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then you needed to post something longer. like 24 hours long. "dont post til you have watched it all!"

i love this video, never got round to watching the whole thing before. Jzakallah khair for the upload

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Yes there is a comparison. Because people have made it.

Why be so extreme.

As for the topic of the video, some of SI's questions are directly answered in there.

Muslimeen wrote:

I did not watch the video but the topic really makes me laugh. Can their even be a comparison?

Atheism is the work of the devil, no two ways about it. Hypocrits if you ask me. They don't believe in god but they choose to adopt his moral codes. Does that makes sense? Morality stems from religion, be it christianity, judaism or Islam, all religions of god.
If you are an atheist why bother with morality??

Why stop incest? (Stop incest)
Stealing?
murder?
rape?
Homosexuality?

The only reason I can see them following some sort of morality is because in most countries it's against the law. Other than than that who cares?? There is no god as per there belief, sleep with your mother or daughter, rape anyone your heart feels like as long as you can get away with it or kill or rob it makes no difference you will turn to dirt in the end in any case, there is no accountability to any higher divine being.

Simply put if there was a purely atheist state, anarchy would be the order of the day. A completely lawless and a totally immoral society. Make sense?????

yes

peoples values change as they go on in life that is why slowly the law also changes.

Islam also has values but they will never change, so the muslims should never change.

Muslimeen wrote:

Why stop incest?

Cos it's baaaad.

Stop Incest is a person.

Lilly wrote:

Stop Incest is a person.

I know, I was just being an idiot :L

RawrrsIsaRollingStone wrote:

Lilly wrote:

Stop Incest is a person.

I know, I was just being an idiot :L

clarifying for anyone who reads this topic. and Muslimeen didnt seem to know either. that really was for him. I know you're smarter than that!

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OMG T don!! what have you done!! just pressed quote and something horrid came up!

Muslimeen wrote:

I did not watch the video but the topic really makes me laugh. Can their even be a comparison?

Muslimeen wrote:

Atheism is the work of the devil, no two ways about it. Hypocrits if you ask me. They don't believe in god but they choose to adopt his moral codes. Does that makes sense? Morality stems from religion, be it christianity, judaism or Islam, all religions of god.
If you are an atheist why bother with morality??

Why do you have to be religious to follow moral codes its a matter of common sense, you say that morality stems from religion but have you forgotten the pope scandal an Imaam was also sent to jail in the same regards where was there morality??

Muslimeen wrote:

Why stop incest? (Stop incest)
Stealing?
murder?
rape?
Homosexuality?

As all the things above are wrong

Muslimeen wrote:

The only reason I can see them following some sort of morality is because in most countries it's against the law. Other than than that who cares?? There is no god as per there belief, sleep with your mother or daughter, rape anyone your heart feels like as long as you can get away with it or kill or rob it makes no difference you will turn to dirt in the end in any case, there is no accountability to any higher divine being.

Simply put if there was a purely atheist state, anarchy would be the order of the day. A completely lawless and a totally immoral society. Make sense?????

But sleeping with your Mother or Daughter is incest and its sick sick sick
Why is rape going up day by day in Pakistan Mukhtara Mahi is one case that springs to mind but she has benefited from it

Everyday in Karachi 10 or more people are killed over its a Muslim country why are people killing each other?

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OK, before we bash atheism we need to understand it fully before countering it.

There are many atheists who have morals and they'll probably argue that following morals makes you happier, more appreciated and safer.
However, who decides what is right or wrong? What's the objective way of deciding that? The answer is either by societal norms or some divine guidance. Now, if you believe that societal norms are the way to define morality then that means at one point racism, oppression of women and slaves was OK.

But say if someone who lives a good life gets walked over and over again, for most people the knowledge that some person some day might have some appreciation for them isn;t good enough. But as Mulsims we believe you'll either get rewarded in this life, sooner or later, or in the next. But your reward will definately come. That's a more compelling and encouraging reason to do good and stay away from the wrong.

Muslimeen wrote:

stopincest wrote:

Muslimeen wrote:

I did not watch the video but the topic really makes me laugh. Can their even be a comparison?

Muslimeen wrote:

Atheism is the work of the devil, no two ways about it. Hypocrits if you ask me. They don't believe in god but they choose to adopt his moral codes. Does that makes sense? Morality stems from religion, be it christianity, judaism or Islam, all religions of god.
If you are an atheist why bother with morality??

Why do you have to be religious to follow moral codes its a matter of common sense, you say that morality stems from religion but have you forgotten the pope scandal an Imaam was also sent to jail in the same regards where was there morality??

Muslimeen wrote:

Why stop incest? (Stop incest)
Stealing?
murder?
rape?
Homosexuality?

As all the things above are wrong

Muslimeen wrote:

The only reason I can see them following some sort of morality is because in most countries it's against the law. Other than than that who cares?? There is no god as per there belief, sleep with your mother or daughter, rape anyone your heart feels like as long as you can get away with it or kill or rob it makes no difference you will turn to dirt in the end in any case, there is no accountability to any higher divine being.

Simply put if there was a purely atheist state, anarchy would be the order of the day. A completely lawless and a totally immoral society. Make sense?????

But sleeping with your Mother or Daughter is incest and its sick sick sick
Why is rape going up day by day in Pakistan Mukhtara Mahi is one case that springs to mind but she has benefited from it

Everyday in Karachi 10 or more people are killed over its a Muslim country why are people killing each other?

Incest is sick you are right, but god has made that forbidden on us humans, not animals, not on monkeys. Atheist's believe we are from apes, so why the restriction???
Have you ever heard of inbreeding in animals? For preservation of genes, certain favourable characteristics etc. So animals, apes don't have a problem with incest.

Yes morality stems from religion, from god, not apes, show me the morals code followed by apes??
You highlighted above all the evils I mentioned as wrong, why??
Let me rephrase this, WHO MADE THIS WRONG????

Ethical and moral codes didn't fall from the skies, nor did they evolve from nowhere like Darwins theory, you can trace back their origin from religion. Religion is from God, so following some sort of morality is in partiality following God. But since you don't believe in his existence you simply cannot follow anything that comes from God. So once again, why to atheist feel the need to destroy God yet follow his moral codes????

The rest of the banter you are going on about, religious people committing crimes or people being killed in muslim countries etc. is all baseless. Religion/God has forbidden all of these but it's man who chooses to do otherwise. You cannot judge a religion by the actions of some of it's followers. You got to study the religion itself before making assumptions.

Muslims still practice incest in the form of cousin marriage which the Quran backs up just like alot of the other religious books
If God had made incest forbidden for animals would they have the brian to understand that?
I'm an Atheist with basic morals I don't follow them because God has told me to but out of common sense

Along time ago I think the Greeks use to marry there mother after there father was killed in war or something was religion around then? where were there moralities?
People use to worship the sun and think of it as god

Just because you define it as such does not make it so.

and we have had that discussion before.

Any more and it WILL be censored.

I'm an Atheist

ok....

People use to worship the sun and think of it as god

and now they worship themselves...great improvement...

This is what Stephen Hawking thinks about heaven

A belief that heaven or an afterlife awaits us is a "fairy story" for people afraid of death, Stephen Hawking has said.

In a dismissal that underlines his firm rejection of religious comforts, Britain's most eminent scientist said there was nothing beyond the moment when the brain flickers for the final time.

Hawking, who was diagnosed with motor neurone disease at the age of 21, shares his thoughts on death, human purpose and our chance existence in an exclusive interview with the Guardian today.

The incurable illness was expected to kill Hawking within a few years of its symptoms arising, an outlook that turned the young scientist to Wagner, but ultimately led him to enjoy life more, he has said, despite the cloud hanging over his future.

"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he said.

"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark," he added.

Hawking's latest comments go beyond those laid out in his 2010 book, The Grand Design, in which he asserted that there is no need for a creator to explain the existence of the universe. The book provoked a backlash from some religious leaders, including the chief rabbi, Lord Sacks, who accused Hawking of committing an "elementary fallacy" of logic.

The 69-year-old physicist fell seriously ill after a lecture tour in the US in 2009 and was taken to Addenbrookes hospital in an episode that sparked grave concerns for his health. He has since returned to his Cambridge department as director of research.

The physicist's remarks draw a stark line between the use of God as a metaphor and the belief in an omniscient creator whose hands guide the workings of the cosmos.

In his bestselling 1988 book, A Brief History of Time, Hawking drew on the device so beloved of Einstein, when he described what it would mean for scientists to develop a "theory of everything" – a set of equations that described every particle and force in the entire universe. "It would be the ultimate triumph of human reason – for then we should know the mind of God," he wrote.

The book sold a reported 9 million copies and propelled the physicist to instant stardom. His fame has led to guest roles in The Simpsons, Star Trek: The Next Generation and Red Dwarf. One of his greatest achievements in physics is a theory that describes how black holes emit radiation.

In the interview, Hawking rejected the notion of life beyond death and emphasised the need to fulfil our potential on Earth by making good use of our lives. In answer to a question on how we should live, he said, simply: "We should seek the greatest value of our action."

In answering another, he wrote of the beauty of science, such as the exquisite double helix of DNA in biology, or the fundamental equations of physics.

Hawking responded to questions posed by the Guardian and a reader in advance of a lecture tomorrow at the Google Zeitgeist meeting in London, in which he will address the question: "Why are we here?"

In the talk, he will argue that tiny quantum fluctuations in the very early universe became the seeds from which galaxies, stars, and ultimately human life emerged. "Science predicts that many different kinds of universe will be spontaneously created out of nothing. It is a matter of chance which we are in," he said.

Hawking suggests that with modern space-based instruments, such as the European Space Agency's Planck mission, it may be possible to spot ancient fingerprints in the light left over from the earliest moments of the universe and work out how our own place in space came to be.

His talk will focus on M-theory, a broad mathematical framework that encompasses string theory, which is regarded by many physicists as the best hope yet of developing a theory of everything.

M-theory demands a universe with 11 dimensions, including a dimension of time and the three familiar spatial dimensions. The rest are curled up too small for us to see.

Evidence in support of M-theory might also come from the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at Cern, the European particle physics laboratory near Geneva.

One possibility predicted by M-theory is supersymmetry, an idea that says fundamental particles have heavy – and as yet undiscovered – twins, with curious names such as selectrons and squarks.

Confirmation of supersymmetry would be a shot in the arm for M-theory and help physicists explain how each force at work in the universe arose from one super-force at the dawn of time.

Another potential discovery at the LHC, that of the elusive Higgs boson, which is thought to give mass to elementary particles, might be less welcome to Hawking, who has a long-standing bet that the long-sought entity will never be found at the laboratory.

Hawking will join other speakers at the London event, including the chancellor, George Osborne, and the Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

I really don't see the point of this post, it proves nothing and there's no logic behind the theories. All muslims are taught to not fear death, rather we should infact prepare for it.

It seems to me that you're not going to take anything anyone of us say seriously cause you don't believe anyone of us is qualified to speak about such issues.

You've probably read one too many books by many famous people and now you judge what someone says by who that person is rather than judging the person by what he says.

So i'm not gonna bother trying to explain anymore.

I recommend you watch the above video or watch the many debates between atheists and muslim scholars. Such as Dr Zakir Naik or Ahmed Deedat.

There have also been many debates in Oxford Uni that may be on Youtube

dont see the point either. not like HAwking's a reference or anything...

but... sad life for the one who believes not in hell/paradise. sad life indeed....