does he not promise his followers heaven? is targetting and killing innocents not wrong on all acounts? thus is he not guaranteeing hell for those to ehome he has promised heaven?
You may disagree. That is allowed, but IMO could be a dajjal of this time. The diference being both extremes could be dajjaal...
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Medarris on 20 January, 2006 - 21:46 #32
What Dajjaal promises as heaven will actually be hell.
Qadiyani does fit that image.
So does OBL... (afterall you do not go to heaven for killing inncent people...)
no OBL does not ....
the 30 dajaals preceding the coming of the dajaal shall ALL claim to be the messenger of ALLAH..
dont know how you said that.
Submitted by Beast on 24 January, 2006 - 11:40 #34
[size=18]Bin Laden on Palestine[/size]
[i]From a review of 'Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama bin Laden', edited by Bruce Lawrence, Verso, 2005.[/i]
Take Palestine. It is widely assumed that al-Qaeda's violence is primarily motivated by Israel's oppression of the Palestinians and will continue until that issue is resolved. Yet bin Laden's nods to Palestine over the past 10 years tell a different story.
In 1994 bin Laden only mentions Palestine as a way of having a pop at the rulers of Saudi Arabia, whom he really despises for 'betraying' Islam and for having the nerve to expel him from Saudi territory (his birthplace) in 1991 and revoke his citizenship in 1994. Bruce Lawrence, editor of this collection, has given bin Laden's first major public pronouncement - made on 29 December 1994 - the heading 'The betrayal of Palestine'; but when you read it, Palestine is cynically mentioned as part of bin Laden's spat with Saudi rulers. The statement is in fact a letter to Chief Mufti bin Baz, the Head of the Council of the ulema in Saudi Arabia, issued by the Advice and Reform Committee set up by bin Laden to 'promote peaceful and constructive reform with regard to the way Arabia is governed' and whose offices were in Dollis Hill, north London (!).
That the editor has headlined the statement 'The betrayal of Palestine' points to a political agenda on his and the publisher's part - even suggesting that their aim is to give consistency and coherence to bin Laden's rants where neither exists. This early statement would have been better headlined 'The betrayal of Osama bin Laden….by those Saudi bastards!' It is an obscurantist screed about how Saudi rulers have put big business before pure Islam, such as by allowing 'the practice of usury, which is now widespread in the country thanks to the usurious state institutions and banks whose towers are competing with the minarets of the two Holy Sanctuaries'. The stuff about Palestine comes a poor second to bin Laden's boring complaints about usury, some Saudi royal wearing a crucifix (sacrilege!), and Saudi support for 'the leaders of apostasy, the Communist Socialists in Yemen'.
Bin Laden sounds like a spoilt middle-class brat sticking two fingers up at his family and former friends (he was once close to various Saudi rulers) for getting all money-obsessed, dude. In fact, that's exactly what he is: the son of a Saudi billionaire who in the 1970s made a fortune from running one of daddy's construction firms and drove a white Chrysler, but then went all religious and decided that capitalism is not very nice. If he'd been born in the Home Counties instead of Riyadh, he would probably have been one of those Eton-educated types who turn their backs on privilege and piss off their parents by becoming smelly hippies who smash up McDonald's.
Fast forward 10 years to 15 April 2004, and bin Laden is describing Palestine as the 'real' issue. If his big issue in 1994 was that backward Saudi Arabia wasn't quite backward enough for his tastes, then in 2004 it is 'the destruction and murder of our people' in Palestine and elsewhere. What changed? It wasn't that bin Laden suddenly became a selfless warrior fighting for Palestinian freedom but rather that many in the West presumed that 9/11 and other attacks must have been motivated by Palestine and bin Laden took such views on board. Look at how he talks about Palestine in 2004: 'As for your leaders and their followers, who persistently ignore the real problem, which is the occupation of Palestine….' That could have come, verbatim, from any number of editorials, comment pieces or blog entries of the post-9/11 period which claimed that Bush and Blair should resolve the 'real' issue of the Middle East if they want to do something about al-Qaeda. And what exactly is bin Laden calling for when he accuses Western leaders of 'ignoring' the real problem of Palestine? More Western intervention? A better peace process? What?
Even when bin Laden's statements are liberally peppered with references to Palestine (as often they are), he only mentions it opportunistically and symbolically; there is no real or practical input into Palestinian politics. In 2001, his second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri said: 'The fact that must be acknowledged is that the issue of Palestine is the cause that has been firing up the feelings of the Muslim nation from Morocco to Indonesia for the past 50 years.' (3) By 2004, bin Laden has recognised that it also fires up feelings in the West. Indeed, he rather bizarrely calls 'upon just men [in Europe], especially scholars, media and businessmen, to form a permanent commission to raise awareness among Europeans of the justice of our causes, primarily Palestine, making use of the enormous potential of the media'. That sentence sums up how cynical is bin Laden's focus on Palestine: it's an attempt to make an impact on the Western consciousness rather than on the ground in Ramallah. It also shows how much he's driven by Western-style lingo and politics: he wants a 'commission' to 'raise awareness' about Palestine through the 'media'….just what kind of warrior for God is he?
Submitted by Omrow on 24 January, 2006 - 12:25 #35
Salam
Bin Laden in simply a product of belief system that is pleasing only to Satan.
Clerics from groups such a Salafis, Deobandis, JIP, JI, SSP, FIS, MMA, Tablighi Jamat, Wahhabis,
and many others are busy closing the minds of their student by brainwashing them against everything western.
These scholars are far astray from the peaceful teachings of Prophet Muhammad.
[size=18]Duke Professor Skeptical of bin Laden Tape By Amber Rupinta[/size]
(01/19/06 -- DURHAM) - A Duke professor says he is doubtful about Thursday's audiotape from Osama bin Laden.
Bruce Lawrence has just published ?Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama Bin Laden,? a book translating bin Laden?s writing. He is skeptical of Thursday?s message.
?It was like a voice from the grave,? Lawrence said.
He thinks bin Laden is dead and has doubts about the tape. Lawrence recently analyzed more than 20 complete speeches and interviews of the al Qaida leader for his book. He says the new message is missing several key elements.
?There?s nothing in this from the Koran. He?s, by his own standards, a faithful Muslim,? Lawrence said. ?He quotes scripture in defense of his actions. There?s no quotation from the Koran in the excerpts we got, no reference to specific events, no reference to past atrocities.?
While the CIA confirms the voice on the tape is bin Laden?s, Lawrence questions when it was recorded. He says the timing of its release could be to divert attention from last week?s U.S. air strike in Pakistan. The strike targeted bin Laden?s deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, and killed four leading al Qaeda figures along with civilians.
Lawrence believes faulty Pakistani intelligence led to the strike and the civilian deaths, and the tape was leaked by Pakistani authorities to divert attention from their mistake.
?It led to a failed military operation where America got blamed, but they people who are really to blame are the ones who provided the intelligence,? Lawrence said. ?I think this is an effort to say were not going look at this terrible incident that happened.?
Another element that Lawrence takes issue with in bin Laden?s latest message is it?s length - - only 10 minutes. Previously, the shortest was 18 minutes.
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
Submitted by Medarris on 24 January, 2006 - 22:32 #37
Usury - this is a war with ALLAH
Crucifix
Atheism
The other two are shirk.
I find it interesting that people make objection to som1 objecting on these issues just because they disagree with the person on his "terrorism" doesnt mean they should be so blind as to object to his criticism of anti islamic acitivty.
why?
does he not promise his followers heaven? is targetting and killing innocents not wrong on all acounts? thus is he not guaranteeing hell for those to ehome he has promised heaven?
You may disagree. That is allowed, but IMO could be a dajjal of this time. The diference being both extremes could be dajjaal...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Allahummahfadhnaa min dhaalik.
Oh ALLAH, protect me from the like of this.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
no OBL does not ....
the 30 dajaals preceding the coming of the dajaal shall ALL claim to be the messenger of ALLAH..
dont know how you said that.
[size=18]Bin Laden on Palestine[/size]
[i]From a review of 'Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama bin Laden', edited by Bruce Lawrence, Verso, 2005.[/i]
Take Palestine. It is widely assumed that al-Qaeda's violence is primarily motivated by Israel's oppression of the Palestinians and will continue until that issue is resolved. Yet bin Laden's nods to Palestine over the past 10 years tell a different story.
In 1994 bin Laden only mentions Palestine as a way of having a pop at the rulers of Saudi Arabia, whom he really despises for 'betraying' Islam and for having the nerve to expel him from Saudi territory (his birthplace) in 1991 and revoke his citizenship in 1994. Bruce Lawrence, editor of this collection, has given bin Laden's first major public pronouncement - made on 29 December 1994 - the heading 'The betrayal of Palestine'; but when you read it, Palestine is cynically mentioned as part of bin Laden's spat with Saudi rulers. The statement is in fact a letter to Chief Mufti bin Baz, the Head of the Council of the ulema in Saudi Arabia, issued by the Advice and Reform Committee set up by bin Laden to 'promote peaceful and constructive reform with regard to the way Arabia is governed' and whose offices were in Dollis Hill, north London (!).
That the editor has headlined the statement 'The betrayal of Palestine' points to a political agenda on his and the publisher's part - even suggesting that their aim is to give consistency and coherence to bin Laden's rants where neither exists. This early statement would have been better headlined 'The betrayal of Osama bin Laden….by those Saudi bastards!' It is an obscurantist screed about how Saudi rulers have put big business before pure Islam, such as by allowing 'the practice of usury, which is now widespread in the country thanks to the usurious state institutions and banks whose towers are competing with the minarets of the two Holy Sanctuaries'. The stuff about Palestine comes a poor second to bin Laden's boring complaints about usury, some Saudi royal wearing a crucifix (sacrilege!), and Saudi support for 'the leaders of apostasy, the Communist Socialists in Yemen'.
Bin Laden sounds like a spoilt middle-class brat sticking two fingers up at his family and former friends (he was once close to various Saudi rulers) for getting all money-obsessed, dude. In fact, that's exactly what he is: the son of a Saudi billionaire who in the 1970s made a fortune from running one of daddy's construction firms and drove a white Chrysler, but then went all religious and decided that capitalism is not very nice. If he'd been born in the Home Counties instead of Riyadh, he would probably have been one of those Eton-educated types who turn their backs on privilege and piss off their parents by becoming smelly hippies who smash up McDonald's.
Fast forward 10 years to 15 April 2004, and bin Laden is describing Palestine as the 'real' issue. If his big issue in 1994 was that backward Saudi Arabia wasn't quite backward enough for his tastes, then in 2004 it is 'the destruction and murder of our people' in Palestine and elsewhere. What changed? It wasn't that bin Laden suddenly became a selfless warrior fighting for Palestinian freedom but rather that many in the West presumed that 9/11 and other attacks must have been motivated by Palestine and bin Laden took such views on board. Look at how he talks about Palestine in 2004: 'As for your leaders and their followers, who persistently ignore the real problem, which is the occupation of Palestine….' That could have come, verbatim, from any number of editorials, comment pieces or blog entries of the post-9/11 period which claimed that Bush and Blair should resolve the 'real' issue of the Middle East if they want to do something about al-Qaeda. And what exactly is bin Laden calling for when he accuses Western leaders of 'ignoring' the real problem of Palestine? More Western intervention? A better peace process? What?
Even when bin Laden's statements are liberally peppered with references to Palestine (as often they are), he only mentions it opportunistically and symbolically; there is no real or practical input into Palestinian politics. In 2001, his second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri said: 'The fact that must be acknowledged is that the issue of Palestine is the cause that has been firing up the feelings of the Muslim nation from Morocco to Indonesia for the past 50 years.' (3) By 2004, bin Laden has recognised that it also fires up feelings in the West. Indeed, he rather bizarrely calls 'upon just men [in Europe], especially scholars, media and businessmen, to form a permanent commission to raise awareness among Europeans of the justice of our causes, primarily Palestine, making use of the enormous potential of the media'. That sentence sums up how cynical is bin Laden's focus on Palestine: it's an attempt to make an impact on the Western consciousness rather than on the ground in Ramallah. It also shows how much he's driven by Western-style lingo and politics: he wants a 'commission' to 'raise awareness' about Palestine through the 'media'….just what kind of warrior for God is he?
[url=http://www.spiked-online.co.uk/Articles/0000000CAECC.htm]Bin Laden's script: ghost-written in the West[/url]
Spiked-Online
Salam
Bin Laden in simply a product of belief system that is pleasing only to Satan.
Clerics from groups such a Salafis, Deobandis, JIP, JI, SSP, FIS, MMA, Tablighi Jamat, Wahhabis,
and many others are busy closing the minds of their student by brainwashing them against everything western.
These scholars are far astray from the peaceful teachings of Prophet Muhammad.
Omrow
[size=18]Duke Professor Skeptical of bin Laden Tape By Amber Rupinta[/size]
(01/19/06 -- DURHAM) - A Duke professor says he is doubtful about Thursday's audiotape from Osama bin Laden.
Bruce Lawrence has just published ?Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama Bin Laden,? a book translating bin Laden?s writing. He is skeptical of Thursday?s message.
?It was like a voice from the grave,? Lawrence said.
He thinks bin Laden is dead and has doubts about the tape. Lawrence recently analyzed more than 20 complete speeches and interviews of the al Qaida leader for his book. He says the new message is missing several key elements.
?There?s nothing in this from the Koran. He?s, by his own standards, a faithful Muslim,? Lawrence said. ?He quotes scripture in defense of his actions. There?s no quotation from the Koran in the excerpts we got, no reference to specific events, no reference to past atrocities.?
While the CIA confirms the voice on the tape is bin Laden?s, Lawrence questions when it was recorded. He says the timing of its release could be to divert attention from last week?s U.S. air strike in Pakistan. The strike targeted bin Laden?s deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, and killed four leading al Qaeda figures along with civilians.
Lawrence believes faulty Pakistani intelligence led to the strike and the civilian deaths, and the tape was leaked by Pakistani authorities to divert attention from their mistake.
?It led to a failed military operation where America got blamed, but they people who are really to blame are the ones who provided the intelligence,? Lawrence said. ?I think this is an effort to say were not going look at this terrible incident that happened.?
Another element that Lawrence takes issue with in bin Laden?s latest message is it?s length - - only 10 minutes. Previously, the shortest was 18 minutes.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=3828678
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
Usury - this is a war with ALLAH
Crucifix
Atheism
The other two are shirk.
I find it interesting that people make objection to som1 objecting on these issues just because they disagree with the person on his "terrorism" doesnt mean they should be so blind as to object to his criticism of anti islamic acitivty.
Sad, very sad.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
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