Where is rent a mob?

Where is rent a mob?

Where is rent a mob? Who pays rent a mob? Who are rent a Mob?

For years now there as been an unofficial war between Saudi Arabia and Iran in Yemen. [I am not even going to mention Iraq/Syria and Libya]

You have the mass slaughter of woman and children [who are mainly Muslim] by the use of advanced weapons by the Saudis [who are mainly Muslim]

Yes they [the Saudi’s] are using advanced weapons bought from the west. But there is no compulsion from the west to buy these weapons, or use them woman and children?

Yet if the west by the use of drones kills innocent civilians, or indeed if Israel kills innocent civilians. We have mass protests on the streets against these atrocities.

From an article in the Spectator

Spectator: Iran is our natural ally, not Saudi Arabia

Published on September 1, 2017

The article starts of by being in favour of Iran but then gets to its main theme, which is to express the fact that ISIS is now on the back foot in Iraq and Syria. Also that many of the ISIS member [who have not been killed or captured] are returning to Europe with intent to do??

[Spectator comment] The joke isn’t funny any more. Last month, the former head of MI5, Jonathan Evans, warned that Britain will face an Islamist terror threat for at least 30 years. Only the most blinkered observer would find it difficult to understand his concern. For with the near fall of Isis, thousands of jihadis steeped in the caliphate’s Wahhabi ideology are returning to Britain and Europe, determined to keep alive the dream of massacring infidels. It is our own civilisation that faces the real existential threat. The wave of terror attacks in Spain, Finland, Britain and Belgium has happened in a year in which Europe has witnessed at least one serious jihadist incident every week.

It also goes on to mention that 1000’s of migrants to Europe are young Muslim males who are followers of the Wahhabi version of Islam and sponsored by Saudi Arabia.

[Spectator comment] A recent report, suppressed by the UK government, revealed the majority of funding for UK mosques that promote Islamist extremism, and which play a crucial role in radicalising homegrown jihadis, originates from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf Arab countries that also embrace the odious Wahhabi ideology. These findings tally with other exhaustive studies on the expansion of Islamist extremism, both here and in Europe, which have singled out the spread of Saudi-sponsored Wahhabism as the gravest threat to our security and values. All similarly warnings were ignored by those who rule in our name.

Why they are now staring to attack the British government? I don’t know? Most of what goes on in Saudi is common knowledge, but was ignored [Oil for weapons? Oil for Saudi investment in the west?]

I can only guess. Maybe the Saudis are running out of oil [or lack of demand for oil] whilst the Iranians [and with them Iraqi] are sitting on most of the known easily accessible oil and gas reserves, just maybe the reason for this change?

[Spectator quote] None of that is to mention the elephant in the room. Without the heroic military sacrifices of Iran and its Shia ally, Hezbollah, on the front lines in the crumbling caliphate, Isis would not today be in its final death throes there, and al-Qaeda jihadists (whom we funded, trained and armed) would not be running for their lives. The US has also worked alongside Iranian generals in Iraq in the joint fight there against Isis. Even today, US Special Forces are working with the Lebanese army as it launches a simultaneous push with Hezbollah against Islamist terrorists created by Saudi and other Sunni countries that are still causing mayhem on the other side of the Syrian border.

So we are told that the US are training [and are behind ISIL] and we are now being told that they are supporting Iraqi and Iranian forces in Iraq. Also supporting Hezbollah and the Lebanese army in Syria against ISIL?

It appears that after the creation of ISIL [by whoever] we are now seeing a determined effort to destroy the Frankenstein monster that as been created. One thing for certain most of ISIL members who remain in Iraq and Syria are the expendables, whilst the true leaders [and possibly fanatics] are long gone.

[Spectator quote] Like Saudi Arabia, Shia-dominated Iran is a backward theocracy ruled by vicious old men who wrap themselves in the cloak of religion to limit their people’s freedom and steal their country’s wealth. Both countries are gross human rights abusers. There, though, the similarities end. In Saudi Arabia, non-Muslims are forbidden from practising their religion in public, while Iran’s constitution protects the rights of Christians and Jews. (One of my fondest memories of the region is hanging out with the Jewish communities in Tehran and Isfahan.)

Like the Jews, and very much unlike the Wahhabis, the Shias have no interest in converting everyone else to their religion; and the Iranians even have the decency — if that is the right word — to distinguish between Israel and Jews in anti-Zionist government rhetoric. Saudi Arabia promotes the kind of anti-Semitism the Nazis would have been proud of, while damning the Shia as collectively evil.

Back to the start and my question. Where is rent a mob? Who pays rent a mob? Who are rent a Mob?

Try Googling. Zionism and Wahhabism,.

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I dont think Saudi will run out of anytime soon and demand is booming. Prices may have dropped but that was Saudipolicy to bankrupt their competition (without understanding that said competition coulf simply pick up its tools and continue as soon as prices rise...)

As for refugees, I think while there has been a lot of scaremongering, there has been relatively little crime (or terrorism) from the refugees. Most that have succummbed to terrorism have been home grown, born in Europe individual and not refugees or recent migrants.

As for Yemen, what Saudi is doing there is dispicable. So is the sorry situation in Syria (though my understanding there was that before the rise of ISIS the CIA expected (and wrote papers years before of) the formation of a wahhabi statelet and expected to do business with it like they do with Saudi, but did not count on it being so anti-west).

Assad also deliberately played to this expectation by releasing extremists from prison and mercilessly crushing any moderate or reasonable opposition while allowing the extremists to roam free – knowing that he could not take both on and that chances were the west would change their minds about who they supported when it was him Vs extremists instead of the vocal local population.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

My main point was MSM are very quiet about Yemen and I don’t see much protesting outside the Saudi and other Gulf States Embassies.

Back to the start and my question. Where is rent a mob? Who pays rent a mob? Who are rent a Mob?

Have you tried Googling. “Zionism and Wahhabism” I mean collectively not individually? It brings up some interesting articles.

As for Saudi Oil, Saudi reached peak oil some 10+ years ago. No new finds in Saudi and production costs for Saudi oil is increasing. So with oil prices on the lower limit, profit margins are being cut. Yes Saudi did try to cut prices to bankrupt the opposition [shale gas to mention one] But with world economy down, and the rise of alternative energy production, unless something drastic happens I can’t see oil rising much past $50 [currently at $30]

Saudi is talking about selling part of Aramco to raise cash, and for the first time it is spending more then it earns. It as a high welfare bill and an ever-rising under-employed young generation who have been used to these welfare benefits. It will have difficulty weaning them off these benefits and finding meaningful work for them.

As for Assad, there have been far worse leaders and at least the majority of Syrians had a decent standard of living compared to surrounding areas. One could say the same about Gaddafi in Libya. Saddam Hussein in Iraq Yes all had disgruntled oppositions. But you can’t please everyone and now all these countries are worse off now then before the conflicts. No one lives forever and all things change eventually.

Just a thought, if the young Saudis become disgruntled about their fall in living standards and start to protest. Will the House of Saud be tolerant? Or will they crack down on [reasonable] opposition? Or will they make Assad, Gaddafi and Saddam look reasonable?

Back to my original question. Where is rent-a-mob. they are not outside Saudi and Gulf State Embassies, protesting about the killing of 1000’s innocent Muslim civilians by Muslims?

 

I dont think there are many instances of rent-a-mobs that actually take plae outside of political events where a party wants to look more popular then it is.

As for Wahhabism while it has existed for a couple of centuries, it has been protected for the last century by outside powers in the form of Saudi Arabia. FIrst by the British Empire and then by the US.

Not all adherents of Wahhabi type teachings are extremists, though their flexibility in teachings does allow for it – I would suspect this is because of rejeciton of 1200 years of precedent.

While traditional Islam has had books and huge collections of them, the way to read them has always been through a tradition of a teacher teaching a student to explain them – unlike some modern books, they were not meant to be read on their own and without a teachers guidance all statements can be considered equal whereas precedent and teachers guidance will show otherwise.

It is paradoxical that the teachings and ways of wahhabism and other modern schools of thought arrived at a time when modern science finally revealed facts of the universe that supported the old ways.

An example of this is the concept of the “no-space” something that westerns readers may have come across from historical science fiction. and also religious doctrine.

Many modern interpretations of religion decided to abandon such concepts because they were fantastical – at precisely the time that scientists found the limits of matter and of space(and of the universe).

On the other hand it is awe inspiring seeing historical discussions of religion discussing subject matter that would not be clearly seen as scientific.

I am referring above to the Mi’raj where the traditional majority view has been that the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam (Peace and Blessings be upon him) was taken to a place outside of time and space (which lead to detailed discussions on time and space), while the common modern wahhabi interpretation (which does not seem to comprehend that limits of time and space that are/have recently been discovered) is that it must have been a dream.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Just a thought, if the young Saudis become disgruntled about their fall in living standards and start to protest. Will the House of Saud be tolerant? Or will they crack down on [reasonable] opposition? Or will they make Assad, Gaddafi and Saddam look reasonable?[/quote]

The experience from Bahrain (and Yemen) shows that they will be just as brutal if not more brutal.

But in the international space they are protected and any criticism would be for local democratic consumption.

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Back to my original question. Where is rent-a-mob. they are not outside Saudi and Gulf State Embassies, protesting about the killing of 1000’s innocent Muslim civilians by Muslims?

It is not a rent-a-mob. People become passionate once they learn about an injustice and they feel that they can make a difference.

With Israel there have been decades of education that have resulted in some result with some level of protests. People have also been taught that they can boycott certain products in order to make an ethical choice.

Then there is protest at out own government for its actions.

With Syria/Libya/Iraq Protests are against the actions of out own governments. but we cannot boycott produce that supports these regimes because its not a common occurance.

With Saudi Arabia, once again our protests are limited to the actions of our own government and of arming the regime to carry out oppression and attrocities. There is some organisation being conducted around this and people are angry at how our government condones or supports such actions. They are less aware of British/US policy supporting them for the last century in order to destabilise the whole middle east.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

The experience from Bahrain (and Yemen) shows that they will be just as brutal if not more brutal.

I am glad to see that you are under no illusions as to what the Saudi government and others would do if met with similar problems.

Two rules in government; 1] remain in power and 2] try to please the majority [if possible] It’s the minorities that want to take-over, [or as Spock said “The needs of the many, out-way the needs of the few”.]

But in the international space they are protected and any criticism would be for local democratic consumption

Yes governments tend to try to look after each other, but this does not prevent peaceful protest. I marched against Vietnam and in the Ban the Bomb campaigns. Yes we had little effect, but I believe it deterred governments from being to full of self-importance. Same as the marches against the second invasion of Iraq and the NATO bombing campaign in Libya was fruitless, but NATO governments had second thoughts on Syria.

As for Wahhabism while it has existed for a couple of centuries, it has been protected for the last century by outside powers in the form of Saudi Arabia. FIrst by the British Empire and then by the US

Quite correct, Wahhabism appears to have started in the 18th century, whilst Zionism started in the 19th. Both were used in the early 20th century to a] unify the Arabs in Arabia against the Ottomans and b] the Zionist became the political wing of Judaism to obtain the land of Israel.

Who set them up? Who controlled them? And who were the eventual beneficiaries of both movements? These are questions that have many answers, which only lead to more questions. But the important thing to remember is, both were useful tools to get and gain power.

While traditional Islam has had books and huge collections of them, the way to read them has always been through a tradition of a teacher teaching a student to explain them – unlike some modern books, they were not meant to be read on their own and without a teachers guidance all statements can be considered equal whereas precedent and teachers guidance will show otherwise

In the Christian Church, there were similar thoughts. The bible could only be read in Latin or Greek. Only the people in charge could read both so they got to interpret the bible and explain its meanings. Hence when the bible was translated into English [and other European languages], which the middle class could read and understand it was seen as heresy and a threat to God and the religious authorities?

William Tyndale translated the Bible into English [This led to a challenge to the religious leaders and a weakening of their powers] and for doing so, Tyndale was charged with heresy and executed. When the printing press became common and the Bible, plus other books became cheaper and more readily available, this became an even greater threat.

A bit like the only true way to understand the Quran is to read it in Arabic, and not a translation.

In fact it was commonplace, right up to the 60’s to hear Mass in many Catholic Churches in many countries in Latin.

An example of this is the concept of the “no-space” something that westerns readers may have come across from historical science fiction. and also religious doctrine.

Many modern interpretations of religion decided to abandon such concepts because they were fantastical – at precisely the time that scientists found the limits of matter and of space(and of the universe).

I am referring above to the Mi’raj where the traditional majority view has been that the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam (Peace and Blessings be upon him)was taken to a place outside of time and space (which lead to detailed discussions on time and space), while the common modern wahhabi interpretation (which does not seem to comprehend that limits of time and space that are/have recently been discovered) is that it must have been a dream.

I think in this you are referring to Quantum Mechanics. Were things can appear be here, there and everywhere at the same time. Or the fact all things are made of atoms and even though things appear to be solid things are in fact full of space and the atoms, neutrons are moving so fast they can occupy the same space.

This fact is in itself fantastic, but the fact we have discovered it and learned to manipulate it is even more fantastic.

As for the Mi’raj were overnight, Mohammed was taken to the seven heavens, met God, was taken to Jerusalem and brought back to Mecca. Was it a dream? Did it happen for real? Many believe it was a dream, while many believe that it was real. Mohammed certainly believed that it was real. Who am I to say one way or the other it is all a question of faith.

The Catholic and Protestant Church argued for centuries [some still do] that when the sacrament of Mass [or Holy Communion] that for the Catholics, the bread and wine become the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ. While Protestants believe that they are only a representation and that we are following Jesus Christ’s teachings and example of the last supper and doing it [the Holy Communion] in remembrance of him.

Even now, though we share many things in common with the Catholic Church [and have stopped killing each other] we still cannot share mass [or Holy Communion] with Catholics. Officially the Catholic Church teachings forbid it.

 

 

I wasnto referring to the Qur’an, or even the hadith collections.

There are other books of philosophical thought that exist – many the authors own opinion. A casual glance wont show whether the opinion read was accepted by the majority or rejected.

(for non-source books, as there is no formal hierarchy in Sunni Islam, whether opinions were accepted or rejected by the majority holds a lot of weight.)

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.