Learning from the Gypsy community

A while ago on the forums I was linked to a Channel 4 Production titled "" - a look at the gypsy community, its challenges and its customs.

It was quite an eye opener for me and I think we should envy some of the things they have accomplished and others they have managed to keep. Ideas that many Muslims are rebelling against, they have managed to keep. Using to describe a few of the things I am talking about:

The parents don't want kids to drink, smoke, do drugs, or go out on their own/without their permission.

No 'relations' before marriage

Marriage at quite a young age, and quite a sacred thing.

Just imagine how much trouble the "not going out without permission" is causing to young Muslims, yet they manage to accept and approve of it - and lets forget how much of an issue early marriage can be!

The average age for marriage in their community is just 17. (and yes, I do think that for the Islamic system to work, marriage in general needs to be something that is done young - otherwise the system simply cannot work.)

While the dress sense may not be too appropriate, other things such as early marriage, no sexual relations before mariage etc would fit right in with Muslim ideals - and this is something they seem to be keeping.

The Romani community seems to have resisted the cultural revolutions of the last 50 or so years and managed to hold onto its ideals in a way that Muslims should really be looking into the whys of.

There is a strong sense of belonging, and the people reject changes to their culture (which is based on religion - catholicism).

How have they managed to do this? It seems a good contender for this is not something most people would expect - almost universal prejudice.

Yes you heard that right. They may have managed to hold onto what was dear to them because people are and were prejudiced against them.

What that prejudice has done is give them a very strong sense of belonging.

It has also given them a certainty - this is who they are and there is no namby pamby need or desire to change themselves to conform to others' ideals.

There is no false ideal, no doubt about where they belong. As such, the people are less likely to stray from their ideals, simply because they will not be accepted.

More they accept and relish this unlike many Muslims who try to circumvent the measures and twist things. There are many Muslims (including me) who do many things that are unislamic and we can do this because of how things are less prejudiced against us.

There are many Muslims who date, have relations before marriage, smoke, drink, take and sell drugs. They are even accepted by Non Muslims and allowed to integrate into such things - tell me how many working muslims HAVEN'T been invited to the pub? I would suspect that would be a very very small number.

It should not be easy for people to slide into decay and chaos subconciously - it should be a case where if they want to, they have to actually and consciously choose such things, but currently, under the mantra of integration lines are becoming so blurred that people are just falling off the bandwaggons in ways they do not even realise - possibly with no way back.

So people, prejudice is not all bad and we have much much to learn from the Romani community.

Comments

Ooh i like it Acute

It is weird, because you never hear about Gypsies, much less their ethics
so you never really have any ideas besides of long skirts and jangly anklets

#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #

Or you hear more negative things.

I doubt many expect them to respect the law in any sense shape or form... or maybe that is just the impression that I have been given?

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

What negative things do you hear?

#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #

Mostly of petty crime/theft etc when they move onto a caravan site etc.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

hmmm, very true....I think we've lost our love for our deen now and thats why everything it tells us to do or not to do, we take as a restriction rather than a blessing from Allah as a form of protection in the corrupted world....

I personally think when i look at gypsies... outcasts and beggers... obviously, this article had given me a different perspective of things! It seems as though they have ethics and beliefs which their people actually abide by...it's something for our muslim communities to learn from i think! Smile

"That's the thing about pain. It demands to be felt" - Augustus Waters

Its more about understanding and acceptance IMO.

If people are not taught why they are to do something, eventually they ask why are they doing it.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

You wrote:
Its more about understanding and acceptance IMO.

If people are not taught why they are to do something, eventually they ask why are they doing it.


in a way but then that's like saying, that the muslims don't explain to thier children etc why they are doing something... and i think that's kinda stereotypical. I dunno, i guess though in the other way it's true....hmmmm :doubt:

"That's the thing about pain. It demands to be felt" - Augustus Waters