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That true and i agree with the above, but i remember my mate telling me about this pious person who used to live years ago in Bangladesh I think, basically he used to live in so much seclusion in ibadah of Allah swt, that on a rare journey out, he saw a woman and scream and ran away from her and enquire about a strange creature he saw too some of his companion. I know this is a extreme case, but too me interaction with other is very important in islam.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
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Lol-of course. Like it has been pointed out...the stories of the pious people should not meant to be literally followed. In our day and age most of us wouldnt be able to anyway.
We struggle to do the basics...we struggle to keep our hearts clean and our actions sincere. There's no way a layman like us could even think about reaching their standard.
One should just try to do whatever they can according to their own temprement and level of Iman.
True, but don't you think that there is more reward for helping other, especially in today society where there loads of corruption, rather then staying in seclusion. So people who actually go out there and try to impact the society and help others are more praiseworthy as long as they fulfil their duty towards Allah swt, then people who may stay at home in ibadah in seclusion. I personally think it is the case.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
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Of course. I totally agree. In fact that pious man who worshipped Allah (swt) in that village full of sinners was punished first.
However, yuit seclusion is a not necessarily a physical state.
When Sufi’s speak about seclusion they mean ridding the heart of all worldly attachments. It means to be attached to only Allah (swt).
One can be physically secluded from the dunya however, if their thoughts are still on worldly things…then they’re not practising seclusion are they?
Of course, physical seclusion is encouraged too, such as the last ten days in Ramadan.
I remember a scholar doing a talk in our town once and you could tell even thought he was giving a very deep speech, he was in constant dhikr as well. I was also luckily enough to spend half a day with this scholar once and he was exactly the same, though he was doing the same things as me, he was on a another spiritual level when he done everything from eating to interacting and you could tell by the impact he had on people that it was the case. I totally agree with the seclusion in this sense, not sure about the other aspect though.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
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Salaam
Mawlana Rumi said that a woman heard the name of her beloved being mentioned, and as a result her heartbeat started racing.
In the same way, when the name of Allah (swt) is mentioned to a true believer, the condition of his heart changes and he/she is filled with immense love for Allah (swt).
If the heartbeat of a woman is sent racing at the name of her beloved; how is it possible for the name of Allah (swt) to have no effect on the heart of a true believer?
After all He (swt) is the One whom hearts were created to love.
The heart is designed to be in state of calm, contend and tranquillity…and this can only be achieved via the Dhikr (remembrance of Allah).
Allah (swt) says “Verily in the remembrance of Allah (swt) do hearts find peace”…
In other words when one is far away from the remembrance of Allah (swt) the heart becomes agitated and one feels depressed, uneasy, and stressed ….but too many people cover this feeling of unease and seek solace in stuff that they’re supposed to keep away from.
Wasalaam
true - there is no true satisfaction of the heart without the remembrance of Allah Almighty and 2 lose yourself in the remembrance of Allah Almighty is the best feeling in the world
Beautiful comment Sis. So true as well, was listening to a speech once and the scholar mention how men generally get so into football, it stimulate every part of them and all their emotion come out, they feel every kick, when they score they jump for joy, they feel immense love for the players playing. But when the time for Dhikr of Allah swt comes, they find every excuse possible.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
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Fantastic example Yuit. For some shopping gets their heart beat racing...for others its a certain song or a Celeb.
But how many of us are moved to such a extent when we do Dhikr?
Collective dhikr stirs emotion and increases ones heartbeat.
Salaam
In order to make progress on the spiritual path we MUST develop consideration for other people.
We need to learn the art of not expressing the truth so forcefully that we hurt other people. We should understand and know where they’re coming from. It is said that “truth should be said as a musical note that pleases the ear”.
Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jillani (ra) said “The man if knowledge preaches with kindness and gentleness, while the ignorant man teaches with harshness and anger”.
Wasalaam
lol.
Salam
True Sufis are not in the business of pleasing people. Infact, they have been persecuted for their utterances.
Fake sufis say what people WANT to hear.
Way of the Mystics have always been to speak what is right, even if it blows people's brains out - especially if it blows their brain out.
Truth is poison to its haters and honey to its seekers.
Truth must not be expressed so that it SOUNDS NICE to the the audience.
Prophet was stoned because people did not like the harsh Truth he preached.
Omrow
Assalaato Was-Salaam Alaika Ya RasoolAllah!!!
Assalam-o-Alaikum,
Yes i agree with bro Omrow, Sufis only tell the truth. And they say it for Almighty Allah and not for the people.
"The way of the Sufis consists in ten items:
(1) The reality of tasawwuf which is defined by truthful self-orientation (sidq al-tawajjuh) to Allah Most High.
(2) The pivot of truthful tawajjuh is to single out the heart and the body for [obedience of] Allah Alone.
(3) Tasawwuf in relation to Dîn is like the soul in relation to the body.
(4) The Sufi examines the factors of perfection and deficiency.
(5) The Jurist examines whatever discharges liability (mâ yusqitu al-haraj) while the scholar of juridical/doctrinal Principles (al-usûlî) examines whatever makes one's faith valid and firmly established. Therefore the Sufi's perspective is more specific than both of theirs, consequently their criticism of him is valid, while his criticism of either of them is invalid. Hence 'the Sufi among Jurists is better than the Jurist among Sufis.'
(7) Fiqh [jurisprudence] is the precondition for the validity of tasawwuf and that is why it has precedence over it.
(8 ) Terminology and its specific applicability to each discipline exclusively of others.
(9) The keys of spiritual opening concerning which there are four rulings: first principles; truthful aspiration towards attainment; longing for spiritual realities; and quitting the guideline of what is transmitted (al-manqûl) once one obtains self-realization (al-tahqîq).
(10) It is a wonderful and strange path built on the permanent following of what is better and best: in doctrines it consists in following the Salaf; in rulings, fiqh; in meritorious deeds (al-fada'il), the scholars of hadith; and in high manners (al-âdâb), all that is conducive to the wholeness of hearts."
Take care,
Allah Hafiz.
Ok ok....
Not true.
The Holy Prophet
was ordered to preach using kindness “Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching and argue with them in a way that it better”. (An Nahl; 125)
He
was also told that if was “severe and harsh hearted people would have dispersed from around Him (Surah Imran: 159)
So if rough speech and harsh heartedness would have caused people to break away from the best of all creation and the most beloved of Allah (swt)…how can we think we can get away with this approach?
Allah (swt) even commanded Prophet Musa (as) and Prophet Haroon (as) to speak to Pharaoh nicely too…and he was the enemy of God.
“And speak to him (Fir’awn) mildly, perhaps he may accept admonition or fear Allah” (Suran Ta ha; 44)
A true Muslim makes life easy for others and is the bearer of good news and presents the call for Islam (da’wa), in a pleasant manner that is easy to adhere to.
Of course one should speak Haqq - I don't disagree with that. However, it should not be said in a way that puts people off.
Salam
Putting people off ?
Meccans used to be put off by Prophet's Divine Messages.
Should he have made a compromise. Perhaps tone down his preachings ? Sounds a little less harsh ?
Truth always puts people off.
Prophet always called spade a spade, and idiot an idiot.
There was an Arab who did not like the Prophet very much.
Prophet changed his name and re-named him as Father of the Stupid.
That must have been very off putting for the poor man ?
Omrow
The Prophet (pbuh) preached with wisdom
so I dont know what ur chatting about :roll:
Salam
Sometimes its wise to call a donkey an ass.
Omrow
Salaam
This thread is about Sufi's...the ones who are famous for their extremely high level of patience, tolerance, and love of God.
The ones who preach that one should never break anyones heart "As God lives in people's hearts".
The Sufi's were not offensive and name calling was not their style
Wasalaam
I am sorry to break it to you but, Prophet did name call. And he was the Top Sufi.
Omrow dont justify name calling
its impossible to believe that the Propeht (pbuh) preached whilst name calling at the same time
No. Not at the same time. He prioritised.
Salaam
Tolerance, Sabr and forbearance are extremely praiseworthy traits in Islam.
However, one type of tolerance is blameworthy whilst the other is praiseworthy.
Swallowing ones anger for the sake of Allah (swt)…in the hope that maybe He (swt) will be pleased with us is considered praiseworthy in Islam.
However, ignoring or swallowing ones anger ONLY because of meekness and/or fear that one may face retribution or because one fears his opponent is considered blameworthy in Islam.
Blameworthy tolerance generates hatred in ones heart…and hatred is the root cause of many of the sicknesses in the heart.
Wasalaam
Salam
Ofcourse, hatred is a bad thing.
Prophet never "hated" as such. He only called spade a spade.
When one says Pharaoh was a complete idiot, one is not angry; nor one is full of hatred. No. Rather one is simply acknowledging a truth.
Unless one can see Evil, one will not see the Truth.
Until you remove the dirt, you will not be pure.
Omrow
ok so as u lot may hav noticed, i havent posted all tht much on this thread, and its coz of my ignorance on the topic - i seriously need to read a book on sufism. but i'll add my tuppence worth anyway:
1. i've never liked it when ppl spoke about sufism as though its completely seperate from Islam.
2. i've always imagined a true sufi to be one who is able to block out the world and totally concentrate in his/her Salaah. just 5 times a day, completely devoting one's mind in connecting with Allah (s.w.t). SubhanAllah.
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Sufism isn’t separate to Islam.
The Holy Prophet
and His companions were Sufi’s.
It is said that Sufism used to be a reality and not a name…today it has been reduced to a name only.
Since, we have made our religions so mechanical and ritualistic….we need the teachings of Sufism to teach us how to implement extreme love and attachment to Allah (swt) into our lives and actions.
We need to be inspired by the actions of our pious predecessors (Sufi’s) who were ALWAYS in the remembrance of Allah (swt)…they were the ones who’d place pebbles in their mouths to stop their tongues from doing dhikr when they went to the bathroom.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but many mosques/classes don’t really focus on the importance of Akhlaq and the diseases and cures of the sicknesses f the heart…
I suppose maybe that’s why it seems “separate” to the Islam that is taught nowadays….the teachings of Sufism focuses on things that are neglected today.
But Sufism is no way separate to Islam.
Salam
Thats alright Dusty. Since you are a new member, we can undertand that you may feel a little dizzy at the pace on this forum.
Relax. Take your time.
Omrow
Salaam
Good character is the heart of Sufism.
Good character (Akhlaq) will be the heaviest on the scales on the Day of Judgment.
Good character may be something that one is born with, or it may be acquired.
However, it may only be acquired from someone who has it more firmly rooted in his nature than his own.
It is well known fact that a sensible man can become even more sensible by sitting in the company of intelligent and sensible people, and a learned man can learn even more by sitting in the company of the knowledgeable.
Therefore a man of beautiful character may acquire an even more beautiful character by being with people whose characters excel his own.
We can only improve, learn and better ourselves via company/people, not books.
The Holy Prophet
said “A man takes on the religion of his companions”.
Wasalaam
Salam
I see. She learned things by becoming a member of a gang:
She picked up her drinking habit in Mecca. Ideal spot for bingeing.
Omrow
The Lovers
will drink wine night and day.
They will drink until they can
tear away the veils of intellect and
melt away the layers of shame and modesty.
When in Love,
body, mind, heart and soul don't even exist.
Become this,
fall in Love,
and you will not be separated again.
(rumi)
Salaam
“O Muhammad, give the good news to the sinners that I am All-Forgiving. But tell the ones who are truly Mine and sincere in their wish for Me that I am Most Jealous (of anything they may wish for beside Me).
Hadith Qudsi.
Just like two enemies that cannot live together, the love of Allah (swa) and the love of this life cannot co-exist in one heart.
Wasalaam
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