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even when i was a kid, girls and boys used to attend the mosque every evening at the same time, be taught the same thing, just in their own seperate classrooms with their own teachers...
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That counter to Ed's [url=http://www.therevival.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11671]thread[/url] on the subject not too long ago.
Yeah the work is very good standard, just goes to show you the interest there is from the youth in islam if you manage them right. It just seem the mosque and parent at time are failing for their kids. Take my area, the poor boys and girls goes to mosque, get bored for a hour and then come home and then repeat the routine for 6 days.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
[url=http//www.guidancemedia.com/videostream.php?id=Burda.mov]Quran[/url]
I have not looked bacj, but I think there was one person with that view, and even he said that they must gain Islamic knowledge.
I think...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
So i see loner hasn't YET bought a new keyboard - its not in one post he does it but practically in EVERY post :shock:
guilty as charged.
In my defence I put down alot of money for this keyboard.
And its not bad spelling or pressing two buttons, but more of actually totally missing the keys!
I do not understand why I have not got used to it yet!
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
LOL u are soo funny, how long does it take for you to get used to a keyboard but then again u are a male so you're part of the slow learners group :twisted:
Hey I use a dif keyboard at work.
and I am not used to looking at each letter as I type it.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
wot am i meant to be looking for... that's a thread started by MuslimSis about whether women should work/go to unis etc... :?:
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End of Page one, "19 Things Sisters can do for Islam in the UK"
He mentions in several places women not being welcome in mosques, curiously it's not discussed at any depth after that.
I think Dave is talkin about this point on the MS's thread:
10. Teach in Islamic weekend schools
Does getting an education degree sound too far-fetched? If so, consider helping Islam in America by teaching at the local Islamic weekend school. This is where a number of Muslim kids (most of whom attend public school) find their only Islamic environment throughout the whole week.
The presence Muslim sisters as mentioned above, is not just in imparting knowledge but it's also in being a positive role model.
As well, teaching in Islamic weekend schools provides you with the opportunity to clarify the position of women in Islam, to clear it of the cultural baggage so many Muslim parents tend to pass down to their kids.
(scroll down to Ed's long but very insightful 19 points as to what women should do)
I am off tc wasalam
i saw that - but where does it suggest that girls are not taught (if they werent, there wouldnt b any need for female muslim teachers in the sunday schools) - and thats about Muslims in America, its taken from somewhere...
edit: http://www.soundvision.com/info/women/cando.asp
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It is my understanding that the Mosque is both the center of worship and religious education for muslims. Judda often spoke of regular lessons and meetings with his imam and other boys, attended at the mosque. My muslim friends here are much the same. If women are disencouraged or even not allowed to go in some communities, it naturally follows that avenue of education is not being offered. As I was not informed of any other attempts to educate women in lieu of this until muslim sister's post I was expressing my relief this inequity is accounted for.
As for Ed's post it's not relevant to muslims in the UK, why would Ed post it?
I can't help but get the feeling you are pressing some sort of point with this line, or perhaps need clarification on something?
Girls are also educated in mosques, but in separate halls etc.
Judda would go with the boys, and not the girls due to segregation.
Some people may discourage women from going, but they are contradicting a clear hadith, that makes compulsory for women to learn aswell.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I think you (and Dust) missed the spirit of my response and Ed's post.
I can differenciate doctrine from discrimination. I was pleased that the muslim community was taking positive steps against discrimination of girls and providing them opportunities at religious education.
Equity.
I still do not understand where you got that idea from though.
Even Med said it was allowed for women to leave the house for education.
And he was the harshest in views regarding womens rights that we have had here.
And 'Ed has a habit of skimming a topic. everything he posts is not always relevant.
That posts seems to be based only on the title of the topic... unless I am missing something...
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
wot admin said^, and hmm, yea ur right, i think i owe u an explanation, and i also need a clarification of some points off u. but tomorrow inshaAllah, as i am literally falling asleep at the pc right now...
good night, sleep tight, dont let the b[size=9]ed[/size] [size=7]bu[/size].. ZzzZzz....
bubbye!
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- Admin, I got the idea from the article, which Ed deemed relevant to the topic. As it was apparently an issue in US mosques, and Ed deemed it relevant to muslims in the UK, I yielded to what I thought was a point he was making, regarding chauvenist attitudes that women may have to face and are encouraged to stand down in his UK community.
I'm not well versed of Ed's posting habits, nor am I abreast of the various views on the subject of womens' place in the Islamic community, Med's or otherwise. However it appears I made such a gastly incorrect logical leap as to incur your confusion, that I am forced to explain in painful detail what I thought was a normal enough mental enterprise, and apologize for taxing your patience by explaining in this manner, as well as suffer what I am increasingly percieving to be an unnecessarily suspicious line of questioning.
- Dust, you don't owe me an explanation i'm just anxious for you to arrive at whatever point you are trying to make. What more would you like me to explain?
Goodnight everyone.
lol dave, ur above reply to admin was clarification enough. so lemme explain wot i was attempting to get across:
- the parts of that article referring to women's role in the mosque are not totally applicable here because in the US, almost every mosque u go to is likely to have a sizeable women's area for prayer, whereas in the UK, this is still catching on. so that article was referring to potential discrimination faced by women who are already fully involved in the events of the mosque.
- in the UK, this is more of an issue of the mosque providing a women's area for prayer. however, many people involved in the running of the mosque have an understandable reason for this: they do not have money to build further, and need all the current space they have to accommodate the men. which is why u find that the well-funded mosques, those in central london etc, always have a sisters' area for prayer. (sure, the odd mosque committee here and there might be chauvinistic, and women will eventually put them right, but what use is it if we dont have the funding for our section of the mosque anyway)
- so the article is referring to women's involvement in the mosque - what i did not understand is how u managed to carry this on to the kids. in fact the one point about kids in Islamic 'sunday schools' does not say 'no girls allowed', it is requesting the help of sisters to teach the girls... i have been to sunday schools in America and can assure u that girls and boys are taught the exact same thing, at the same time, and sometimes in the same class!
- in the UK, the 'madrasah' or school (in the mosque), is even more advanced, because the kids come in every evening on the weekdays (and in my day we even had to go in on saturday mornings, gosh that was a killer, good thing they scrapped it in the end... :wink:). as i said in an earlier post, there has always been provision made for girls to be taught, no matter the sect or strictness of the muslim community. even when these madaaris (pl. of madrasah) started up, if there wasnt any space in the mosque to teach the girls in segregation from the boys, the imam would get his wife to teach them at his home. now most communities still have these makeshift madrasahs at home, alongside the main madrasah being run in the mosque for girls and boys. in fact naj used to teach girls at home like this as well.
- in conclusion: "just boys going to the mosque and girls staying at home waiting dutifully for them to return" has never been the case. When it comes to the Islamic education of kids, equity already exists, and has existed for as long as i can remember.
feel free to pick holes and ask any questions...
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Excellent, Thanks
sorry Augustus.
I did not mean to question you in a suspicious manner.
I understood that aritcle diferently than you did. That is all.
And 'Ed is at times infuriating with his posting habits.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
you're welcome
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Aasiyah, is right. Education is stressed for men AND women.
The people who advocate that women should stay in the home and not learn/work/teach etc etc are in the minority.
From where I’m from, there is no shortage of facilities for women.
congratulations :roll:
Only 200 pages to go to in order to catch up with the old forum.....
spoken like a true cynic.
[b]Q.[/b] I was wondering if anyone was aware of an good online Qu'ran translation website??
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um, [url=http://www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/]islamicity?[/url]
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You're up a little late!
And I doubt it's to direct Seraph to an online Qur'an
What's up?
lol, was just chatting with an old friend...
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Are you implying im not worth it? :evil:
Admin your mean.
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