Salam

No it is not. Its actually a divice for psychological training in a religious purpose.

It has a similiar function in Islam doing press-ups in excercise.

Omrow

There are many ways to remember Allah (swt).

One of them is to repeatedly mention his name. This has the added factor that its a simple phrase of two syllables, and can be used for motivation purposes aswell.

We should not knock dhikr in any sense, as long as it is doe correctly.

"Admin" wrote:

There are many ways to remember Allah (swt).

One of them is to repeatedly mention his name. This has the added factor that its a simple phrase of two syllables, and can be used for motivation purposes aswell.

We should not knock dhikr in any sense, as long as it is doe correctly.

Thank you Admin. I had lost Omrow there.

I have finished my book on the fundamentals of Sufism. It wasnt a detailed book but I now understand that sufism in Islam is like Monatcism in Christianity. My book spoke about people who didnt eat or sleep for years and years. There was one story about a man who never had an intercourse with his wife after he married her for the rest of his life even though he loved her.

I think I'll give this subject a miss.

What was the name of the book you read and who was the author?

You should [url=http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/1851682112.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg]try this one[/url].

"Beast" wrote:

What was the name of the book you read and who was the author?

You should [url=http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/1851682112.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg]try this one[/url].

I've returned the book today. It was my cousins. It was called the fundamentals of sufism.

I think this subject is not practical or realistic in our day and age.

"Ramz" wrote:

I think this subject is not practical or realistic in our day and age.

depends on the individual whether its practical or not

"Ramz" wrote:

"Beast" wrote:

What was the name of the book you read and who was the author?

You should [url=http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/1851682112.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg]try this one[/url].

I've returned the book today. It was my cousins. It was called the fundamentals of sufism.

I think this subject is not practical or realistic in our day and age.

Would it by any chance have been written by a certain A. A. Tabari?

I cant remember at all. I dont remember even looking at the authors name. I only saw SUFISM on the front cover and it reminded me of this thread.

Why, are there different types of sufism?

There are differences among Sufis.

Did the book tell you that it's like monasticism?

You should read another book on Sufism before you decied to diss it.

Seriously, try this one. [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1851682112/qid=1135622474/sr=8-... Sufism[/url]

"Beast" wrote:

Did the book tell you that it's like monasticism?

No. Thats my own conclusion. Giving up food, sleep, friends and intercourse between husband and wife reminds me of monasticism.

"Ramz" wrote:

Giving up food, sleep, friends and intercourse between husband and wife reminds me of monasticism.

those things are not islamically acceptable... for sure there is no place for monasticism in Islam, as Islam is a 'way of life' - its all about how to lead your life, your interactions with people and the outside world, not how to renounce the world... :roll: a muslim should neither renounce the world, nor embrace it completely - Islam is never about extremes, it provides the middle path, a balance, in everything.

Beast is right, it seems the book u read only looked at an extreme version of Sufism, doesnt sound like it gave a balanced view at all. try the book suggested before making up your mind on the subject.

"Aasiyah" wrote:

Islam is never about extremes, it provides the middle path, a balance, in everything.

thnx sis Aasiyah 4 that...thats what my dad always says n all - Islam has a balance 4 everything

"Ramz" wrote:

There was one story about a man who never had an intercourse with his wife after he married her for the rest of his life even though he loved her.

That as far as I know is forbidden.

During the time of the Prophet (saw), there was a sahabiyah who fasted every day.

The Prophet told her not to fast every day as her husband also has rights over her, which may need fulfilling during the day.

Wife CANNOT observe optional fast without prior consent from husband.

"Med" wrote:

Wife CANNOT observe optional fast without prior consent from husband.

got that loud and clear

"Med" wrote:

Wife CANNOT observe optional fast without prior consent from husband.

And from the reasoning behind it all, it works ways... hm?

(well not the actual asking permission, but the fasting every day etc...)

"Ramz" wrote:

"Beast" wrote:

Did the book tell you that it's like monasticism?

No. Thats my own conclusion. Giving up food, sleep, friends and intercourse between husband and wife reminds me of monasticism.

lol, that funny all these action you talk about giving up is a form of ibadah in islam. I have heard nothing in my time that suggest this is the case in sufism, infact there are various hadith that state that your body has a right over you and so do the people around you. This is definitely taking it too the extreme.

Anyway pick this up from a website

Quote:

The Prophet (saaw) reportedly said,

"Beware of excessiveness in religion before you have perished as a result of such excessiveness in religion." (Reported by Ahmad)

Allah states in the Quran that He,

"Intends every facility for you; He does not want to put you in difficulties". (HQ 2:185)

"Religion," the Prophet is reported to have said, "is very easy, and whoever overburdens himself will not be able to continue in that way. Be right (without excessiveness or negligence), near (perfection, and have good timing (in being rewarded for your regular deeds)." (Bukhari) The people of the Book were warned: " O people of the Book, commit no excesses in your religion, nor say of Allah anything but the Truth...." 4:171. He warns the Muslims likewise: "O' you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things, which Allah has made lawful for you, and commit no excess; for Allah loves not those given to excess." (HQ 5:87)

Salam

Why are you all trying to force her ?

Look. The woman doesn't want to do it alright !!

Don't make her do anything.

When she is ready she will do it.

You don't have to push her. Otherwise, it won't be productive.

Woman only does well when she is comfortable.

So please, leave her until she is ready.

Let her take her time.

Omrow

nobodys forcing anything on any1 - Omrow wake up plz :roll:

They are trying to pressure the poor girl into doing something she doesn't want to do.

no pressure - jus a suggestion 2 read a different book on sufism if she wishes

There was a beast trying to lead the woman towards a certain path.

"Omrow" wrote:

There was a beast trying to lead the woman in towards a certain path.

take that up with the beast then :!:

Before the beast can be spotted again, I fear the damsel may be in peril.

no reason 2 fear - jus take the chill pill..it'l work wonders

I see. You know something that I do not. Very well then. I shall put faith in you reassurance and breath a sigh of relief.

gud - u can sleep in peace tonight now

You have relieved my burden. Thanks you. Good night.

relieving ones burden - gaining for them peaceful sleep...what greater satisfaction can one gain :?:

...and i think i need my peaceful sleep now lol