The true sufi

What makes the Sufi? Purity of heart;
Not the patched mantle and the lust perverse
Of those vile earth-bound men who steal his name.
He in all dregs discerns the essence pure:
In hardship ease, in tribulation joy.
The phantom sentries, who with batons drawn
Guard Beauty's place-gate and curtained bower,
Give way before him, unafraid he passes,
And showing the King's arrow, enters in.

What do you guys think?

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

I think it would confuse the women.

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are you sufi? if u dont mind me asking

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@ sumaiya: i can only dream of being one.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

You can live it, you can know it but you cannot define a Sufi - Persian Dictionary

@funzo :translation?

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Sumaiya wrote:
@funzo :translation?

translation of what?

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

sorry to be old fashioned, but i dont speak spirituallish, you can only dream of being one?

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Sumaiya wrote:
sorry to be old fashioned, but i dont speak spirituallish, you can only dream of being one?

its hard to explain, well basically being a sufi isnt being part of a group or jamah etc but rather its being at a certain spirtual level, having peace at heart and peace of mind being in touch with god and with oneself and having control of your nafs.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

Funzo wrote:
its hard to explain, well basically being a sufi isnt being part of a group or jamah etc but rather its being at a certain spirtual level, having peace at heart and peace of mind being in touch with god and with oneself and having control of your nafs.

Couldn't you just replace the word 'sufi' with '(very) good Muslim' in that sentence? I'm not being argumentative, I'm just genuinely interested.

What is the difference between being a Very Good Muslim and being a Sufi?

Is a Sufi ALWAYS a Very Good Muslim, and/or is a Very Good Muslim ALWAYS a Sufi?

Do you have to do anything in particular that is different from mainstream Islam to be a Sufi?

Is Sufism JUST about the inner self, and if so how come every Sufi wears a special type of turban (depending on whichever order they are affiliated to)? Is this assumption naive and incorrect (if so I would need evidence of a well-known Sufi order who don't have a hierachy of turbans)?

Could that uncle who I sat next to me in the Masjid be a Sufi and I would never have known? Or would I see something special in his eyes/face that would have told me?

I think there is a lot of negative views of Sufism amongst many Muslims. This could well be because not much is known about them/it. If this is true, then having very oblique/insubstantial definitions of them/it in dictionaries is perhaps not the best of ideas.

Just a few thoughts...

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ive heard that sufis chant a lot.

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great poem by the way, mashallah. wish i could write like that

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Sumaiya wrote:
ive heard that sufis chant a lot.

and spin in circles all day and night non stop? Rolling Eyes

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

well yeah,do you?

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Sumaiya wrote:
great poem by the way, mashallah. wish i could write like that

Rumi (r.a) did some fantastic poetry.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

is he a sufi too?

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yes early 12th century

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

so do you chant?

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Sumaiya wrote:
well yeah,do you?

you do realise i was joking right?

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

yeah, but ive heard and seen that before, or do you have sects within sufism that practise different methods of worship?

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what do you mean when you say "you"? im not a sufi i wouldnt know thats why i didnt even attempt to answer yaqubs questions it would naive and ignorant of me to do so, and in sufism there is different groups with different practises, the dancing is justified by the hadith when the etheopians went to the prophet Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him and started spinning in circles praising the prophetPeace and Blessings of Allah be upon him due to them being in wajd, but since its difficult to judge whether a person is or is not in wajd it is difficult to criticise the people who spin around.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

Ya'qub wrote:
What is the difference between being a Very Good Muslim and being a Sufi?

theres no difference.

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Do you have to do anything in particular that is different from mainstream Islam to be a Sufi?

nope. sufism/spirituality is a private matter between the person and their Lord. no one else. only Allah swt knows our level of imaan.

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Is Sufism JUST about the inner self, and if so how come every Sufi wears a special type of turban (depending on whichever order they are affiliated to)? Is this assumption naive and incorrect (if so I would need evidence of a well-known Sufi order who don't have a hierachy of turbans)?

not true. a sufi is someone who has conquered his nafs. just became a certain order has the name sufi/tasawwuf in it does not mean they are sufi.

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Could that uncle who I sat next to me in the Masjid be a Sufi and I would never have known?

yes.

Funzo wrote:
what do you mean when you say "you"? im not a sufi

whats is sufism in relation to you then?

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why do you want to know?

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

just curious, for a person who not a sufi, it pretty unusual for him to be displaying a poem based on sufism.

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why? i admire sufism. People who arent premier league footballers display admiration premier league footballers is that strange?

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

true, but if u admire it so much, why arnt u one? (trust a guy to relate it to football)

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Abou Ben Adhem by James Henry Leigh Hunt (1784-1859)

Abou Ben Adhem
Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace,
And saw, within the moonlight in his room,
Making it rich, and like a lily in bloom,
An Angel writing in a book of gold:
Exceeding peace had made Ben Adhem bold,
And to the Presence in the room he said,
"What writest thou?" The Vision raised its head,
And with a look made of all sweet accord
Answered, "The names of those who love the Lord."
"And is mine one?" said Abou. "Nay, not so,"
Replied the Angel. Abou spoke more low,
But cheerily still; and said, "I pray thee, then,
Write me as one who loves his fellow men."

The Angel wrote, and vanished. The next night
It came again with a great wakening light,
And showed the names whom love of God had blessed,
And, lo! Ben Adhem's name led all the rest!

I know what white is; I've seen black; I am grey, wishing to be colourless ...

Sumaiya wrote:
true, but if u admire it so much, why arnt u one? (trust a guy to relate it to football)

i thought i explained it to you i could only dream of being one.

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

but why not make that dream reality?

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