but it is about tolerating them.
Think about it.
People are always calling for "the ummah" to "unite" and generally set out new places and positions to unite, telling them to leave the bickering of old.
But what these people don't understand is that there have been differing opinions and views from the start - going as far back as the first caliph and how to deal with the insurgent tribes in Arabia or even earlier to how to elect a new leader.
When Muslims have been united, it has not been because there have been no differences - rather because they weer tolerant of them, allowing others to have diferring views.
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Agreed!
"Verily, in the remembrance of Allah, do hearts find rest"
why are there lots of muslim countries? can we talk about this here or should i create a new topic?
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
Many are there because that is how the lands were divided up by the victors of WW1 after the destruction of the Ottoman empire.
Others were not a part of it at all.
I don't see the "many countries" bit as a problem as you will always need local leadership and local politics or local government no matter if the country is big or small, unless you allow for the common people on the ground to be ignored.
Even when there was an empire (or empires), local cities, principalities etc would have some freedom for local administration and such leeway is always necessary.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
yes but this isnt just "local leadership" is it? this is more about "i rule this country. period".
is it my lack of knowledge or does the "EU" feels more like an "islamic state" the way its SUPPOSE to be working: all the little presidents meet up under that starfilled flag and then they have a "president of the presidents". minus the over debating and over argueing and hidden agendaing and moneymindedness.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
A superstructure such as the EU can be built between the Muslim states too.
But the question is is it needed?
What would its purpose be?
People can be united when in two countries too and with any country becoming too big, there is a greater chance of needing to repress the will of the people in one place or another.
Countries need to cooperate anyway, and do do so at some points, even in the arab world, visa free regimes were being set up recently (before the uprisings) between nations, and there is the "Organisation of Islamic Countries" and the "Arab League" which can be used to organise things.
In the past there was sometimes a need for a strong state as especially in western europe, they were linked to religion and those belonging to a religion than the official religion of the state would be persecuted - but that time is now over and we can have greater freedom here than in Muslim lands, so the need for a super power is not needed, and in terms of da'wah, having a Muslim superpower state would actively hurt us as you couldnt as easily give da'wah to non muslims.
So looking at it from the angle of Da'wah, e.g. the destruction of the ottoman empire was a good thing as it facilitated ina world where Muslims were no longer geographically bound by its borders.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
but in the term of dawah. the caliphate would..hmm..spread islam and make the non-muslims live in the caliphate and pay that tax and live amongst muslim, good dawah to start with. but no point discussing that, its not going to happen.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
That tax (cant remember what its called) is only for non muslims who would want to live there and NOT be a part of the state/community.
Otherwise, there would be no such tax on them.
It is something worth discussing, to see if it is an ideal worth following.
yes, a Muslim state may be the best thing since sliced bread. but it also may be repressive and awful.
It has been said by someone a century or two ago something along the lines of "in europe, I saw Islam without Muslims, in Egypt (or someother Muslim place where he was from), I saw Muslims but no Islam".
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Are you looking for the word Jazya tax by any chance?
My English is not very good
Yes, Jizyah.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Yunus as-Sadafi’ said:I have never seen a wiser man than ash-Shafi`ee, I was arguing with him one day about an issue and I left him.
One day, he met me, held my hand and said:
‘Cannot we be brothers, even if we disagree about something?’ “
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
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Lets reunite the ummah under one flag LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH
How does tht work? live in a country but not be part of the state?
They were discussing this on Ummah forum actually. Twasnt the nicest of discussions and so confusing! Very much a muslims Vs non muslims stand off.
(and why does this thread say new when it isnt?)
"Verily, in the remembrance of Allah, do hearts find rest"
This kind of tihng gives the BNP and EDL ground
My English is not very good