This is not for predictions. Please vote for the outcome you prefer either with regard to conflicts close to your heart or most generally and ideologically. Feel free to add your thoughts.
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Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
As for the Israeli/Palestinian conflict I really wish the two parties live alongside each other in peace and harmony and without the need to kill each other.
It is easy saying yes or no but as Hamas don't want to recognise Israel and Israel/EU/US label Hamas as a terrorist group I blame both sides, not just Hamas.
I didn't ask you to blame anyone. I am always pushing zionists to recognise my point of view, which is for the most part a common and obvious point of view, and to accept that further withdrawals are necessary and negotiation and peace is vital and the situation of the Palestinians is urgent and the security of Israel is urgent, and regardless of blame the idea is to take responsibility for what we can through the lens of extolling friendly relations and an end to bloodshed. The reason I ask is specifically so that we shift away from blame and take responsibility.
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Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
100 Just in case you are making any rush judgements about MB I'm the one who voted war and victory. I was thinking about the war on terror when I voted.
That's hideous. Here killing babies has become the new national sport. It's beyond sickening.
Fortunately the President nominated two rock bed conservatives to the Court, everybody knows it's to overturn abortion. Who knows if it will work though.
unfortunately peace is rarely something that just happens. Although ideally we would like peace without the need for bloodshed but reality however paints a different picture.
I do not know if such a victory is possible in any war. I only know that great sacrifice will be required to ensure the future prosperity of mankind... or atleast to the victor.
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I can handle clouds, but cant fight with an eclipse.
Great. Do you promote that to people who believe in unconditional jihad against Israel?
Yes.
By the way, Jihad is more than physical violence, and when we refer to physical violence it has conditions. Alot!
So yes I like peace, I like peoples living together in harmony. I like justice, but sometimes I wonder if I know what Justice means.
Lets be positive, maybe the worst is behing us. Maybe "we are entering into an age of happiness and light".
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Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
The journey of 1000 miles must begin with a single step.
Peace is real. It is pretty fair to say we live in peace. Peace between Israel and Palestinians requires both sides to support and declare peace and to uphold that declaration. Without equivocating.
Dawud,
I'm with you.
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Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
100 Just in case you are making any rush judgements about MB I'm the one who voted war and victory. I was thinking about the war on terror when I voted.
Cool. I'm the one who voted "Click here if you're Don Karnage".
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Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
People especially non-muslims get confused of what the word jihad means. Some think that its a holy war against the non-believers. Jihad is an Arabic word that means 'striving in the way of God'. So one form of striving can mean the daily inner struggle to be a better person.
Cool. I'm the one who voted "Click here if you're Don Karnage".
Joker.
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Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
The journey of 1000 miles must begin with a single step.
People especially non-muslims get confused of what the word jihad means. Some think that its a holy war against the non-believers. Jihad is an Arabic word that means 'striving in the way of God'. So one form of striving can mean the daily inner struggle to be a better person.
Got that. I have a pretty big jihad on with myself, to do things at the time and in the way I said I would or as expected or to produce the best results. I get very distracted. So I'm going to log off now and do something.
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Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
peace and agreement is very difficult to attain without threats of violence if both sides are passionate.
Like voting peace by way of war? We could all do that. The poll was not a logical one but a question as to what you prefer. Basically your second sentence does not justify your appetite for violence. That attitude costs so many lives.
The belief that peace is preferable to violence is the only noble one. The belief that we live in a dog eat dog world - a self-fulfilling belief to be sure - makes me puke. What you say is difficult to attain will be difficult to attain. Unfortunately it only takes one of you to screw it up for all of us.
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Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
The poll was not a logical one but a question as to what you prefer.
interesting poll. but i dont think i'll vote because there isn't any single all-encompassing option which i 'prefer'. every situation is different and should be judged seperately.
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I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE MODESTY AND PROTECTION IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN.Dust, X-Men
However in the real world I cannot see people accepting less unless there is a chance they may lose more.
Admin got a point. Its a sort of compromise. Or a gamble if you will. Would you rather not keep lets say $4,000,000 rather than gambling it and possibly getting $8,000,000 but theres also a chance you'd loose everything?
Life is about gambling between what you're willing to loose and how badly you wanna win.
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I can handle clouds, but cant fight with an eclipse.
I reject your simplification. Life is about what we make it about. I'm looking at the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and how both sides can edge away from the violence. Suicide bombings have severely hampered their cause and taken many lives. Israel has all the cards and has taken many lives. I would say it is a good time to act on the will of most people on both sides and come to an agreement. What I am trying to establish is whether everyone can support that scenario or if anyone intends to remain aggressive and full of excuses. I know the declared positions of various groups and they include some grounds for optimism and some diehard enmity but I'm asking here, where I think most posters are possibly not quite as subjected to monolithic hate propaganda.
Hussnain,
Presumably anyone who votes for that option would want to be on the winning side.
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Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
My simplification does not require your acceptance, you are entitled to your opinon. Any sane individual will tell you a peaceful solotion is preferable. Now anyone who can come up with a workable soloution is welcome to try it out. Just as suicide bombings have damaged the palestinian cause so has the actions of the Israeli military. Im not gonna point the finger at whose fault this is because theres enough blame to go around and it wouldnt solve anything. Israel does hold a military advantage over the Palestinians whom are little more than rebels, but it would foolish to believe they hold all the cards.
That particular region has remained in a state of war on and off for decades and nothing has come of it. The only other option is a peaceful one... thats presuming one can be reached where both sides will agree upon and honor.
Hussnain: history is always written from the point of view of the victor.
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I can handle clouds, but cant fight with an eclipse.
Comments
27 November 2005
1 year 38 weeks
This is not for predictions. Please vote for the outcome you prefer either with regard to conflicts close to your heart or most generally and ideologically. Feel free to add your thoughts.
Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
10 May 2006
5 hours 22 min
As for the Israeli/Palestinian conflict I really wish the two parties live alongside each other in peace and harmony and without the need to kill each other.
27 November 2005
1 year 38 weeks
Great. Do you promote that to people who believe in unconditional jihad against Israel?
Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
10 May 2006
5 hours 22 min
It is easy saying yes or no but as Hamas don't want to recognise Israel and Israel/EU/US label Hamas as a terrorist group I blame both sides, not just Hamas.
27 November 2005
1 year 38 weeks
I didn't ask you to blame anyone. I am always pushing zionists to recognise my point of view, which is for the most part a common and obvious point of view, and to accept that further withdrawals are necessary and negotiation and peace is vital and the situation of the Palestinians is urgent and the security of Israel is urgent, and regardless of blame the idea is to take responsibility for what we can through the lens of extolling friendly relations and an end to bloodshed. The reason I ask is specifically so that we shift away from blame and take responsibility.
Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
16 August 2005
6 weeks 6 days
100 Just in case you are making any rush judgements about MB I'm the one who voted war and victory. I was thinking about the war on terror when I voted.
10 May 2006
5 hours 22 min
As Bush said "you are either with us or you are with the terrorists"....so you are with Bush?
16 August 2005
6 weeks 6 days
On terrorism and abortion, that's about it. I can't stand him, McCain or Warner will have a lot of work ahead of them.
10 May 2006
5 hours 22 min
I agree with you on abortion, check this out http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5026266.stm but not sure about the way Bush is dealing with terrorism.
16 August 2005
6 weeks 6 days
That's hideous. Here killing babies has become the new national sport. It's beyond sickening.
Fortunately the President nominated two rock bed conservatives to the Court, everybody knows it's to overturn abortion. Who knows if it will work though.
24 June 2005
6 days 21 hours
unfortunately peace is rarely something that just happens. Although ideally we would like peace without the need for bloodshed but reality however paints a different picture.
I do not know if such a victory is possible in any war. I only know that great sacrifice will be required to ensure the future prosperity of mankind... or atleast to the victor.
I can handle clouds, but cant fight with an eclipse.
21 August 2005
1 hour 29 min
Yes.
By the way, Jihad is more than physical violence, and when we refer to physical violence it has conditions. Alot!
So yes I like peace, I like peoples living together in harmony. I like justice, but sometimes I wonder if I know what Justice means.
Lets be positive, maybe the worst is behing us. Maybe "we are entering into an age of happiness and light".
Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
The journey of 1000 miles must begin with a single step.
27 November 2005
1 year 38 weeks
seraphim,
Peace is real. It is pretty fair to say we live in peace. Peace between Israel and Palestinians requires both sides to support and declare peace and to uphold that declaration. Without equivocating.
Dawud,
I'm with you.
Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
27 November 2005
1 year 38 weeks
Cool. I'm the one who voted "Click here if you're Don Karnage".
Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
10 May 2006
5 hours 22 min
People especially non-muslims get confused of what the word jihad means. Some think that its a holy war against the non-believers. Jihad is an Arabic word that means 'striving in the way of God'. So one form of striving can mean the daily inner struggle to be a better person.
21 August 2005
1 hour 29 min
Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.
The journey of 1000 miles must begin with a single step.
27 November 2005
1 year 38 weeks
Got that. I have a pretty big jihad on with myself, to do things at the time and in the way I said I would or as expected or to produce the best results. I get very distracted. So I'm going to log off now and do something.
Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
24 June 2005
4 min 51 sec
I voted war and victory.
peace and agreement is very difficult to attain without threats of violence if both sides are passionate.
Yarr!
27 November 2005
1 year 38 weeks
Like voting peace by way of war? We could all do that. The poll was not a logical one but a question as to what you prefer. Basically your second sentence does not justify your appetite for violence. That attitude costs so many lives.
The belief that peace is preferable to violence is the only noble one. The belief that we live in a dog eat dog world - a self-fulfilling belief to be sure - makes me puke. What you say is difficult to attain will be difficult to attain. Unfortunately it only takes one of you to screw it up for all of us.
Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
26 June 2005
32 weeks 1 day
interesting poll. but i dont think i'll vote because there isn't any single all-encompassing option which i 'prefer'. every situation is different and should be judged seperately.
I NEVER WORE IT BECAUSE OF THE TALIBAN, MOTHER. I LIKE THE MODESTY AND PROTECTION IT AFFORDS ME FROM THE EYES OF MEN. Dust, X-Men
27 November 2005
1 year 38 weeks
interesting reply. fair enough.
Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
24 June 2005
4 min 51 sec
Ok... in an ideal world where everything workd, I would go for peace and agreement.
However in the real world I cannot see people accepting less unless there is a chance they may lose more.
Yarr!
27 November 2005
1 year 38 weeks
I do not think that.
Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
24 June 2005
6 days 21 hours
Admin got a point. Its a sort of compromise. Or a gamble if you will. Would you rather not keep lets say $4,000,000 rather than gambling it and possibly getting $8,000,000 but theres also a chance you'd loose everything?
Life is about gambling between what you're willing to loose and how badly you wanna win.
I can handle clouds, but cant fight with an eclipse.
31 May 2006
2 years 23 weeks
I know im new on here and probably wont even get a reply.. but as for your 2nd option how is war and victory possible? whos the winner in the end?
Condemn Me, It Does Not Matter, History Will Absolve Me
27 November 2005
1 year 38 weeks
Seraphim,
I reject your simplification. Life is about what we make it about. I'm looking at the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and how both sides can edge away from the violence. Suicide bombings have severely hampered their cause and taken many lives. Israel has all the cards and has taken many lives. I would say it is a good time to act on the will of most people on both sides and come to an agreement. What I am trying to establish is whether everyone can support that scenario or if anyone intends to remain aggressive and full of excuses. I know the declared positions of various groups and they include some grounds for optimism and some diehard enmity but I'm asking here, where I think most posters are possibly not quite as subjected to monolithic hate propaganda.
Hussnain,
Presumably anyone who votes for that option would want to be on the winning side.
Whatever you do, know that I will always love you. Or else.
24 June 2005
6 days 21 hours
100man
My simplification does not require your acceptance, you are entitled to your opinon. Any sane individual will tell you a peaceful solotion is preferable. Now anyone who can come up with a workable soloution is welcome to try it out. Just as suicide bombings have damaged the palestinian cause so has the actions of the Israeli military. Im not gonna point the finger at whose fault this is because theres enough blame to go around and it wouldnt solve anything. Israel does hold a military advantage over the Palestinians whom are little more than rebels, but it would foolish to believe they hold all the cards.
That particular region has remained in a state of war on and off for decades and nothing has come of it. The only other option is a peaceful one... thats presuming one can be reached where both sides will agree upon and honor.
Hussnain: history is always written from the point of view of the victor.
I can handle clouds, but cant fight with an eclipse.
24 June 2005
4 min 51 sec
Just to make it clear, I am not looking at this in a narrow interpretation of a single conflict.
My position above is a generalisation.
And the losses indicated do not have to be in lives. It could be monetary, reputation or influence. or something else entirely.
Yarr!
31 May 2006
2 years 23 weeks
Hussnain: history is always written from the point of view of the victor
but history is not always told how it really was.. like the iraq war does anyone know the truth about whats goin on der?
Condemn Me, It Does Not Matter, History Will Absolve Me
24 June 2005
4 min 51 sec
That's current affairs, not history.
Yarr!