Hi all, can someone just tell me what the best one is and where you can get it?
My atheist friend was asking for one tonight and asked what was the best one cos all the ones they've seen thus far have had bad reviews and I wanna let em know QUICK before they lose interest in reading the Quran!
Cheers bigears'!
If they have an android phone the 'the Quran' app is free and easy to understand
I have Irfan ul Quran, it is in English and Arabic though..
You can read it online.
Link?
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
I don't think there are any good english translations really.
Irfan ul Qur'an
This one has some explanations with it too to explain what is being discussed.
There are also Yusuf Ali and Pikhtall, but with all of them it depends on what style of writing the person prefers and they all will have their ideosyncrosies - but as a base, any would be good if it is readable to the reader.
I can't remember the name of the person whose translation we use on this site.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Quran.com
Thanks guys, much obliiiged.
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
www.quranexplorer.com has a few different translators
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
No, I just want to know what the best most reliable one is.
i don't know anything about it so i don't know which is
and I don't wanna push him towards something salafi-fied that would make Islam look terroristy or whatever since he's sceptical as it is.
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
If he doesnt mind olde engligh, Pikhthall's translation I think was aimed at non Muslims (it was serialised in some newspaper or something).
But with all translations, they will never be perfect, so it depends on what style the person prefers.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I suppose I just want the most liberal-ish version
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
that is how you apply stuff, not the words. Pick any and as long as the style of writing does not put people off, it will be a good bet.
Actually, Aisha Bewley's translation may be a good option. Review. EDIT - quick look and many arabic words are pretty untranslated in it in order to "not use words that have imbued meanings", but this makes it trickier for the casual non Muslim reader.
(Not that I have read any of these.)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Another reccomendation from youtube:
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Message of the Qur'an translated by Muhammad Asad.
A quick glance suggests olde english, but with explanations and the book version (as opposed to the online version) looks good.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Muhammad Asad's is a good one, he's a convert hinself & explains things from a 'western' outlook, but the book version is massive & expensive, cos it has loads of extra notes, explanations etc.
I think the simplist, most clear is the one by Saheeh International. It uses modern English, & only has enough notes to understand what the text says, rather than being overbearing or confusing (like I've found in others).
I think u can order it free online somewhere, or it comes in lots of sizes so should be really cheap.
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gee thanks...
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
I would reccomend Marmaduke Pikhthall- Definitley helped me--
Death is the end of time. Not the end of Life.
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Well whatever, closest thing that was muslim and extreme I could think of and they're quite known to be linked to al-Qaeeda and 'jihadism'. I just couldn't see actual al-Qaeeda making Quran Tafsirs. My bad if I offended you.
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
And thanks guys, I'll look into your advice.
I'm liking the iQuran pro app on Android btw
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
euh... im linked to Al-Qaeda and jihadism?!? slow down with the generalizing! i'm not offended though...
what do you mean by a salaf? just so i know if im a "salaf" in your eyes...
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
I dunno, r u?
I'm talking about the extremist end of salafi obviously, and not Wahabism overall.
I'm not generalising, as I'm not at all interested in Salafism, I only know that a lot of their texts are said to be extreme and they're always being linked to al-qaeeda. Iunno if thats propoganda or not. (Google it.)
And I said 'salafi-fied' so even if it wasn't exactly salafi but it was LIKE that, its not what I wanted, I wanted a super liberal one and salafis aren't exactly known for their liberalism.
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
I hear you, if someone asked for a copy of the Quran I would be vary about giving them a non-authentic Salafi translation. The best ones I think would probably be Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Muhammad Asad, Bewely, or maybe the Monotheistic Group one may be worth looking at. At the end of the day, you have to tell your friend that there is no such thing as a "translation" it's the interpretation of the translation.
You could tell him that if he has any questions he can ask you and you'll point him in the right direction, no?
I hope that helps.
“Before death takes away what you are given, give away whatever there is to give.”
Mawlana Jalal ud Din Rumi
I don't think that we are doing the translators justice by suggesting such things.
The Qur'an is nuanced and deep and multilayered.
Every translation is unique as it will contain that author's insights into the texts.
Unless there is a factual accuracy in the translation, I don't think you cna go wrong with any of them, unless they are written ina prose and style that the reader is not too fond of.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Thank you! Glad you understand.
And yeah course, I would hope that goes without saying though
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
On a related note, is there any particular tafseer you would recommend?
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
isnt Tafseer Ibn Kathir a really good one? dont know though...might be a salafi one for all i know...
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
The english translation of ibn kathir is not that free flowing.
(I am pretty sure ibn kathir's tafsir is not too... controversial. If you ignore books from the last two centuries, anything earlier will generally be agreed upon or arguable at the least. The main thing to remember there is that they would be written by humans too, so will have some views you may or may not like, but that is ok, it is acceptable. It is how people work and as long as they are within the broadstrokes that are allowed, it is ok.)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
whatever you say admin. i cant be bothered with this anymore.
i was just saying the first thing that came to my mind, answering Tpos' question.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
I remember on tribune Muslim Bro I think it was recommending
particular one(s), so ask him; seems like something he'd know (:
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
What d'you mean by 'free flowing'?
and when you Google Tafseer his is the first few that come up so I'm guessing it's the main one?
What counts as a Tafsir anyway? Like would even THIS be considered a valid accompaniment?
http://www.irshadmanji.com/feminist-quran
#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #
I did ask him, but I've forgotten what he said :oops: Might still have it in a message, hmm, gotta check.
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Tafsir = explanation, sometimes detailed, sometimes brief. SO it sets the context of the verses, their various understood meanings etc and how/where they apply depending on how detailed the tafsir is.
The tafsir by Ibn Kathir is like a (detailed) glossary where for each verse it mentions what people understood from them etc, but the connection between one verse and the one preceeding it you may have to make yourself. Maybe others are like that too? but that is what I noticed when I was looking up something specific on it at some point on tafsir.com - have a look at the tafsir for some surah. It has a lot of info, but its not easy at the same time.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
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