"Naz" wrote:

depends if you wanna teach in uni or college then it can be scary an your gonna need a whole lot of confidence but if its primary you dont need no confidence. Remember your bigger then them and more wiser if that dont get their attention then give em a kick :twisted:

Any teacher - primary, secondary or college needs confidence to teach in front of University professors, headteachers and local education advisors....whom they are regular observed in front off.

ALL teachers need confidence to speak in front assemblies, large groups of parents and lead staff meetings for all the members of staff in a school.

Speaking from experienece, I find little difference between teaching a bunch of 6year olds and a bunch of 16year olds - and I'm not a overtly confident person.

I think there are levels of confidence. You need more confidence to teach say 300 students as a university lecturer then say 30 primary school kids. I think high school teachers are the bravest. They get it the worst, i feel so sorry for them.
I remember my French teacher in high school a couple of girls made her life hell. She had a disabled son but still managed to drag herself to class on time and teach without the strain showing. One time some of the girls were really pushing it and she just started crying poor thing

i really think the best way to tackle secondary school dicipline would be to have 2 members of staff in each classroom: 1 for teaching and 1 for discipline/class control.

i know there is a national shortage of teachers, so the second member of staff doesn't have to have to have a degree- just a vocational certificate: maybe a 1 month/ 6 month course plus a CPD check.

and of course bring back electric-shock-treatment for unruly behaviour...

You need confidence for MOST jobs, dont you?

For lecturing/teaching Uni level + you generally dont need any teaching qualifications.. Minimum requirements are that you have a degree in the subject you wish to lecture in. Obviously the more qualifications, the better All my LPC lecturers were former Solicitors/Barristers..

Under/Post Grad folks are pretty easy to work with as well over secondary school kids, etc, since they're more mature (well most of them anyways!) and more focused on what they want to achieve.. and the pay is not bad either

"Naz" wrote:

I think there are levels of confidence. You need more confidence to teach say 300 students as a university lecturer then say 30 primary school kids. I think high school teachers are the bravest. They get it the worst, i feel so sorry for them.
I remember my French teacher in high school a couple of girls made her life hell. She had a disabled son but still managed to drag herself to class on time and teach without the strain showing. One time some of the girls were really pushing it and she just started crying poor thing

An audience is an audience. Whatever the age range.

High school, primary schools, nursury's are all very different - it all depends on the area.

I absoutely loved doing supply work in secondary schools whilst I was studying in Uni - the teenagers were alright with me.

I still teach 16year olds. And find them the same as the 6year olds that I have taught in the past (in terms of giving me attention, being focused and attentive etc)

And on the other hand someone I know has had a mental breakdown cos of her evil class who physically attacked her - and she teaches a bunch of 5year olds.

Every teacher is different. Every school is different. Every class and age group of different - and decent training gives one the confidence to deal with all different types of audiences.

The other day one of our lecturers almost broke down in tears, it was so funny. Bless her.

Come on Noor, its never funny when a teacher breaks down - all this does is highlight the gaps in the support her school/training provider is giving him/her.

Its easy for you to say that because your a teacher, but what if your a student who dislikes a teacher it can be humorous, or you can be just plain mean like noor.

Yeh, it is funny. But its sad too.

Yes that it is, i think anybody crying is sad.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

Come on Noor, its never funny when a teacher breaks down - all this does is highlight the gaps in the support her school/training provider is giving him/her.

Of course it aint funny when someone cries, i'm always crying :? but the way she was crying was funny and what she was saying.

On the other hand - its sad, when teachers dont care when their students are upset.

I have a class full of crybabies - I get tears when the work is too hard/too much or I've given them detention.

"Noor" wrote:

i'm always crying :? .

remember, you have to be cruel to be kind.

Sometimes it is best that people are given the harsh(er) option.

Like making the rerelease of Sesame street adults only.

"Noor" wrote:

i'm always crying :? .

Yeh, so am I. But never ever in public.

Did/does anyone turn on the waterworks when they want an extension, my sister always does that and she always gets an extension with her uni work My family is an expert it ‘faking it’.

Lol. I have never actually met a women who'd turn it on...just for sympathy or to get out of something.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

"Noor" wrote:

i'm always crying :? .

Yeh, so am I. But never ever in public.

Same here, but when i'm in a mehfil, a strong lecture or if a naat is playing I can't help myself. Crying is good, makes you feel lighter.

It also cleans your eyes of any bacteria or viruses in there.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

Lol. I have never actually met a women who'd turn it on...just for sympathy or to get out of something.

i highly doubt that.

i know many girls/women who do this. men do it as well but not with tears: there are plenty of forms of emotional blackmail.

i think if someone gets their own way by throwing tantrums when they're little kids- they often carry this habit with them throughout their lives.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

Lol. I have never actually met a women who'd turn it on...just for sympathy or to get out of something.

You aint met my family, i didn't know i had it in me. I was surprised that i could get the tears out just like that.

"Ya'qub" wrote:

"MuslimSister" wrote:

Lol. I have never actually met a women who'd turn it on...just for sympathy or to get out of something.

i highly doubt that.

i know many girls/women who do this. men do it as well but not with tears: there are plenty of forms of emotional blackmail.

i think if someone gets their own way by throwing tantrums when they're little kids- they often carry this habit with them throughout their lives.

I'm being honest. Other than myself, I have never met a senstive women.

I havent even ever really seen my mother cry.

I know pretty strong women.

Me on the other hand - I cry easily, but never, ever to get my own way.

I agree with Ya'qub that kids who threw tantrums and got their way when younger will continue to behave in the same way when older.

I can't stand people who do all that fake crying just to get their own way. A while back me and my sisters were talking to my cousin about how mum wouldn't allow us to go somewhere or do something without good reason and she said with all seriousness why don't you cry? We were all like what??! She said 'cry, that's what I always do and it works everytime'. How stupid and pathetic and childish is that? I actually felt kind of embarrassed, but her telling us that explains a lot. I kind of feel sorry for the parents (who are probably to blame) - that's just like making fools of them and taking the mick out of them.

I just hate fake crying. It happens a lot at funerals and I just don't get it. It's actually quite shocking. Just be genuine for Gods sake.

People fake it even at funerals?! You're kidding me! How can you tell?

We never fake it with our parents and family, never! I always think to myself, if i faked crying to go somewhere with mum and dad and then went somewhere, i'd probably have something really bad happen to me cz i lied to them. It’s just with uni stuff and related.. really need to stop that now! Mind you i'm ok, my sister just has a very bad influence on us!

Do you not feel embarrassed crying at uni in front of your lecturer coz you can't manage your time! I don't know, maybe I have too much pride.

So many people fake it at funerals, it is truly annoying. People express their emotions in different ways, so why be fake. It's normally people outside of the immediate family affected who try to score brownie points or something.

"Imaani" wrote:

Do you not feel embarrassed crying at uni in front of your lecturer coz you can't manage your time! I don't know, maybe I have too much pride.

I did it once. I had to or else i would have been kicked out of school and i come from a family who is education mad. So i would have been dead meat if it ever happened! My sister never feels embarrassed about anything, she's her tutor’s favourite. She gives the woman so much hype it's unbelievable!

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So many people fake it at funerals, it is truly annoying. People express their emotions in different ways, so why be fake. It's normally people outside of the immediate family affected who try to score brownie points or something.

But how can you say that? You don't know what's going through their minds and their emotions.

It's not that I think their emotions are fake, but more the way they feel it necesssary to show others they're grieving, normally by screaming and wailing which is wrong in Islam anyway. Some of that I feel isn't entirely genuine, I doubt they'd react like that if they were in a room all by themselves, but then again perhaps they would.

But if they can't help but scream, wail whatever, you can't really blame them can you? I could never even think if a person is crying genuinely or not when there's a dead body in the room! And sis, when you're in a room by yourself, that’s when the crying starts.

since it is banned, I would assume that they CAN help it.

crying and wailing are two different things.

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Abu Malik al-Asharai(ra) reported that Allah's Messenger(pbuh) said:
There are four of the practices of Jahiliyyah that my Ummah will never drop: boasting about social status, defaming the kinship relations, seeking rains by means of stars (astrology), and wailing. As for the wailing woman, if she does not repent before death, she will be raised on Resurrection Day wearing a garment of liquid pitch and a shirt of scabies.

Wailing is such a serious sin that the Prophet(pbuh) required the women's covenant against it.
Umm Atiyaah(ra) reported: " At the time of bay'ah (promise of allegiance), Allah's Messenger (pbuh) took our covenant that we will not wail. None of the women who were present fulfilled their covenant except five: Umm Sulaym, Umm al-Ala, Abu Sabrah's daughter, and Mu'ath's wife."

Allah's Messenger(pbuh) did not allow wailing, even over hiw own son. Abu Hurayrah (ra) reported that when Ibrahim died, Usamah Bin Zayd screamed. Allah's Messenger(pbuh) intervened saying:
"This is not of my teachings! A screamer has no right (to do that). The heart gets sad, the eye sheds tears, but the Lord may never be angered."

[color=green]Al Mughirah Bin Shu'bah(ra) reported that Allah's Messenger(pbuh) said:
The one who is wailed over will be punished on the Day of Resurrection because of that wailing.

This Hadith may appear to conflict with an established rule in the Shariah that a person is only responsible for his own doings, and cannot be punished for someone else's sins. The ulema have taken different positions for resolving this apparent conflict. The most correct view is that the punishment is applicable to that who requested his family to wail over him after he dies, or who knew that wailing is a common practice among his people but did not warn them against doing it. as if he approved it.

In confirmation of this understanding, Abdullah Bin al-Mubarak(ra) said: "If he prevented them from doing it during his life, yet they did it after his death, there is no sin upon him." Umdat ul-Qari 4:79 [/color]

Didn't no that :shock: better go and tell the family.