Submitted by Sephy (not verified) on 10 July, 2009 - 12:40 #31
Noor wrote:
MakeMeRawr_6TeenF wrote:
But still, forget about me. Just think about it hypothetically... Imagine someone who's literally useless, no purpose anywhere to anyone.
Now is there no point to their life?
to worship Allah (swt)?
we haven't been placed in dunya to serve others. we have been placed in dunya to worship Allah (swt), to obey his beloved Rasul and to follow the teachings of islam.
But isnt there a number of ways you can actually do that? Ibaadat i mean.
Submitted by Sephy (not verified) on 10 July, 2009 - 12:42 #32
ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:
And i *think* he may have been talking about my age.
You assume too much.
Rawry was right, I was just using it as an example.
Woody Allen. I have heard he was a really good Movie maker. Top of his game. Absolutely hilarious. Til he lost his mojo about 20 years ago. Since then he has struggled on trying to find the spark he had, making average films etc, ruining his earlier reputation.
Robert Mugabe, defender of his people. He gave his country freedom, greatness. and then watched/forced it to crumble where there is not extreme poverty and hunger. Not many live beyond their early 30's.
So, the question is if dying before you reach your peak is a tragedy, is living after you reach it a catastrophe?
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Is there anything wrong with selfishness? I don't think so. (Selflesness on the other hand... it has its flaws. You should not have to be a martyr for everyone else.)
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
(I would add "I pity the fools" to the end, but that may be taken too seriously.)
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Woody Allen. I have heard he was a really good Movie maker. Top of his game. Absolutely hilarious. Til he lost his mojo about 20 years ago. Since then he has struggled on trying to find the spark he had, making average films etc, ruining his earlier reputation.
Robert Mugabe, defender of his people. He gave his country freedom, greatness. and then watched/forced it to crumble where there is not extreme poverty and hunger. Not many live beyond their early 30's.
So, the question is if dying before you reach your peak is a tragedy, is living after you reach it a catastrophe?
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain?
Kind of like that but it is not always as extreme. How many (famous) people do you know of who have gracefully handled being past their peak? For me, only one comes to mind - Muhammad Ali.
With most others it can be almost painful - watching people watch what they created crumble to dust infront of their very eyes. Its like the death throngs of the T1000 at the end of Terminator 2 after it falls into the molten metal. It's almost unnatural, kind of like watching parents having to bury their children instead of the other way around.
And as you mentioned, it can be much much worse if it affects others. In the case of Mugabe - a decade ago he would have died as the people champion and he is not the only case.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Correction: You're never self-less especially if you believe in heaven.
I dunno...I think theres one thing u can do which really is self-less...make duaa for others. I say that cuz even though ur not directly helping anyone or anything, to me duaa is very important and i do it even for the smallest of reasons and i do it when im out of control of a situation.
So i may not be able to help the poor,the ill, the misguided and others but Allah(swt) can and id like to think my duaas will help them therefore i am helping them but if i didnt do duaa for people it would make no difference to me and by doing the duaa it makes no difference to me either.
I really do do it just for the sake of it - unless someones specificly asks me then its for their sake lol
(i hope u dont think im boasting or anything, its just the only example i could think of and i cant really do the explaining in like the third person lol :|)
does that make sense?
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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Yeah, being selfless is a beautiful thing. I wish I was a LOT more selfless than I am..
If you truly were selfish, you wouldn't feel it. its all a part of the game - selfless people are the ones that see the need for more selflessness.
MuslimSister wrote:
And it's true...my purpose of life is very much about how it makes me feel.
And that is IMO a good thing. Noble and honourable even.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Correction: You're never self-less especially if you believe in heaven.
Disagree. If you have a pie in front of you and someone else who wants it, would you think "I am trying to earn paradise, so let the other person have it" or "That person looks hungry"?
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Is that the same question as what is the Purpose of life?
I don't understand how life can have a meaning...
Like say the meaning of drinking is to quench thirst
So are you asking what the meaning of living is? And therefore the Purpose of living?
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#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
Everything has a story. The question is what do you want your story to be?
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Making du'aa itself is not self-less and it's not selfish either... it comes under prayer, ease in this life and hereafter. Allah willing of course.
:/ ok, In that case i dont believe anyone can be truly selfless.
Hey thanks to all the guys who ddnt just go for the "religious path" cuz u made me realise i was being a "giver up-er" (im sure theres a better word for that :|).
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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Ofcourse you can be truly selfless - when you give up something where it makes you feel crap too, but it is the right thing to do.
Like someone once argued on the interwebs that a true vegetarian is not a vegetarian because he/she disliked meat, but that they do like it, but avoid it due to ethical concerns and really do feel the loss of not eating meat.
(Does that make any sense?)
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
but by doign that they feel like theyre doing the right thing and it must make them feel good - even if they dnt go boasting about it, they still feel it so its not completely self-less. if u get what i mean
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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Doing the right thing can make you feel like crap.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Seraphim on 12 July, 2009 - 23:16 #56
Doing the right thing, doesnt always mean things will fall in your favour. Nor does it mean it will be easy.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Disagree with that. To be alive you need to be at least slightly selfish IMO.
It's not a good idea to be the doormat everyone wipes their feet on.
And even if you want to ultimately help others, you need to take care of yourself first, build yourself up to the stage so that you can do it properly, otherwise things may go awry.
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
But isnt there a number of ways you can actually do that? Ibaadat i mean.
You assume too much.
Rawry was right, I was just using it as an example.
:/ i did say i *think* and it was a good guess lol
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Its good to think.
Good luck with that
Astaghfirullah!
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
ok, an opposing stance on all this:
Woody Allen. I have heard he was a really good Movie maker. Top of his game. Absolutely hilarious. Til he lost his mojo about 20 years ago. Since then he has struggled on trying to find the spark he had, making average films etc, ruining his earlier reputation.
Robert Mugabe, defender of his people. He gave his country freedom, greatness. and then watched/forced it to crumble where there is not extreme poverty and hunger. Not many live beyond their early 30's.
So, the question is if dying before you reach your peak is a tragedy, is living after you reach it a catastrophe?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Purpose of life for me is to give back, better myself, achieve set goals, make a difference...not for anyone else other than myself and God...
And it helps if one meets companions along the way that help them to achieve their purpose of life..
One cant do much without the right company.
But generally speaking, cos everyones different, naturally their purpose of life will differ too..
Very selfish purpose of life being expressed there.
Is there anything wrong with selfishness? I don't think so. (Selflesness on the other hand... it has its flaws. You should not have to be a martyr for everyone else.)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Do u think people can be truly selfless?
Im not sure :S
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Yes they can. IMO.
(I would add "I pity the fools" to the end, but that may be taken too seriously.)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Yeah, being selfless is a beautiful thing. I wish I was a LOT more selfless than I am..
And it's true...my purpose of life is very much about how it makes me feel.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain?
Don't just do something! Stand there.
Kind of like that but it is not always as extreme. How many (famous) people do you know of who have gracefully handled being past their peak? For me, only one comes to mind - Muhammad Ali.
With most others it can be almost painful - watching people watch what they created crumble to dust infront of their very eyes. Its like the death throngs of the T1000 at the end of Terminator 2 after it falls into the molten metal. It's almost unnatural, kind of like watching parents having to bury their children instead of the other way around.
And as you mentioned, it can be much much worse if it affects others. In the case of Mugabe - a decade ago he would have died as the people champion and he is not the only case.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I dunno...I think theres one thing u can do which really is self-less...make duaa for others. I say that cuz even though ur not directly helping anyone or anything, to me duaa is very important and i do it even for the smallest of reasons and i do it when im out of control of a situation.
So i may not be able to help the poor,the ill, the misguided and others but Allah(swt) can and id like to think my duaas will help them therefore i am helping them but if i didnt do duaa for people it would make no difference to me and by doing the duaa it makes no difference to me either.
I really do do it just for the sake of it - unless someones specificly asks me then its for their sake lol
(i hope u dont think im boasting or anything, its just the only example i could think of and i cant really do the explaining in like the third person lol :|)
does that make sense?
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
If you truly were selfish, you wouldn't feel it. its all a part of the game - selfless people are the ones that see the need for more selflessness.
And that is IMO a good thing. Noble and honourable even.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Disagree. If you have a pie in front of you and someone else who wants it, would you think "I am trying to earn paradise, so let the other person have it" or "That person looks hungry"?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Is that the same question as what is the Purpose of life?
I don't understand how life can have a meaning...
Like say the meaning of drinking is to quench thirst
So are you asking what the meaning of living is? And therefore the Purpose of living?
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
Everything has a story. The question is what do you want your story to be?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
:/ ok, In that case i dont believe anyone can be truly selfless.
Hey thanks to all the guys who ddnt just go for the "religious path" cuz u made me realise i was being a "giver up-er" (im sure theres a better word for that :|).
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Ofcourse you can be truly selfless - when you give up something where it makes you feel crap too, but it is the right thing to do.
Like someone once argued on the interwebs that a true vegetarian is not a vegetarian because he/she disliked meat, but that they do like it, but avoid it due to ethical concerns and really do feel the loss of not eating meat.
(Does that make any sense?)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
(yeah it makes sense)
but by doign that they feel like theyre doing the right thing and it must make them feel good - even if they dnt go boasting about it, they still feel it so its not completely self-less. if u get what i mean
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Doing the right thing can make you feel like crap.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I know, but in the end its worth it.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Not always. But its right.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Doing the right thing, doesnt always mean things will fall in your favour. Nor does it mean it will be easy.
Back in BLACK
Thus a person can truly be selfless.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
The only chance to be alive
Disagree with that. To be alive you need to be at least slightly selfish IMO.
It's not a good idea to be the doormat everyone wipes their feet on.
And even if you want to ultimately help others, you need to take care of yourself first, build yourself up to the stage so that you can do it properly, otherwise things may go awry.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Think it was miss understood due to my breaf writing, By "alive" I ment allways conected with their Creater!
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