What kicked off all of the above..?

Indirectly/directly many people here, (including myself) and esp the "Minhaj brigade" have been accused of being Mushriqs, jahil/juhaal, Munafiq's etc their teachers have been accused of being Kafir, slanderous comments regarding "dancing on graves/worshipping graves" etc have reg been made.

I have never, ever stooped down to Med's direspectful/insulting level. I know that insults doesnt make anyone argument any stronger, if anything it just shows the person up.

However, this doesnt mean that he should be allowed get away with the way he attacks others, esp the MQ lot and their teachers.

He can preach whatever he wants, its a free world. People have a right to believe what they want.

However, his attacks on people's Iman and teachers etc needs to be heavily moderated.

And Reg: stirring up the fact that people call my sister a "bitch" on PM, I know for a fact it cant be the likes of Admin, Ed, Angel, Sirus, Dust, Noor, yash, laila etc... and that doesnt really leave a awful lot of "people" who feel that way...so it might be someone who's admitted to slandering her in the past, or it might be someone who isnt even a regular here....

I'm going to Manchester for the weekend.

Take Care guys.

[color=magenta]As'salaamu alaykum

wht is going on?????this was probably boiling up for ages and had now erupted i dont want to add fuel to the fire by getting involved but i just want to say i never heard of minhaj org before i joined this forum and to be honest i dont see any problems n the ppl on this forum who are joined to it are one of the most nicest ppl i knw and med brother u have certain ideas i may disagree with but mashaAllah u are a knowledgable brother.You have so much energy n determination if only that same energy n determination was used to help unity the ummah it woud be fantastic Obviously there are certain areas where ppl are going to differ but this doesnt mean we have to go proving ourselves in this sort of manner where we attack ppl personally or slander groups etc yes there is freedom of speech but there is a particular way of criticising when u disagree with somethng, there is enough disunity in the ummah n look guys we are the youht if we are gna fight like this how is the future gna look for the generation of muslims we bring into this world? i knw this aint gna blow over anytime soon but please stop this especially with ramadan round the corner.Ok enuf from me may Allah SWT unite this blssed ummah.Ameen[/color]

"Admin" wrote:

LilSis - ALLAH put hidaayah in your heart and save you from being the [b]****[/b] that ppl on PM have been calling u.

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Mr Admin can I ask why Med is allowed to openly state that he backbites me on PM with other members who refer to me as a "BITCH"

can I ask why you havent banned the word "BITCH"

can i ask why you havent moderated the words "BITCH" and are actually asking for my opinion on this?

i have called Med a lot of things here in retaliation for him accusing people of being kafirs and mushriqs-

i have had an issue with his hypocrisy on how he bangs on about imaginary bibbah and shirk, and sunnah of the Prophet

but cnt can even avoid basic haraam and halal and can see nothing wrong with hitting on a engaged sister on this forum, see's nothing wrong with accusing peoples teachers of being kafirs, uses smileys after declaring them haraam and reg calls us all jahil etc

[size=24]BUT I HAVE NEVER EVER LET LOOSE MY FRENCH ON HIM[/size]

I dont get why u wanted my opinion?

did you WANT to see my reactionary response in being called a "BITCH"?

Bad of me, but if I ban Med, I do not want there to be anyone that can say 'Admin that was uncool. You just ganged up on him and forced him out for no reason'.

I have four-starred the word in the above posts.

Med has admitted to participating in slander, has used bad language and has called muslims mushrik.

It's a scoresheet, and I am sorry if I am doing my accounting openly, but I feel my decision needs to be beyond reproach.

I apoligise to those who feel offended either by my views, or by views I failed to edit.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

What kicked off all of the above..?

One of the tpics in which he was gearing for a fight was locked by 'Ed. Rightly so, as all it was doing was getting scholars slandered.

Med is nothing but a trouble causer. Ban him.

Anyone using swear words to describe the women on this forum must be banned.

I agree with Dave. I don't know why the hell he was even considered to be allowed back.

I wish you would do the right thing admin and ban him.

Dont we all..

ok, I think I must explain a few things here. It may not look good on me, but that is the way I am.

Med's assaults were pre-planned. He wanted it all out before the second half of Shabaan started. You know Laylatul Bara'ah and all that.

His actions were premeditated. This means he abused the hospitality I showed towards him.

If I ban him now, it will make no diference to him, as he is not planning on returning til after the end of Ramadan.

And I can be pretty petty. So upon his return, he will be banned. You know, so he knows I can also premeditate my actions. It will hurt him more, as there is a good chance he will have forgotten about other incidents. He will feel wronged. Just what I want.

So, all Mods be aware. Do not ban him until he returns. After that, first one to the ban button wins. (also send me a PM to let me know it has been done.)

(There is a possibility that he will read this public post, and decide to settle scores with his last posts, but that is a risk I am running.)

And yes, this is petty, but he has smacked my hospitality slap bang into my face. It seems no good deed goes unpunished.

And when he is banned, I expect a backlash. It will look all kinds of unfair. But that is how I now want it to look.

I can honestly say I've learnt a lot from this forum.

I've learnt that there are countless mushrikeen and juhhaal propogating shirk in the name of Islam - and more importantly having spent too much time on this forum I have realised how wonderful the work of Imam Ibn AbdulWahhab rahimahullah, Faisal ad-Dawleesh rahimahullah etc was and is in the propogation of Tawheed.

My humble du'a at the end is that ALLAH hasten the day when the Armies of Tawheed enter Lahore and Delhi and Multan and Ajmer as conquerors - and that our eyes be cooled with the sight of the destruction of the Shrines and with the levelling of the graves. ameen

See ya Losers.

In the words of Shaykh AbdulAzeez arRiyadhi -

Barelwi Kaafir Kaafir.

Laa ilaaha ilALLAH wahdahu laa shareeka lah,
wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan Abduhu wa Rasuluhu wa Khatimin Nabiyyeen.

There is no deity save ALLAH alone and with no partners,
and I bear witness that Muhammad is His Slave and His Messenger and the Seal of the Prophets.

Well, that was quicker than I was expecting.

So long and thanks for all the fish.

(and noone edit Med's post above, even though certain people will find diferent parts of it offensive.)

LOL

Wooo hoooooooo!

Cyaa hypocrite im sure no1 here will miss u!

That was disappointing

"Medarris" wrote:

See ya Losers.

Bye.

Have a nice Sha'baan and Ramadaan.

Make du'a for me Med, for all those who are ill, for all those seperated from guidance and for all those whose hearts are not flying on wings of Mercy.

May Allah Ta'ala forgive all those who say not nice things regarding the Ulema and Holy Pious people for the sake of those Ulema and Pious People, whose Love and Mercy for us all know no bounds.

im going to miss the grandiloquence

Assalamu Alaikum,

people, I aint much of a poster on this forum, but I try to be as neutral as possible when i do post... inshaAllah.

We all have favourite Shaykhs Alhamdulillah, and we try to better ourselves as Muslims as much as we can...,

what we must also take into account is Allah likes the ones who are humble and not those who are arrogant, now, Tahir ul Qadri is no more special than the next scholar who [b]pass the message [/b]of Islam,

now what I have noticed from TuQ's website is he has too many photo's of himself,

1, photo's are haraam
2, makes him look vain

noor ur avatar is an example of too much veneration.

veneration of anyone besides Allah is shirk.

we all love our beloved prophet(SAW) but we dont all make a song and dance of it..

we simply make dua for him, and pray durood.
all else is Bid'ah.

"*_Noor_*" wrote:

"(*_Kamilah*" wrote:

noor ur avatar is an example of too much veneration.

..and how do you work that one out? Its just a picture for goodness sake!

How the hell is the worshiping?!

My Shyakh doesnt teach me to idolise him!

How do i work that one out lemme see....

well first of Allah a good shaykh will NOT allow himself to be photographed not to mention pose the way he has..

his website is full of his pics....i mean whats going on?

has he put up his modelling portfolio..? that screams vain.
his disco hat?

why have a photograph of HIM he is no special than the next sholar of islam?

"(*_Kamilah*" wrote:

Assalamu Alaikum,

people, I aint much of a poster on this forum, but I try to be as neutral as possible when i do post... inshaAllah.

We all have favourite Shaykhs Alhamdulillah, and we try to better ourselves as Muslims as much as we can...,

what we must also take into account is Allah likes the ones who are humble and not those who are arrogant, now, Tahir ul Qadri is no more special than the next scholar who [b]pass the message [/b]of Islam,

now what I have noticed from TuQ's website is he has too many photo's of himself,

1, photo's are haraam
2, makes him look vain

noor ur avatar is an example of too much veneration.

veneration of anyone besides Allah is shirk.

we all love our beloved prophet(SAW) but we dont all make a song and dance of it..

we simply make dua for him, and pray durood.
all else is Bid'ah.

Have you ever met Shyakh ul Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri?

Did i once say hes better than any other Scholar?

If he wants pictures of him up then Allhamdulliah thats totally up to him.

Photos are not haraam. Pictures are just a reflection of its orginal source. Its like saying looking in the mirror is haraam. The first camera was invented by a Muslim. However image making is haraam. To draw a picture of another life, that is haraam.

Makes him look vain? :roll:
Thats just your opinion, keep your insultive comments to yourself in the future. Show some respect, hes older than you.

How is my avatar an act of Ibadah? If i want a picture of my beloved Shaykh then i will have it. How the hell is that worshiping? For goodness sake its only a picture! My Shaykh doesnt teach us to idolise him!

we all love our beloved prophet(SAW) but we dont all make a song and dance of it.. Why shouldnt we? Why shouldnt be praise our rasul? The 1 hu will intercede for us on DJ, Ther are no limits of loving, praising the rasul of Allah. If we want to show our love to our beloved rasool to the rest of the world thats your problem. Deal with it.

"(*_Kamilah*" wrote:

Assalamu Alaikum,

Wa Salaam

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people, I aint much of a poster on this forum, but I try to be as neutral as possible when i do post... inshaAllah.

cool

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what we must also take into account is Allah likes the ones who are humble and not those who are arrogant, now, Tahir ul Qadri is no more special than the next scholar who [b]pass the message [/b]of Islam,

Shaykh ul Islam would agree with you on that.

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now what I have noticed from TuQ's website is he has too many photo's of himself,

1, photo's are haraam
2, makes him look vain

Shaykh ul Islam does not run/maintain any websites, those about him are run by those who follow and love him. (Hence the photos)

1./ There is a [size=24][b][u]valid[/u][/b][/size] differance of opinion regarding the legality of photos.

2./ Again, website is run by those who love Shaykh ul Islam.

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noor ur avatar is an example of too much veneration.

veneration of anyone besides Allah is shirk.

Please prove to that having love for Allah SWT and His Messenger SAW more than any other thing or person and that loving poeple for the sake of Allah SWT and that praising them is actually associating partners with Allah SWT

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we all love our beloved prophet(SAW) but we dont all make a song and dance of it..

I have evidance in the Sahih of Al Bukhari RA and in the exgesis of Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani RA and from the riwayah of Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal RA that is contrary to what you said.

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we simply make dua for him, and pray durood.
all else is Bid'ah.

If this statement is said with knowledge, then some of the actions of The Holy Companions RA In the Prescence of The Beloved Prophet SAW fit into your definition of Bid'ah astaghfirullah. (This is not an insult or a rant, Repentance is virtous but not a daleel) That would lead your defintion of Bid'ah into what mathematians call proof by contradiction. Hence your blanket satement:

"All else is Bid'ah"

Is invalid .

After all that I would like to conceede, yeah okay my name is not Noor.

Sorry.

"(*_Kamilah*" wrote:

"*_Noor_*" wrote:

"(*_Kamilah*" wrote:

noor ur avatar is an example of too much veneration.

..and how do you work that one out? Its just a picture for goodness sake!

How the hell is the worshiping?!

My Shyakh doesnt teach me to idolise him!

How do i work that one out lemme see....

well first of Allah a good shaykh will NOT allow himself to be photographed not to mention pose the way he has..

his website is full of his pics....i mean whats going on?

has he put up his modelling portfolio..? that screams vain.
his disco hat?

why have a photograph of HIM he is no special than the next sholar of islam?

Again plez cud u keep ur PERSONAL views about my beloved shayke to youR self .

i take it u haven't seen in him in person urself , becasue if u wud have u wudnt be uttering such vail out of your mouth.
How dare u say such things about my shakye like this , i havent knw anyone on here thats tlked ill about another scholar in islam especailly a scholar thats brought so much for the deen if u bothred to read about some on teh wrks of minhaj u understand how much they have brought to teh ummah . if it werent for minhaj or shayke i wud have still be wondering on teh lost path shayke has guided me onto teh rigth path.
u nt happy that another sister God willingly has awoken and made aware of her purpose in life the reality in where her true destination lies.

AND all thIS about pictures of him agian if u sat in his BLESSED company u see HE DOES NEver poses . iz he not allowed to sit the way he likes to sit. he cant postion his hand they way he wats to .i sat in his company serval times he rested his hand by his face , is that posing i dont think so. u tellign me u havnt seen anyone wen sitting down put their hands agaisnt their face .
how dare u say such a thing

wen i see my shayke picture i instantly think of my deen know u sayign its not a good thing.

if a sister sees a sister dressed modestly doesnt instantly think oh that the way i sud dress as a muslim. muslims. islam she is reminded of her faith,

by seeing his bless face and the humbleness and how much love he has for the king of the univeres our beloved prophet peace be upon him i get reminded on how much love i need to have for my prophet saw ultermily by loving the prophet i am coming closer to Allah swt .

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Have you ever met Shyakh ul Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri?

no thanks, I dont go meeting shaykh's, I listen to their lectures, and take nasihah from them and thats that.

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Did i once say hes better than any other Scholar?

er..no...but, why are u venerating him So much..to the extent that you have a picture of him posing on ur avatar?

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If he wants pictures of him up then Allhamdulliah thats totally up to him.

AllahuA'lam...

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Photos are not haraam. Pictures are just a reflection of its orginal source. Its like saying looking in the mirror is haraam. The first camera was invented by a Muslim. However image making is haraam. To draw a picture of another life, that is haraam.

suggest you go to reliable shaykhs for that one.

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Makes him look vain? :roll:
Thats just your opinion, keep your insultive comments to yourself in the future. Show some respect, hes older than you.

InshaAllah i will respect my elders., why should i respect someone who takes Allah's name in vain for the pleasure and benefit of himself?
leading ppl to form yet another group and venerate him?

hmm...yes we all love our beloved prophet,

he didnt make a song and dance of himself (na'uthu billah) nor did he engage in song and dance nor did he practice or encourage it...therefore doing anything like the:

performin arts rituals berelwi come out with

hanging up chrismas lights
disco hats
and all the other Bid'ah that goes on

its not normal nor is it practised by others except TuQ's followers.

by the way.... why doesnt your "beloved Shaykh" have a shari' beard?
claims to love ur beloved prophet(saw) but yet he doesnt even observe a important sunnah he seems to care very much about his appearance.

Tbh I've been reading this revival forum for a long while now and I dont see anything much wrong in what Med wrote. He seems passionate about opposing shirk and innovation and I have to say I agree with him 100% - I'd strongly recommend you to find out what the sunnah is and what bid'ah is and follow the one and not the other etc

If we truly love our beloved prophet(saw) we should spend our nights in seclusion, praying constant nawaafil Salaah, keeping fasts...our beloved prophet(saw) used to spend the whole night in seclusion with Allah standing in prayer, making dua, pondering over the verses revealed to him

We ummati's should spend our time doing all of this and emulating the SUNNAH of our beloved prophet(saw) pondering over the hadith
and the lives of the sahaabah Iqram.

as you may be aware, i live in the north west of england, and Tahir ul Qadri's followers are referred to as Barelwi's?
now im just telling you how it is.
people call you bid'ati's?

do you know the meaning of Bid'ah?

yes i have seen some of the work Minhaj ul Quran do, however there is good and bad in everyone..

Masha'Allah may ppl be rewarded accordingly, for the good they do.

but we are advised to take the good from it and leave the bad behind.

and to enjoin good and forbid evil.

May Allah save us all, and bring us to the
siratul Mastaqeem....Ameen

Good Evening everyone.

Let's be absolutely clear about this, Med was banned for a host of reasons chiefly what he said to lilsis. After the Zarqa affair we have no tolerance for members who disrespect the women on the forum like that. If you call the ladies on the forum "bitc.h," you're simply no longer welcome, especially if you are on your second and final chance. Med knew the rules, Med broke the rules, Med is no longer welcome here.

I'm sorry that I was one of the people who brought him back, I had no idea he talked like that.

The issue is dead, although this business about Shaykh Tahir ul Qadri does seem to pop up alot. I suggest we make a thread on the topic of him and his organization so that we know more about them and those that have questions can ask them [u]respectfully[/u].

"(*_Kamilah*" wrote:

people call you bid'ati's?

Who are these "people"?

May Allah have Mercy upon you and give you hidaya.

I request every1 on the forum to make sincere duA for the corrupt, lost, astray brothers and sisters out there.

They need our DuAs.

"*_Noor_*" wrote:

May Allah have Mercy upon you and give you hidaya.

I request every1 on the forum to make sincere duA for the corrupt, lost, astray brothers and sisters out there.

They need our DuAs.

vica versa

Ameen. Ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen