Alhamdulilah i know my parents wouldnt mind its just backwards thinking!!

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And an idea that is imbedded in nationalist minds, one that is being promoted here.
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"Beast" wrote:

This way if ever we feel the need or are[b] compeled [/b]to leave the UK we have something in place for us in Pakistan - and there's no massive grab for houses, land, and resources.

Beast, you don't think you are likely to be booted out of Britain at any time in future?

:?

"Beast" wrote:

I didn't know there was an Independence Day thread.

As you know, I've recently been to Pakistan. One of the things I 'discovered' whilst I was there was that we shouldn't be so certain that our futures lay only in Britrain. There is so much we could do for Pakistan if only we were willing to give it our time and energy. We could build schools, clinics, hospitals, colleges and there is enormous potential for business entrepreneurship.

This idea of getting married in Pakistan just so that as many people can get a red passport and be shipped out of that God-forsaken country is just plain wrong. We should be willing to settle in Pakistan. Every Pakistani family in UK should have at least one or two children who live and settle in Pakistan. This way if ever we feel the need or are compeled to leave the UK we have something in place for us in Pakistan - and there's no massive grab for houses, land, and resources.

As for British Pakistanis adopting fights against injustices in foreign lands - there's plenty of injustices to fight against in Pakistan. Human rights abuses, political misrepresentation, economic exploitation are all things which find pride of place in Pakistan. And it's not as if we don't have the power to change things. Pounds go a long way in Pk. We can print pamphlets and newspapers, lobby the gov, hold rallies (OK I'm getting ahead of myself). Powerful local and tribal yokels are always holidaying in England - we can lobby them whilst they're here.

All I'm saying is we shouldn't give up on Pakistan. It's not a "poor third-world country" - or at least it doesn't have to be. It has alot of potential and we should maintain and strengthen our links. It would be just wrong if we left it to the "pakis".

Good post...

I somewhat agree with you...however, I don't feel that the above is practical or feasible, simply and only because of the large amounts of corruption back home.

Paki's are big on money, having the right links/connections and class/caste etc

Thats why its a lot harder even for a sincere hard worker to do even the most simple things the "legit" way.

"latifah" wrote:

"Beast" wrote:

This way if ever we feel the need or are[b] compeled [/b]to leave the UK we have something in place for us in Pakistan - and there's no massive grab for houses, land, and resources.

Beast, you don't think you are likely to be booted out of Britain at any time in future?

:?

I don't think it's a guarentee that we are here as permanent residents.

Integration didn't stop what happened to European Jews or Bosnian Muslims.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

Good post...

I somewhat agree with you...however, I don't feel that the above is practical or feasible, simply and only because of the large amounts of corruption back home.

Paki's are big on money, having the right links/connections and class/caste etc

Thats why its a lot harder even for a sincere hard worker to do even the most simple things the "legit" way.

If we ignore Pakistan it will become more corrupt and further stuck in its ways.

I think Western Muslims' Islamic revival has given us a new set of values with which we can tackle caste systems and corruption.

Things will only get harder if honest people sit back and do nothing...

"Beast" wrote:

If we ignore Pakistan it will become more corrupt and further stuck in its ways.

I think Western Muslims' Islamic revival has given us a new set of values with which we can tackle caste systems and corruption.

Things will only get harder if honest people sit back and do nothing...

Ever since it got it’s independence , for the last 59 years your country is beyond corrupt, don’t let it get to another 59 years then it really would be doomed, if not already .

Has the MinHaj gange failed in their policy to install social justice? Perhaps Pakistan and Justice are two opposites, like marriage and adultery.

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

Perhaps Pakistan and Justice are two opposites, like marriage and adultery.

Now look who's being nationalistic...

"Beast" wrote:

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

Perhaps Pakistan and Justice are two opposites, like marriage and adultery.

Now look who's being nationalistic...

Oh you have a short memory. Because of Pakistani nationalism… you know what follows.

Clock in ticking, back your suitcase and bring Shariah to your land. Insha'Allah........

Shazan can you say two good things about pakistan?

:twisted:

"Admin" wrote:

Shazan can you say two good things about pakistan?

:twisted:

You want an apology- deliver one when there’s justice.

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

"Admin" wrote:

Shazan can you say two good things about pakistan?

:twisted:

You want an apology- deliver one when there’s justice.

No I do not want an apology.

In the relevant topic, I told you to apologise to MuslimSister for implying she is a zombie.

I would advise you to do so. And quickly. before my patience runs out.

And you are being nationalistic by not being able to see anything good at all in a whole nation. I may have been joking at first, but it's borderline racist.