Muslim killing a Muslim because he was not Muslim enough?

Published by As i see it on 9 July, 2016 - 17:57

Muslim killing a Muslim because he was not Muslim enough? No we are not talking ISIL in Syria, but Glasgow in the United Kingdom.

Now that the trial of Tanveer Ahmed is over for the killing of Asad Shah the shop keeper in Glasgow.

[“UK: Muslim ‘expert’ on Islamist radicalisation says stabbed Ahmadi shopkeeper was ‘not a real Muslim’] Researcher Shiraz Maher wrote he does not ‘regard Ahmadis as Muslims’

It would be interesting to know what people who frequent revival think about the Ahmadiyya Sect of Islam.

The main difference appears to be, that were most Muslims agree that there will be a Mahdi sometime, the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam say that he as come Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as, the Promised Messiah and Mahdi.

A difference of opinion, yes, but a reason to kill for?

Tanveer Ahmed, the killer of Asad Shah was a Sunnii from Bradford and lived in the Toller area

The Nearest mosque to where Ahmed, lived was

I don’t know what sect of Islam they follow, but I have put the link up for information.

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Lastly a poem from the years of the troubles in Northern Ireland that may be of interest.

All of these people

Who was it that suggested the opposite of war?

Is not so much peace as civilisation?

He knew, Our assassinated Catholic greengrocer who died

At Christmas in the arms of our Methodist minister.

And our ice cream man whose continuing requiem;

Is the twenty-one flavours, that the children know by heart

Our cobbler mends shoes for everybody; our butcher blends into

his best sausages. leeks, garlic and honey.

Our corner shop, sells everything from bread to kindling.

Who can bring peace to people who are not civilised?

All of these people, alive or dead, are civilised.

MICHEAL LONGLEY

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insulting Islam
islam and muslims

Comments

Submitted by You on 10 July, 2016 - 00:59

Its not a matter of “not muslim enough” as qadiyanis are not Muslims just like Muslims are not Christians/Jews.

the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam say that he as come Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as, the Promised Messiah and Mahdi.

They also consider him to be a new prophet – which Islamic tradition says there will not be any more.

When thinking about the act of murder that occurred you should know that there are over a million Muslims in the UK and there is also a large Muslim community in Glasgow. The Muslim community in Glasgow will also have known of the shop keeper and that he was a qadiyani. However from all of those other people, he was safe. Except from this one person.

If this person had been white he would have been described as a loner, probably as a normally police and nice person who just snapped. But since he wasn’t white and was Muslim, his name of his religion is attached to his crime. This is unfair to the mre than a million other Muslims in the UK who did not carry out the murder.

We should talk about something positive some times. Have you heard of Abdul Sattar Edhi?

Probably the world’s greatest humanitarian has passed away in the past few days. He may not have been recognised in the west, but he was recognised in pakistan, where he did most of his work.

He is the type of person people should think of when faced with the word “Muslim”.

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Submitted by As i see it on 11 July, 2016 - 11:40

When thinking about the act of murder that occurred you should know that there are over a million Muslims in the UK and there is also a large Muslim community in Glasgow. The Muslim community in Glasgow will also have known of the shop keeper and that he was a qadiyani. However from all of those other people, he was safe. Except from this one person.

This is true; but it only takes one person to destroy the reputation of the many.

If this person had been white he would have been described as a loner, probably as a normally police and nice person who just snapped. But since he wasn’t white and was Muslim, his name of his religion is attached to his crime. This is unfair to the more than a million other Muslims in the UK who did not carry out the murder.

First of all, it is not a question of his colour. Many Muslims condemn the west through its actions in the Muslim world. It is also used as an excuse by Radical Muslims to attack the west. [Not that an excuse is needed] it is nothing to do with Islam. It is just an attempt to gain power and control.

Yet most of the ordinary people condemn the actions of their leaders, yet are powerless to stop it. Yet we are still judged collectively has being responsible. Does this not sound familiar?

The Ahmadiyya are not alone in expecting a Mahdi. The Shiites are waiting, the Jews are still waiting for the true messiah. Whilst Christians are still waiting for Jesus to return, and claim his Kingdom. What is different, we don’t, are rather as a group have stopped killing people whose views differ from our interpretation, or beliefs. The Blasphemy law as been abolished in the west, though this was not without a battle.

The Orthodox Jews, except that within the Jewish community there are Messianic Jews who say that Jesus was the long awaited Messiah that was promised in the scriptures, but they are still accepted as Jews.

Within Christianity there was a long debate about the Communion. Did the bread and wine actually become the body and blood of Jesus, or was it just a symbol? Which led sometimes to violent disagreements. The Catholics said it became the actual body and blood of Jesus, whilst to non-Catholics it remained just a symbol. To this day non-Catholics are not allowed to share communion with Catholics, yet in every other sense we are accepted as Christians.

They, the Ahmadiyyads ,also consider him to be a new prophet – which Islamic tradition says there will not be any more.

For this reason alone, the Ahmadiyya are persecuted in countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh, not to mention that pillar of Muslim values, The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia?

In Pakistan, certain people have tried to modify the Blasphemy laws and have also defended people who have fallen foul of these laws. The late governor of the Punjab  Salmaan Taseer in 2011. The execution of his murderer, Mumtaz Qadri, in March of this year. caused a demonstration.

Following the carrying out of Mumtaz Qadri's death sentence for the murder, a post on Facebook by the Bradford based Imam Muhammad Asim Hussain, said it was a "dark day in the history of Pakistan; the day … Mumtaz [Qadri] was wrongfully executed and martyred in the way of Allah, when he did what he did in honour of the Prophet."

It may or not be true, but this may have been the real reason why Tanveer Ahmed killed Asad Shah in Glasgow?

Not to mention the rallies that took palace in Pakistan after the execution of Mumtaz Qadris in March

Here is a link to a document on Pakistan’s Blasphemy Law you might find interesting.

As you say there are over a million Muslims who live in Britain, I thought it was over two million, then again you might be meaning a million Muslims from Pakistan/Bangladesh? As it is mainly from this community that the pressure to make Sharia Law more acceptable within the UK has come from.

A read through of the pdf for the above link might be enlightening. Then ask two questions;

1] How does Pakistan/Bangladesh treatment of minorities that live within their countries compare with the UK, or even the EU and the west in general?

2] On reading the following quotes, taken from The Prophet’s Love and Tolerance for Mankind

Published by Contributor on 19 January, 2015 - 18:37

According to a hadith, the Prophet once said, “A true believer is one with whom others feel secure. One who returns love for hatred.” The Prophet made it clear that one who would only return love for love was on a lower ethical plane. We should never think that we should treat people well only if they treat us well. We should, rather, be accustomed to being good to those who are not good to us and to not wronging those who harm us.

In the present world, everyone’s thinking, tastes, aptitude, likes, and dislikes can never exactly coincide. For many reasons, differences do arise in this world. But then, what is the permanent solution to the problem? The solution lies in tolerance. The Prophet’s entire life served as a perfect example of this principle. According to his wife `A’ishah, “He was a personification of the Qur’an.”

How do we compare, by we I mean both the Muslim world and the Secular/Christian west?

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