Hajjar, i dont know why but ur post has really annoyed me!

TBVH with you, i think ur being too touchy about the situation and reading into a bit too much. maybe becuase of ur cousin. i have disabled cousins too. :roll:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

I think that comparison was just to show everyone isnt born "perfect", "normal" or even "good looking"

Omrow wrote:

Sister with the Power has understood me correctly.

Did u miss those bits? or did u think he may be lying?

if u think his words did have other meanings to them i think u should stop being so defensive and just take what he has said as it is cuz neither of us may actually know what he means, maybe he dd mean to be rude but theres no point assuming that.

wednesday wrote:

A part of me says that he wrote it on purpose just to get some replies. I'll reserve this option until proven otherwise.

he may of done that but atleast it started a debate? he's always done that, it seems, people should be used to it by now. i dont see him apologizing any time soon as im guessing he feels he's airing his views just as everyone else is on here, altho we may find them wrong.

MakeMeRawr_6TeenF wrote:

But seriously, do people actually find that attractive? o.0

some girls find it "sexy" :roll: i myself dont know what they see in the look! lol and u forgot to mention the jewelllery; chains that wear too! ewww hate the look!

You wrote:

So *that's* where I have been going wrong!

wednesday wrote:

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

wednesday wrote:

A part of me says that he wrote it on purpose just to get some replies. I'll reserve this option until proven otherwise.

he may of done that but atleast it started a debate? he's always done that, it seems, people should be used to it by now. i dont see him apologizing any time soon as im guessing he feels he's airing his views just as everyone else is on here, altho we may find them wrong.

Starting a debate is NO excuse to be so offensive. I'm sure he's aware of the Hadith; If you have nothing good to say, it's advised to stay quiet.

True there is freedom of speech and that blah de blah but it shouldn't cause such a stir.

and we all know that, he knows we find it offensive but that hasnt stopped him saying it, thats why i said i dont think he'll apoligise

and just to be clear im not/wasnt defending him saying anything bad.

wednesday wrote:

I don't think you were defending fifi.

i like the chains.

They're gangster

how pathetic! that is just disgusting. That country will never prosper.

The Makings of an ideal Islamic State:

(1) Sovereignty belongs to God alone Whose chief attributes are Wisdom, Justice and Love. He desires human beings to assimilate these attributes in their thoughts, words and deeds.

(2) Though ultimately God moulds destinies, He has endowed man with free-will so that he may freely attune his will to the will and purpose of God.

(3) In matters of faith, God has compelled nobody to believe; the ways of righteousness and their opposites have been clearly indicated. Anyone may believe or disbelieve and bear the consequences. There must not be any compulsion, in the matter of faith. An imposed faith is no faith at all. Everybody should be free to follow his own way of life, either because of personal preference or because of his belonging to a community, provided his conduct is not subversive of fundamental morality or disruptive of the peace of the realm or does not trespass on the legitimate freedom of others.

(4) An Islamic State is not theocratic but ideological. The rights and duties of its citizens shall be determined by the extent to which they identify themselves with this ideology.

(5) Non-Muslims can live peacefully as citizens of a Muslim realm. They are free to not take part in the defence of the State, and in lieu of this exemption pay a poll tax which shall entitle them to complete protection of life, property and liberty in the practice of their faith. If they are prepared to defend the realm as loyal citizens, they shall be exempt from this tax.

There shall be no racial discrimination within a Muslim realm. People become high or low only because of their character.

(7) All avenues of economic exploitation must be blocked so that wealth does not circulate only in the hands of the few.

(8) A person shall be free to earn as much as he can by legitimate means, without exploitation or fraud. But wealth, even legitimately acquired beyond a certain minimum, shall be subject to a tax on capital. This shall be an inalienable part of a Muslim polity [state].

(9) Women shall enjoy an independent economic status. All their inherited wealth and their personal earnings shall be their own property which they can dispose of as they please.

(10) A truly Islamic State cannot be a monarchical state. It must be a democratic republic in which the president is elected by a free vote of the community on the basis of his capacity and character.

(11) It is incumbent on the ruler to have a council of advisers and consultants for purposes of legislation or major decisions. They shall be chosen on grounds of their wisdom, experience and integrity. The mode of their selection is left to circumstances. In matters not pertaining to faith, non-Muslims are not debarred from consultation.

(12) There shall be no special class of priests in an Islamic society, though persons leading [a] better religious life and possessing [a] better knowledge of religious affairs have a legitimate claim to honour. They shall enjoy no special privileges, legal or economic.

(13) There shall be perfect equality of opportunity and equality before [the] law. The law shall make no distinction between a Muslim and a non-Muslim either in civil or [in] criminal cases. Every citizen shall have the right to seek a judicial decision - even against the head of the state.

There were many instances of this in early Islam. The Khalifah 'Umar appeared in the Court as a party in a suit and the judge stood up as a matter of respect, at which the Khalifah said that he had started with an unjust act honouring one party more than the other; how could the other party have confidence in his sense of justice?

(14) The judiciary was made independent of the executive. In periods of monarchical absolutism, when the judiciary began to be influenced by the men in power, the great jurist Imam Abu Hanifah preferred to be whipped and sent to prison [rather] than accept the post of a judge. He was imbued with the original spirit of Islam which desired uncorrupted justice between man and man. "Do not refrain from justice even if it goes against you" (Qur'an 4:136); "Let not the hostility of a party tend to make you unjust towards it."
Is Saudi Arabia like that? The Cradle Of Islam? The Land of the Prophet?

We need to get rid of this fanatical family and need a democracy. Democracy is the only way forward.

Noor wrote:

M4k4v3l1 wrote:

yhhh, most of the gurls i know around oldham loveee that kind of thing

please say you don't do that.

that originated from prison.

GROSS!
I cant stand it when guys pull their underwear upto their armpits and pull jeans down to their knees
it looks absolutely stupid

I agree with rawr teen girly whatshername (= P)
im least attracted to Asian lads that are 21 and under
theyre very immature
and when u walk past they say stupid things

The Lamp wrote:

Well Omrow's entitled to his opinion but I think all girls (except the cruel ones) are beautiful in their own way. Hey, but please avoid being shallow in Ramadan, thank you!

the 'cruel ones' and 'control freaks' < who wana nw where you are, what your doing and who your with 24/7 lool thats the worst type.

You wrote:

Action taken to shut down unlicensed, all-women fitness clubs, condemned as 'shameless' by Saudi Arabia's clerics

Saudi women could see their private sports clubs and gyms closed down because the government seems likely to agree licensing of the clubs for men only.

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Saudi Arabia's austere brand of Wahhabi Islam forbids the mixing of unrelated members of the opposite sex. In the ­presence of strange men, women must remain covered.

The problem that has emerged in recent months is that women's gyms are unlicensed and so illegal. Female fitness fans complain of a lack of places to exercise outside the home since they cannot use men's clubs.

erm....Disgusting?
The general presidency for sport and youth welfare is responsible for men's gyms but it has not been allowed or prepared to regulate those for women.

Businessman Bader Al-Shibani wanted to open a women's sports club along with the one he runs for men in Jeddah. "I ran into a stone wall at every turn," he said. "Every department I visited denied that they had the authority to give permission to establish a women's club. In the end, I just abandoned the project."

Action has already been taken against two women's gyms, in Jeddah and in Dammam, according to al-Madinah newspaper. Clubs in Riyadh have so far been spared.

This month a group of Saudi women launched a campaign entitled Let Her Get Fat, in opposition to a decision to close down all-female wellness centres that are not under the supervision of a government hospital or clinic.

Leading Saudi clerics have condemned the gyms and clubs as "shamelessness" and warned that women would be tempted to leave their homes and neglect their husbands and children...

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