Youngest Muslim Reverts in The World.

"Med" wrote:
"(*_Shazan" wrote:
The light had change to green but I was temporary blinded by the noor shining from them.

loooooooool. May ALLAH make you laff in the highest paradise bruv as you made me smile on earth. ameen.

Yeh - some ppls noor does blind and they dont even know it. mashaALLAH.

Youngest Muslim Reverts in The World. Children in England Turn To Islam.

Watch this documentary and Insha’Allah , Allah continue to shower his blessing upon us all.

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This video just Shows kids who were interested in Islam. They were attracted to the Mosque and wanted to learn more about the Religion. Nobody has gone around to actually tell these kids what to do, it is by their own free choice and they just like going to the

[b]SPLIT FROM HIJAAB THREAD[/b]

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

Youngest Muslim Reverts in The World. Children in England Turn To Islam.

Watch this documentary and Insha’Allah , Allah continue to shower his blessing upon us all.

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This video just Shows kids who were interested in Islam. They were attracted to the Mosque and wanted to learn more about the Religion. Nobody has gone around to actually tell these kids what to do, it is by their own free choice and they just like going to the

No, they actually lived under tremendous social pressure to convert AND some disgusting Imam from their neighborhood bribed them with Pizza and the promise of no more Asians picking on them at school. He even goes so far as to take it upon himself to rename Ashlene to Aisha. Their mother was petrified about saying anything.

This is from a documentary I watched entitled "[url= Last White Kids[/url]," [url= brought it up[/url] several months back shocked that Muslims would be proud of this kind of attack on our children.

To a chorus of denials and rebukes.

I'm no missionary but even with my lack of experience in this arena I always thought children were out of bounds even to unreasonable people. This behavior is insanity.

Thats your opinion Dave.

Mine would be that the real villains are the parents who raise their kids on disbelief and give them a one way ticket to hell - the Imam was their saviour Lol

Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

"Med" wrote:
Thats your opinion Dave.

Mine would be that the real villains are the parents who raise their kids on disbelief and give them a one way ticket to hell - the Imam was their saviour Lol

And mine is that we are Muslims not Mormons.

No offense to mormons intended.

We are not prosletisers. We trust that this the correct path and thus have no need to brain wash/pressure/force it upon a person.

It is not the way of Islam to bribe people to covert. (If this comment brings a counter, then I'm ready, Insha ALLAH T'ala)

Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.

Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes

"Med" wrote:
Thats your opinion Dave.

Mine would be that the real villains are the parents who raise their kids on disbelief and give them a one way ticket to hell - the Imam was their saviour Lol

lol constant social pressure, beatings at school, and coercion from uneducated barbaric trash is "saving them" eh?

You have some very backward opinions Med. Fortunately nobody really listens to you anyway.

"Don Karnage" wrote:

and coercion from uneducated [u]third world[/u] trash is "saving them" eh?

Uh... is the Third world part supposed to be drogetory?

Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.

Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes

"Don Karnage" wrote:
"Med" wrote:
Thats your opinion Dave.

Mine would be that the real villains are the parents who raise their kids on disbelief and give them a one way ticket to hell - the Imam was their saviour Lol

lol constant social pressure, beatings at school, and[b] coercion from uneducated third world trash [/b]is "saving them" eh?

You have some very backward opinions Med. Fortunately nobody really listens to you anyway.

You can say what you like about me but watch your tongue when speaking about the ulama.

Your internal state has come before us now. A kafir is a kafir no matter how nice his character is - such a shame.

Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

"Dawud" wrote:
"Don Karnage" wrote:

and coercion from uneducated [u]third world[/u] trash is "saving them" eh?

Uh... is the Third world part supposed to be drogetory?

I wasn't trying, I was being. This is insulting, infuriating, degrading and so unconscionably awful I'm still struggling for the right combination of words to express it. That Imam should be shot, I don't know what backwards culture produces this kind of attitude [b]toward other peoples' children[/b] but it's worthless and dangerous to have in our neighborhoods.

And what's with people? 6 months ago when this was a known, racist and anti-christian attack Muslims were on and on about how children are out of bounds and thats unIslamic et cetera.

Low and behold a couple months later turn to islam shows the exact documentary but changes the title to "children convert" and it's [url= as some kind of grand victory. What is this? In principle there is nothing wrong with targeting children but when confronted then it's unislamic?!

"Med" wrote:
"Don Karnage" wrote:
"Med" wrote:
Thats your opinion Dave.

Mine would be that the real villains are the parents who raise their kids on disbelief and give them a one way ticket to hell - the Imam was their saviour Lol

lol constant social pressure, beatings at school, and[b] coercion from uneducated third world trash [/b]is "saving them" eh?

You have some very backward opinions Med. Fortunately nobody really listens to you anyway.

You can say what you like about me but watch your tongue when speaking about the ulama.

Your internal state has come before us now. A kafir is a kafir no matter how nice his character is - such a shame.

I have no respect for such people who target our children - I'll call them spades if they are spades and that will be that.

lol call me Kafir all you want - it will just change back to "Ahl Kitab" when I'm saying something you like.

Your morality is situational like that.

"Don Karnage" wrote:

I have no respect for such people who target our children - I'll call them spades if they are spades and that will be that.

lol call me Kafir all you want - it will just change back to "Ahl Kitab" when I'm saying something you like.

You're morality is situational like that.

First off I've never changed words between kafir and Ahl Kitab as you put it and Ahl Kitab are kafir aswell and destined for the fire just as the mushrikeen are - just a different category of kafir - end result is the same.

Anyways it is beneath my dignity to respond further to you in this thread. You talk abt imam being shot - the state of kufr always manifests in opposition to the propogation of truth.

Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

"Med" wrote:

First off I've never changed words between kafir and Ahl Kitab as you put it and Ahl Kitab are kafir aswell and destined for the fire just as the mushrikeen are - just a different category of kafir - end result is the same.

lol now you're just lying. And who really cares what you call me? "Ahl Kitab" "Kafir" - it's all just arabic nonsense.

"Med" wrote:
Anyways it is beneath my dignity to respond further to you in this thread. You talk abt imam being shot - the state of kufr always manifests in opposition to the propogation of truth.

lol you have so many meaningless opinions. Yea, he should be shot - anyone Jew Christian Muslim Hindu or Scientologist that runs around interfering with parental rights in such an eggregious manner should be shot. I'm right, and I won't have to steal your kids to make it so.

Your (Med's) "truth" is propogated to children by daily beatings at school, community pressure to convert and a particularly heinous Imam stealing children from their parents. There is no "dignity" associated with such a system, you've got none to shed. I'm quite proudly in opposition to that nonsense.

As for "the state of Kufr" - be real. There is no "state of kufr" there are no "kafir" or "ahl kitab." They're just arabic words. Words you use to lead yourself into a false sense of superiority. It's the answer to your inner narcissist telling you "you're special" when you clearly aren't. Think logically for a couple seconds, has God [i]really[/i] appointed you to some superior position over me and all the other human-like Kaffir? lol do you exercise any [i]actual[/i] control over me or any other Kafir? Why would God do that anyway? What's so special about you? You're arrogant, abrasive, rather stubborn, ignorant and to top it off you don't really care anyway.

All you seem to have is that you're a member of a religion that honestly you don't know anything about anyway. Seriously - how many times have you had to be corrected on this forum alone for your bizarre ideas? Can you even give us a definition for "the state of Kufr" ? In fact does that really mean anything at all? You made it up on the spot didn't you? You do, afterall have a penchant for grandiloquence - usually employed to impress yourself.

There is nothing special about you. "Kaffirs" and "ahlul bidah" are figments of your imagination - created to make you feel less... well... average.

So do yourself a favor and quite pretending you have some divine mandate to run around correcting all the rest of us mere mortals with your imaginary specialness.

Then again [url= probably have no control over this anyway[/url].

Dave: When critisicing a person, any random Joe Bloggs, no-one should use the term 'third world' as an insult.

Uneducated-fine

trash-fine

third world- no

Med: You don't seem to understand. If you were so zealous in Kufr (May Allah SWT save you from that) as you hopefully are in Islam, would you hold the same view that you have posted. What is Islam if it is not good ettiquette?

What is co-ercion through ignoble means if not contradicting the Beautiful Sunnah. Med ask your heart, do you really think this was the rioght way to act?

Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.

Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes

"Dawud" wrote:
Dave: When critisicing a person, any random Joe Bloggs, no-one should use the term 'third world' as an insult.

Uneducated-fine

trash-fine

third world- no

Med: You don't seem to understand. If you were so zealous in Kufr (May Allah SWT save you from that) as you hopefully are in Islam, would you hold the same view that you have posted. What is Islam if it is not good ettiquette?

What is co-ercion through ignoble means if not contradicting the Beautiful Sunnah. Med ask your heart, do you really think this was the rioght way to act?

You're right, third world was just blatently racist and wrong. But I'm beyond pissed.

Who the hell gets off lecturing me that he is some morally supreme appointed by God grand "Muslim" who can intimidate, preach to and convert any Kaffir child he damn well wishes? I can't even comprehend the arrogance - and the fact that it's not just this human trash "Imam" is just disturbing. Is there seriously even a word for this?!

What gets me is that there are even people out there that think like this to begin with! I don't see Muslim children and think "Oh goody I'm glad I've got a baseball bat and some candy so I can turn them into Christians" - it's like some kind of witch from a fairytale! And then to take it even farther and physically rename them?! What is this!?

"Angel" wrote:
oookay, calm down guys...

Why?

Clearly some Muslims believe they have the right to brainwash non-Muslim children, since they are doing it. And clearly they have a cadre of supporters who completely agree with this as a matter of principle. Equally clearly other Muslims don't care if it happens - I did afterall post the links to the various other forums on which they are congratulating each other over this "miraculous" conversion of non-Muslim children.

As a future parent, what reason do I have to be calm about this? Should I trust the hijabi teacher with my kids while they are at school, that she isn't like Med or like this Imam applying that kind of pressure?

Really, last time you guys basically said it was just that mosque and it was all wrong - now the exact same video, and exact content with a different title is floating around Muslim forums and Muslims are patting each other on the back:

"From Islamonline" wrote:
Subhanalllah!!!!!!!!

Truly thanks for the link..it was simply very moving and touching...i cried a lot..it was beautiful 2 c the young ones struggling to learn about islam...

But the movie was getting stuck a lot in between..anyway it was still awesome!!

May Allah guide EACH n EVERY HUMAN BEING!! ameen

Every religion has it's whackos that run around breaking rules left and right for their own purposes, we have evangelicals. But the most disturbing thing about this episode is to look at the popularity of that video among perfectly rational mainstream Muslims. - It's popular, each one quoting this "parents make their children non-Muslim" garbage. The sheer popularity alone doesn't indicate to me that I can expect this kind of behavior to stop.

So please, reassure me this isn't a problem, or that it's a problem that's being taken care of, because this celebration of a violation is more disturbing than any suicide attack.

Where in any of this do I have reason to be calm?

"Constantine" wrote:

As a future parent, what reason do I have to be calm about this? Should I trust the hijabi teacher with my kids while they are at school, that she isn't like Med or like this Imam applying that kind of pressure?

He's has a point, how do we know that Muslims in positions of trust aree will not in their zeal act like this.

It gives me new insight into the Prophetic Narration SAW which teaches us not to become extreme, as being extreme destroyed those before us.

Some Muslims, many because they have not been in the contrary position, do not realise how sometimes they can come across as elitist, and Holier than thou. However the scary thing is when it goes beyond that into ignoble justification. Its is not from Islam to uphoild: "The ends justify the means." It is painful for people when pressure is bought to bear against them to change the way they think, believe, their identity.

For those who are inseure in their identity and seeking Truth it is more so.

[b]A Muslim is he who gladens another's Heart.[/b]

The word Da' wa in Arabic litereally means to invite to a feast, and an invitation isn't really an invitiation unless their is the option of turning it down. Lets do it right. Biggrin

Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.

Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes

To be blunt - yes a muslim is better than a kafir. Simple as that. A muslim is superior to a kafir.

Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

"Med" wrote:
To be blunt - yes a muslim is better than a kafir. Simple as that. A muslim is superior to a kafir.

But is any given Muslim superior to any given kafir?

Sorry to drift off the topic again.

I remember the documentary mentioned well and I’m not impressed with the attitude of the Mosque. It seemed like dangerous form of point scoring: “we got one of theirs!”. You can’t play around with children in that way and pressurise them, it’s very very wrong.

The kids were being taught a lot about Pakistani/Asian culture and a little bit about Islam. Kids just want to fit in with the crowd and to me those kids simply wanted to be like their Pakistani neighbours so they don’t feel left out. It’s not right to harass kids about things they don’t really understand.

Dawud’s comments are wise. Well said.

"Dawud" wrote:
. Med ask your heart, do you really think this was the rioght way to act?

My brother those people ask their hearts who have purified it and are free from disease and have controlled their nafs. The hadeeth upon which you have based this advice for me is referring to those pure hearts - not to those who are diseased and who no control over their nafs - hence what my heart says is irrelevant as it is not mu'tabar.

I think Shaykh AbdulQadir Jeelani rahimahullah wrote a treatise on this hadeeth - inshaALLAH if I find it I'll let u knw.

See some people think that saying Islaam is superior and muslims are superior is arrogance and is rude. Well thats a matter of opinion but we know from the Aathar of Sahaabah Karaam and from the Books of Fiqah that Islaam IS superior and the way the Sahaabah Karaam alayhim ridhwaan behaved infront of the forces of Kufr are testament to this.

So I would say I have followed in the way of our Pious Predecessors where kufr was dishonoured and humiliated and the Religion was raised.

Interesting how some are so weak as to object on a muslims statements which are based on the Quran and Sunnah and ignore the abuse of a kafir for an Imam. Im sure if I went off on one abt dodgy imams and deviants the mods here would be rushing to ban me - but wen it comes to a kafir abusing an imam - its ok cos he's . .. . ? what?

Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

"Med" wrote:

So I would say I have followed in the way of our Pious Predecessors where kufr was dishonoured and humiliated and the Religion was raised.

Med,

Would you say you were an arrogant person?

"Med" wrote:
See some people think that saying Islaam is superior and muslims are superior is arrogance and is rude. Well thats a matter of opinion but we know from the Aathar of Sahaabah Karaam and from the Books of Fiqah that Islaam IS superior and the way the Sahaabah Karaam alayhim ridhwaan behaved infront of the forces of Kufr are testament to this.

Islam is superior to kufr. But is a Muslim always superior to a kafir?

"Med" wrote:
To be blunt - yes a muslim is better than a kafir. Simple as that. A muslim is superior to a kafir.

Ahh fascism.

Dave have you watched the documentary? To draw parallels between that and exdous of "White people" is ludicrous. She recited the first surah and as a gesture the brother offered her Pizza, this isn’t hard to comprehend.

Allah Guides whom he wills- and for those of doubting their sincerity and revert to Islam, be prepared for your shortcomings

"Constantine" wrote:
"Angel" wrote:
oookay, calm down guys...

Why?

Clearly some Muslims believe they have the right to brainwash non-Muslim children, since they are doing it. And clearly they have a cadre of supporters who completely agree with this as a matter of principle. Equally clearly other Muslims don't care if it happens - I did afterall post the links to the various other forums on which they are congratulating each other over this "miraculous" conversion of non-Muslim children.

Focus on converting or saving the Jews.

"(*_Shazan" wrote:
Dave have you watched the documentary? To draw parallels between that and exdous of "White people" is ludicrous. She recited the first surah and as a gesture the brother offered her Pizza, this isn’t hard to comprehend.

Yea, watched the documentary, this is how I know about it and recognized the kids.

It's not a "Parallel" it's the documentary itself repackaged with a new title - watch the documentary yourself, it's called "the Last White Kids." They were under constant pressure to convert, were attacked at school, and to top it off this Imam (knowing full well what was happening) continued to pressure them and entice them with food. The mother finally broke her silence and stopped letting them go to the mosque.

Most memorable line:

‘if you are white, no one can see your face, so they think you are
Muslim.’

You're right, it's not so hard to comprehend what's going on here.

"Constantine" wrote:

Yea, watched the documentary, this is how I know about it and recognized the kids.

It's not a "Parallel" it's the documentary itself repackaged with a new title - watch the documentary yourself, it's called "the Last White Kids." They were under constant pressure to convert, were attacked at school, and to top it off this Imam (knowing full well what was happening) continued to pressure them and entice them with food. The mother finally broke her silence and stopped letting them go to the mosque.

Most memorable line:

‘if you are white, no one can see your face, so they think you are
Muslim.’

You're right, it's not so hard to comprehend what's going on here.

Clearly you need to go back a little in time and read up and how much racism, prejudice and violence the first generation of Asian immigrants faced when they first arrived in United Kingdom, only then you may understand why white people may feel isolated because we were made to feel like outsider's/ 3rd class citizens when we first arrived, and some have put into practice hard lessons demonstrated to them.

How much pressure is their on a Muslim in non-muslim society? We accept this because we already know this world is like a prison for us and a paradise for the non believer

"(*_Shazan" wrote:
"Constantine" wrote:

Yea, watched the documentary, this is how I know about it and recognized the kids.

It's not a "Parallel" it's the documentary itself repackaged with a new title - watch the documentary yourself, it's called "the Last White Kids." They were under constant pressure to convert, were attacked at school, and to top it off this Imam (knowing full well what was happening) continued to pressure them and entice them with food. The mother finally broke her silence and stopped letting them go to the mosque.

Most memorable line:

‘if you are white, no one can see your face, so they think you are
Muslim.’

You're right, it's not so hard to comprehend what's going on here.

Clearly you need to go back a little in time and read up and how much racism, prejudice and violence the first generation of Asian immigrants faced when they first arrived in United Kingdom, only then you may understand why white people may feel isolated because we were made to feel like outsider's/ 3rd class citizens when we first arrived, and some have put into practice hard lessons demonstrated to them.

Tu quoque, logical fallacy.

Clearly you need to watch the full documentary detailing the brutal beatings, constant intimidation, and systematic attacking by the Islamic community on these kids before you attempt to explain anything whatsoever to me about why Muslims have the right to target and intimidate children into "embracing" Islam.

"Constantine" wrote:

Tu quoque, logical fallacy.

Clearly you need to watch the full documentary detailing the brutal beatings, constant intimidation, and systematic attacking by the Islamic community on these kids before you attempt to explain anything whatsoever to me about why Muslims have the right to target and intimidate children into "embracing" Islam.

I'll decline to watch it, from your summary it hardly proves anything factual or any points worth debating over.

You called Med a fascist seems like your only interested in preserving white population once inhabited in now Asian areas.

Dave stop injecting your hogwash into this conversation.

"(*_Shazan" wrote:
How much pressure is their on a Muslim in non-muslim society? We accept this because we already know this world is like a prison for us and a paradise for the non believer

So basically what you're saying is "Islam allows us to coerce and cajole non-Muslim kids because I think they do it to us,"

And did you read the original thread?

"Constantine" wrote:
"(*_Shazan" wrote:
How much pressure is their on a Muslim in non-muslim society? We accept this because we already know this world is like a prison for us and a paradise for the non believer

So basically what you're saying is "Islam allows us to coerce and cajole non-Muslim kids because I think they do it to us,"

And did you read the original thread?

Allah guides whom he wills.

No one groomed these two sisters in accepting Islam- to make such accusations is blasphemes.

"(*_Shazan" wrote:
"Constantine" wrote:

Tu quoque, logical fallacy.

Clearly you need to watch the full documentary detailing the brutal beatings, constant intimidation, and systematic attacking by the Islamic community on these kids before you attempt to explain anything whatsoever to me about why Muslims have the right to target and intimidate children into "embracing" Islam.

I'll decline to watch it, from your summary it hardly proves anything factual or any points worth debating over.

You called Med a fascist seems like your only interested in preserving Aryan population once inhabited in now Asian areas.

Dave stop injecting your hogwash into this conversation.

It is fascism. "Muslims are Superior to the Kaffir ergo we can attack their kids" if you're signed on board for that you're fascist too.

Shazan you don't know what you are talking about - you already disclosed as much when you passed forward this garbage and admitted you've never even seen the original doc. What point do you have in this conversation other than "Hey! I don't like that he's angry we think we can convert any non-Muslim children we find!"

lol and yea, I'm interested in preserving my religion against this kind of deliberate and disgusting attack.

Throwing the word "Aryan" in there to distract us is just another revelation that you're in over your head in this conversation.

Why don't you just stick to topics you know about, k?

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