Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
Submitted by *DUST* on 8 August, 2006 - 21:22 #3462
"Med" wrote:
Either get me some references or maintain silence. Whats uppity abt asking for references?
indeedy - what [i]is[/i] wrong about asking for references? i'm interested too, in my family this day isn't really 'commemorated' with fasting or anything, i dunno if that's a good or bad thing - can someone please provide references regarding the nawaafil acts to be performed on this day/night?
jazaakumullah khayr.
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[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
oh please! people....
same old boring, pointless stuff
its bidah? where sthe evidence...blah blah blah
we've discussed this a million of times...
answers to these will be found on many sites.... this is not the place.
these issues need a scholarly stance....
we shud know this....
otherwise it ends up like it is now...arguing and squabbling ....
some ppl will never change....
I think so....I'm going uni from september InshaAllah
Submitted by Medarris on 8 August, 2006 - 23:28 #3467
For the record I aint mentioned anything abt bid'ah nor have I said anything apart from requesting references. Dont know whats so problematic with that :roll: .
Y'knw what I find hilarious? How people celebrate certain days but forget about the message behind those days. Wasn't Laylatul Mi'raaj the night when this Ummah was granted the 5 daily salawaat? And according to some ulama one who discards one salah on purpose becomes a kafir and his kalimah must be said again and his nikah re-read. This is what salah is.
—
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Submitted by Angel on 8 August, 2006 - 23:32 #3468
Ok last time I checked hanafi fiqh one who rejects namaz is kafir but one who misses it out of laziness is a fasiq (sinner), so med what the hell you talkin about?
Med you said it yourself, we are given the 5 daily prayers through Miraj sharif hence if we do voluntary prayer on this particular nite, what is wrong with that? Any Ibadah is a good thing.
Also you're generalising, how do u know those that pray on these special occasions don't pray normally?
Submitted by Medarris on 8 August, 2006 - 23:38 #3469
Angel: I said according to some ulama. I didnt say it was the hanafi ruling. Im talking about the opinion of a group of the Hanaabilah - Islamic fiqh is more than just the hanafi madhab y'knw :roll:
I was making a general comment. Just get me the references pls - thats all Im asking for.
—
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Submitted by Angel on 8 August, 2006 - 23:47 #3470
According to a quick internet search (yeah yeah cue the shaykh googlge jokes...)
Noone says it is banned to pray extra on that night.
What is disputed is wether the extra prayers are sunnah, or just normal nawaafil.
I real this in an answer by Mufi Taqi something... Med has quoted him before... He said that while there were hadith suggestions of such prayers, they were all from weak hadith. He did not quote any in that post.
So no first hand evidence.
But second hand evidence says there are some weak ahadith. Now it depends on what emphasis is given to weak ahadith. I was taught that weak ahadith are acceptable for fadhail, but not for ahkaam.
As always, I would suggest to those who are gonna pray extra during the night, just focus on doing wadaa for the fardh prayers one has missed.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Medarris on 9 August, 2006 - 00:36 #3472
JazakALLAH admin. Thats all I was asking for. Got a link bruv?
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Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Submitted by *DUST* on 9 August, 2006 - 00:56 #3473
ditto.
i'll ask a shaykh tomorrow too inshaAllah.
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[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Odd place for this... but I need your prayers. I'm slipping back into alcohol and I've decided to try to give it up completely and forever no exceptions period... didn't do this last time and I'm not sure how difficult it will be given the stress of my life at the moment.
Thanks
Submitted by Sirus on 9 August, 2006 - 21:45 #3476
"Odysseus" wrote:
Odd place for this... but I need your prayers. I'm slipping back into alcohol and I've decided to try to give it up completely and forever no exceptions period... didn't do this last time and I'm not sure how difficult it will be given the stress of my life at the moment.
Thanks
Good luck with your battle, wish you the best
—
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
Odd place for this... but I need your prayers. I'm slipping back into alcohol and I've decided to try to give it up completely and forever no exceptions period... didn't do this last time and I'm not sure how difficult it will be given the stress of my life at the moment.
Thanks
I wish you all the best Dave...
You have everything going for you atm...and so much hope for the future.
Please dont mess it up with your own hands...
Try and have a replacement for the alcohol so it won't be as hard. Such as drinking orange juice or lemonade instead of alcohol.
Don't say I'll just have a sip of alcohol, stop it completely. People who are trying to quite smoking say "I'll just have one puff" and then they get sucked in and start smoking heavily again.
Make sure your wife helps you with quiting alcohol, it makes you feel that you have someone who is gonna help you through the difficult period.
Lastly try not going out with friends who are drinking in front of you as you will be tempted to start drinking again.
Submitted by Seraphim on 9 August, 2006 - 22:03 #3479
God will greatly reward the one who restrains himself when he has the power to give in to his temptations.
Dave, you do not need luck. Those who need it don't deserve it. Those who deserve it don't need it.
I am certain you will see the light at the end of the tunnel.
—
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
you and your sect business.
if you dont think theres anything special about the night of ascension, then why do you get all uppity about it?
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Lol.....thankyou!
I must say, so far biddah day hasnt been anything exciting.....bro jus got home, dads gona be round in evenin...see what happens
then another day for a good biddah rave with mates
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
Either get me some references or maintain silence. Whats uppity abt asking for references?
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
cool
make sure u dont get TOO high dancing on graves, eating halwa and worshipping scholars
lol, its like you've been watchin me every biddah day
i'll try not to rave too much, but i heard of this new gravesite on wilmslow road, called....[url=http://www.restaurant-guide.com/details/default.asp?rID=41823&ID=1459&pa...
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
u crack me up
do me a favour and make a special dua for our darling Med in the DARBAR pls
bring him back some chicken too
how could i not, every time i end up in a psuedo sufi whirl, my darling dearest med always comes to mind
why would ya giv someone his own type of meat?
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
LOL
sorry, this is really random, but is anyone else thinking about what they're going to do for GCSE's?
Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
I won't say it until I give you 20 birthday beats
I think everyone here have done their GCSE's....apart from you (good luck!)
what! you've all done your GCSE's!!!
Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
indeedy - what [i]is[/i] wrong about asking for references? i'm interested too, in my family this day isn't really 'commemorated' with fasting or anything, i dunno if that's a good or bad thing - can someone please provide references regarding the nawaafil acts to be performed on this day/night?
jazaakumullah khayr.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
Same here...
It not sunnah rite , and no special reward is stated anywhere if ibaadat is done on this night rite like for say laylatul -qadr
Maybe lilsis knows
oh please! people....
same old boring, pointless stuff
its bidah? where sthe evidence...blah blah blah
we've discussed this a million of times...
answers to these will be found on many sites.... this is not the place.
these issues need a scholarly stance....
we shud know this....
otherwise it ends up like it is now...arguing and squabbling ....
some ppl will never change....
It aint boring or pointless ed, actually quite intresting
No-ones even arguing... nuffing wrong with asking
Cant remember discussing this here, was discussing this night with mates...everyone held different views...
U know any sites where answers may B found ? no squabbles
thanks,
I think so....I'm going uni from september InshaAllah
For the record I aint mentioned anything abt bid'ah nor have I said anything apart from requesting references. Dont know whats so problematic with that :roll: .
Y'knw what I find hilarious? How people celebrate certain days but forget about the message behind those days. Wasn't Laylatul Mi'raaj the night when this Ummah was granted the 5 daily salawaat? And according to some ulama one who discards one salah on purpose becomes a kafir and his kalimah must be said again and his nikah re-read. This is what salah is.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
Ok last time I checked hanafi fiqh one who rejects namaz is kafir but one who misses it out of laziness is a fasiq (sinner), so med what the hell you talkin about?
Med you said it yourself, we are given the 5 daily prayers through Miraj sharif hence if we do voluntary prayer on this particular nite, what is wrong with that? Any Ibadah is a good thing.
Also you're generalising, how do u know those that pray on these special occasions don't pray normally?
Angel: I said according to some ulama. I didnt say it was the hanafi ruling. Im talking about the opinion of a group of the Hanaabilah - Islamic fiqh is more than just the hanafi madhab y'knw :roll:
I was making a general comment. Just get me the references pls - thats all Im asking for.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
You follow the hanbali fiqh?
According to a quick internet search (yeah yeah cue the shaykh googlge jokes...)
Noone says it is banned to pray extra on that night.
What is disputed is wether the extra prayers are sunnah, or just normal nawaafil.
I real this in an answer by Mufi Taqi something... Med has quoted him before... He said that while there were hadith suggestions of such prayers, they were all from weak hadith. He did not quote any in that post.
So no first hand evidence.
But second hand evidence says there are some weak ahadith. Now it depends on what emphasis is given to weak ahadith. I was taught that weak ahadith are acceptable for fadhail, but not for ahkaam.
As always, I would suggest to those who are gonna pray extra during the night, just focus on doing wadaa for the fardh prayers one has missed.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
JazakALLAH admin. Thats all I was asking for. Got a link bruv?
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
ditto.
i'll ask a shaykh tomorrow too inshaAllah.
[size=9]I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE [b]MODESTY[/b] AND [b]PROTECTION[/b] IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.[/size] [url=http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Dust.html]Dust, X-Men[/url]
I got my ramblings from a few diferent sites.
The link to Mufti Taqi's views are [url=http://www.albalagh.net/general/rajab.shtml]here[/url].
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Odd place for this... but I need your prayers. I'm slipping back into alcohol and I've decided to try to give it up completely and forever no exceptions period... didn't do this last time and I'm not sure how difficult it will be given the stress of my life at the moment.
Thanks
Good luck with your battle, wish you the best
The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.
Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.
ɐɥɐɥ
I wish you all the best Dave...
You have everything going for you atm...and so much hope for the future.
Please dont mess it up with your own hands...
Try and have a replacement for the alcohol so it won't be as hard. Such as drinking orange juice or lemonade instead of alcohol.
Don't say I'll just have a sip of alcohol, stop it completely. People who are trying to quite smoking say "I'll just have one puff" and then they get sucked in and start smoking heavily again.
Make sure your wife helps you with quiting alcohol, it makes you feel that you have someone who is gonna help you through the difficult period.
Lastly try not going out with friends who are drinking in front of you as you will be tempted to start drinking again.
God will greatly reward the one who restrains himself when he has the power to give in to his temptations.
Back in BLACK
Good luck Mel!
Dave, you do not need luck. Those who need it don't deserve it. Those who deserve it don't need it.
I am certain you will see the light at the end of the tunnel.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
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