Uni fees

The Lib Dem leader wrote to MPs urging them to consider tearing up a pre-election pledge to oppose fee increases.

In a letter to the Parliamentary party, he said he was “painfully aware” of the promise made by all sitting MPs but insisted reforms to higher education would be fair to students and promote social mobility.

His intervention came as the party’s former leader became the latest Lib Dem to attack an increase in university fees.

Sir Menzies Campbell said he would vote against plans to raise the fees cap amid fears it would harm access to degree courses.

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Idiot.

London : The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) has voiced concern over controversial recommendations to remove the cap on undergraduate fees and allow universities to decide what they charge.

MCB warned that the measures may disproportionately hit ethnic minority communities within Britain, of which Muslims are a significant part, due to the higher levels of low income families within the two-million community.

“Despite many promises of protecting the poorest the proposed introduction of a ‘variable’ fee system will widen the gap between the richer and the poorer students, resulting in a sharp inequality,” MCB secretary general Farooq Murad said.

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Stupid politicians thinking short term.

Its like "lets chop off our arm to stop the finger from beeding!" - moronic.

Oh, and the main erason for this fees stuff? they want to cut the funding for the teaching by 80%.

YouStupid politicians thinking short term.

Its like "lets chop off our arm to stop the finger from beeding!" - moronic.

Oh, and the main erason for this fees stuff? they want to cut the funding for the teaching by 80%.

:shock: How the hell is that supposed to work?!

by getting you to pay larger tution fees.

In the US I think some private universities charge $50k or more...

...but the whole society benefits from people having greater education. More, the people who earn more after getting a degree will also pay greater taxes, so its a balanced system.

I am against both tution fees and a graduate tax. The normal taxes need to be made to work.

(its also similar short sightedness with immigration - the UK NEEDS an ever increasing working population, no two ways about it.)

by getting you to pay larger tution fees.

:/ :X

what's graduate tax?

graduate tax is instead of tution fees, after you finish uni and get a job, you have to pay an extra tax. But unlike repaying a loan, which will eventually end, paying the graduate tax would be for life.

Government is going maad. They're very stupid and only looking at saving themselves for the moment, not how the people will suffer in the long run. I am already in debt at uni (tution fee alone) by approx £10,000 - couple more thousand and thats a HOUSE DEPOSIT!!

Youyou have to pay an extra tax. But unlike repaying a loan, which will eventually end, paying the graduate tax would be for life.

:O

Had 2 local counsellors come into college and was asked about this. One of them was talking about how about 1/4 of the country are actually intelligent and so they could go into uni and then get a well paid job and not need the loan/have a large debt. Whereas right now loads of students are doing degrees in areas which don't even have jobs so they come out of uni and basically there's no use for the degree. He was waffling on and on but i think he agreed with the proposal (well he WAS conservative!)

Its not just the tories doing - its the way the government was going slowly but surely anyway.

This may just be a slight acceleration and just a symptom of a wrong focus in priorities.

Yes. Its not what the students can pay, but what they offer in return.

As an example - a doctor - communities will need a doctor no matter what it costs.

If the course etc cost £200k, that is still an acceptable price if there is no alternative. they will be doing an essential job that the community needs.

Other graduate roles will also lead to either meeting demand, or maybe even creating it - someone who manages to get a good career and ends up employing 5 others... can you put a price on that persons contributions to society?

Aimhigher university access scheme scrapped

Btw, if you take out a student loan do you have to pay it back in interest? So it would be haraam?

Teenagers from the wealthiest families would be able to pay for extra places at the most competitive universities under government proposals that could allow institutions to charge some British students the same high fees as overseas undergraduates.

Candidates who take up the extra places would not be eligible for publicly funded loans to pay tuition fees or living costs, limiting this option to all but the most privileged households who could pay fees up front.

Under the plans, the extra students may be charged as much as international undergraduates. At the most competitive universities, these students face fees ranging from £12,000 a year for arts subjects to £18,000 for sciences and more than £28,000 for medicine. Applicants would be required to meet the course entry requirements.

The changes would give more students the chance to attend their first choice of university. At present, the government sets a quota of undergraduate places that English universities are allowed to offer each year.full story

As long as these extra places do not limit normal seats for normal students, I have no problems with it.

More, I wouldn't be bothered if entry requirements were lower even (as long as the exit requirements were the same) as long as they have no cost to people not as rich.

Some are saying 'the rich will be able to buy their places' - places which just dont exist for others - extra money for 'extra' places.

 "Students who acquire large debts putting themselves through school are unlikely to think about changing society, Chomsky suggested. “When you trap people in a system of debt . they can’t afford the time to think.” Tuition fee increases are a “disciplinary technique,” and, by the time students graduate, they are not only loaded with debt, but have also internalized the “disciplinarian culture.” This makes them efficient components of the consumer economy."
Noam Chomsky