Noor sent me something really good concerning this when i asked about whether or not i was a sin to just THINK 'dirty' Or 'bad' thoughts :
"What to do when a bad thought occurs to you
Whenever a bad thought occurs to you:
a) seek Allah’s forgiveness [saying, Astaghfirullah (‘I seek Allah’s forgiveness’)];
b) seek protection from the Shaytan [saying, A`udhu billahi min ash-shaytan ar-rajeem (‘I seek refuge in Allah from the accursed shaytan’)]
c) cut out the things that result in that bad thought immediately [e.g. shut the window with such images]
d) then thank Allah, wholeheartedly, for enabling you to overcome your desires and shaytan [saying, Alhamdulillah (‘All praise is due to Allah’)]; this makes Shaytan despair, and strengthens one’s resolve.
If you keep erring, keep repeating these 4 quick and simple steps, and making dua with your prayers that Allah protect you. If you keep turning to Allah sincerely, He’ll accept your entreating, and free you of these problems.
Allah Most High has promised,
“As for those who strive in Us, We surely guide them to Our paths, and lo! Allah is with the good.” [Qur’an, 29.69]
“Bad thoughts can be a test from Allah Ta'ala to see how we handle them. Our response should be one of gratitude to Allah Ta'ala that He has chosen us for belief. We should also respond to this test by seeking refuge in Allah from shaytan the accursed. We should seek refuge in Allah from the whisperings of our nafs. Finally, we should repent to Allah from these bad thoughts and try to replace each bad thought with a good one.”
“Finally, try to eliminate bad influences in your life, whether they are from the television, movies, or even questionable companions. Then replace these bad influences with good ones, such as going to the masjid regularly, joining study circles, reciting a portion of the Qur'an everyday, and performing voluntary worship in addition to your obligatory devotions. “
Whispers are from the devil – Quran: "From the evil of the sneaking whisperer (shaytân). Who whispers in the hearts of mankind." Surah Nas
Allah Almighty does not account a person for his thoughts except in two cases:
First, if a person has firm determination to put into practice the thought in his mind. The evidence for this is the Prophet's hadith: “If two Muslims meet each other with their swords, then (both) the killer and the killed one are in the (Hell) Fire.” I [the narrator] said, “O Allah's Messenger! It is all right for the killer, but what about the killed one?” He said, “The killed one was eager to kill his opponent." (Reported in Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
Second, once the person applies what he thinks of. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Allah has forgiven my followers the evil thoughts that occur to their minds, as long as such thoughts are not put into action or uttered." (Reported in the six authentic books of Hadith, and explained by Imam Ibn Kathir)
A person is accountable for his intention to do an evil deed that he couldn't do due to inability or fear of authorities. But if he couldn't do it due to piety and fear of Allah, then Allah would not account him for it. Instead, he may attain the reward of jihad an-nafs (striving against inner whims).
It is also reported by Muslim on the authority of Abu Hurayrah that Allah's Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Allah Almighty says (in a qudsi hadith), 'Whenever my bondsman intends to do good but does not do it, it is written as one good act for him; but if he puts it into practice, it is written from ten to seven hundred good deeds in favour of him. When he intends to commit a bad deed but does not actually do it, it is not recorded against him. But if he does it, it is written as only one bad deed.' "
But why are these thoughts considered 'bad' and not just NATURAL? Why is it that we have to seek Allah's forgiveness for just THINKING something? If we know it's not going to lead to us having sex then why can't we indulge in it without feeling guilty?
This article seems vague and confusing to me - one of the ahadith mentioned talks about revenge amd murder.
Yes they are "bad thoughts", but not all thoughts are of a similar nature and an earlier part of the article seems to be more concentrate towards natural urges and lust. Not the same thing as wanting to kill someone.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Well ignore the article and focus on the topic then
Jeez :roll:
Some of it is general but some is specific... the whole first part seems to me to be blatantly concerning 'natural urges and lust'
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
Yes it is. But the answer, the quotes from ahadith etc are not referring to the same types of thoughts, hence dodging the issue. IThat article does not answer the question IMO.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
"Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny."
It's probably not impossible to control your thoughts.
anything which is bad or NO good for your faith, one should stay away from
ie a person, past time, food, drink etc
zikr is very good as it occupies your mind, and removes black spots from the heart ( each black spot is a sin)
staying clean ( all types ) is also very good and is a must.
staying away from sinful places,
you get the picture
...
allah is closer to us than our jugular vein
zikr is good as it clears the mind and allows you to think...
but I do think different types of thoughts are being confused into one here.
Some times there are no easy answers and you just have to struggle along with the cards you have.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Why?
I understand if something is BAD for ur faith, but why stay away from someone/thing just because it's not actively GOOD for your faith?
So I can't cotch with my non-Muslim friends?
I can't watch TV?
I can't go to Thorpe Park?
I can't eat anything except dates?
Why?
Don't just do something! Stand there.
watching PORN all day is no good for you
Going to the pub even though u dont drink is no good for you
eating food which you dont have the knowledge if it is haraam or halal is no good for you.
shaitan is very powerful
this angel wants u to fail
wants u to be bad
wants to lead you to the hell fire
look around you, the signs are their
look after your faith( iman )....
allah is closer to us than our jugular vein
That's great. Can you answer my questions now?
Why can't I go to Thorpe Park?!
Plus, Shaitan isn't an angel. You're getting confused with Christianity.
Don't just do something! Stand there.
because you might fall of the rides.
nothing wrong with thorpe park
waste of money really
actually shaitan is a angel as was made from the left over noor ( divine light) from which angels are created from,
iblis his name is ( to the nearest effect) my creator was angry with him as he refused to postrate to the human being which we know as Adam. ( the arguement was why should i bow before something made from dirt when i am of light- long story)
allah is closer to us than our jugular vein
Shaytan is NOT as angel - he is from the Jinn.
Angels do not have free will and cannot sin.
Quran:
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
like i said to the nearest effect!
but we both agree
thorpe park is a waste of money
allah is closer to us than our jugular vein
in your opinion.
If going to Thorpe park brings pleasure to you, helps avoid things like depression that may cost more, then surely it is a bargain?
Besides, if you don't go thorpe park, what would the alternative be? where would the time and the money be spent? that is also an important part of the equation.
(I am quite sure the original aim of this topic was more on the subject of natural urges as opposed to visiting or not theme parks.)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Not really... "left over noor"? got any basis for that?
Angels and Jinns are two totally different things - one doesn't have free will, the other does.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Iblees is made from fire not light :S
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
again like i said "TO THE NEAREST EFFECT"
which means correct me if i am wrong, oh i forget
to take the mickey out of religion is actually a sign of KUFR ( non believer ) and hurting someones feelings is HARAAM
but i forgive u
allah is closer to us than our jugular vein
Sorry, I took those words to mean something else and also aimed at something else too (I had thought them to be aimed at how iblis is pronounced :oops:)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
sometimes being precise is not always good
as being general is sometimes better
example
to the nearest effect!
and his companions (ra) were once sitting in the mosque, when a person entered and started URINATING in the mosque up the wall. One of the companions become angry and raised his voice; to which The holy prophet (SAW) hushed the companion up and said " let him finish"
the holy prophet
then asked the companion to go and clear it up. they explained to the person why and how he should conduct this sort of behaviour to which he embraced Islam.
now if this had happended in this time and space i think matters would have been dealt with in other ways, sadly as we have lost the understanding that our prophet was sent for the guidance of ALL mankind and he cried for each and every one of us.
allah is closer to us than our jugular vein
im not trying to be rude or anything
but i dnt get how thats even "generally" related to the topic at hand :S
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
its not
private conversation
allah is closer to us than our jugular vein
does it matter? there is a discussion, do shukr!
LOL, noor!
shukr alhamdulillah!
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
mind you
bad thoughts would come from Not understanding how Islam works, and why things are the way they are...
allah is closer to us than our jugular vein
not necessarily, sometimes u just cant help wondering about stuff.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Asalamu alaykum,
These thoughts may be natural but they can lead to other things which are haraam, even if this is not your specific case, hence why they can be dangerous and are viewed as bad. Indulging in such thoughts could lead you away from Allah swt if you busy yourself with them instead of dhikr and other acts of worship, even if you don't act on them in any way.Shaytan will try and lead us astray, even if it's just step by step.
But we will not be held accountable or punished for our thoughts, as long as we don't act on them or speak of them.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah will forgive my ummah for whatever crosses their minds so long as they do not speak of it or act upon it.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4968; Muslim, 127
So it's only a sin if you act on the thoughts or speak of them..but making dhikr like seeking refuge in Allah or saying astaghfirullah should help the thoughts go away insha'allah.So if it's just a thought then Allah swt will forgive u insha'allah
Wa alaykum asalam
Sounds like someones having murderous thoughts.
Back in BLACK
Then have it in a private place genius.
Nothing you've said has been remotely helpful and you've not addressed any of the issues regarding what you said initially.
Bye-bye.
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
But it IS my case that they will lead to haraam!
But why does THAT (Grr. I hate beating around the bush) have to be haraam?
Why does it feel like NOTHING is allowed?
See You's answer to that was do whatever you like as long as it means it stops you from doing something that is MORE haraam than THAT. But that, even though is a 'lesser evil' is STILL an 'evil' and i don't see why it should be.
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
Hardly.
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
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