heard it as a surname..

yeh, herd of baigs.

Muazzam begg was the borther who came back from guantanamo innit. Saw him in central mosque once after he came back.

"Constantine" wrote:

"Judda" wrote:

yep they still ramble on about it...

my kashmiri mate is a "seyed" they cliam to be decendents of the prophet muhammad, boy do they show off...

thats dangerous...

Why?

Muhammad was not a violent guy or anything…

"Judda" wrote:

Why?

It's unwarranted power.

You could be a perfectly awful person and if you were born into the line people would naturally be enticed to follow you.

I think he thought you were saying his post was dangerous...

If one is a syed, is a gift. However it has not rights attached to it. it does not imply superiority or inferiority.

"Admin" wrote:

I think he thought you were saying his post was dangerous...

If one is a syed, is a gift. However it has not rights attached to it. it does not imply superiority or inferiority.

Oh but it does - why else would people bother?

There is no other reason to pay attention to it.

There might not be legal or spiritual bonuses but people take notice and will pay a little more attention to you.

It's like in the United States when somebody learns you are a Son of the Revolution. Some people won't care - but many people think you have some kind of deeper insight into government.

But here we are talking about religion, which is far more important.

Actually a Syed should be respected on account of his lineage. Imam Shafi'ee alayhi rahmah would stand in respect for even the immature boys of Syed household, it is only in one thing the Syeds are more virtuous, viz lineage. A person may be superior to Syed in regards to knowledge, taqwa, wealth, manners, beauty etc.

It is only in one thing, lineage, that the Syeds are superior to us, and I feel no shame in that. The Syeds are upon our heads.

*RuBy*
mind ur own buznez ok
no body asking about my back+ground
why you after people back ha....talk to me ..u BPIAAE

if you know what i mean

I personally go as far as say that i prefer Bengali too Pakistani. Maybe because of their upbringing, but they generally seem to have more manners then pakistani, i am talking about England only here. Islamically there much more aware and I normally agree more with them, then i do with pakistani on islamic matters. But saying that i understand alot of my bengali mate have the same feeling towards their own as I do about my nationaility. But from my point of view they certainly seem better at least.

"Med" wrote:

Actually a Syed should be respected on account of his lineage. Imam Shafi'ee alayhi rahmah would stand in respect for even the immature boys of Syed household, it is only in one thing the Syeds are more virtuous, viz lineage. A person may be superior to Syed in regards to knowledge, taqwa, wealth, manners, beauty etc.

It is only in one thing, lineage, that the Syeds are superior to us, and I feel no shame in that. The Syeds are upon our heads.

Lol they can get stuffed!!!

Muhammad died 1400 years ago!!!

How da hell is one to know if they are related to him or not!?

They show off too much, ironically god does not love the arrogant show offs!

I can’t stand them… they reckon way too much of themselves… they take advantage of people that get their heads stuck in all this syed crap!

Dave whats children of revolution?

Aww come on Judda just when you were starting to head around this Respect thing.

You can do it if you try its not that hard, all you got to do is chill first then type.

and judda I think Med meant the Syeds are better than us because of the best lineage possible but that doesn't mean anyone has a right to be arrogant.

So remember (in a scouse accent) caalm down, caalm downn.

They don’t deserve any more respect then Jews, Christians, Grave worshippers and devil worshippers….. they’re only human….

Caste systems are not allowed in Islam.

The are NOT better then us!-end of

"Judda" wrote:

Caste systems are not allowed in Islam.

The are NOT better then us!

I accept the merits of your argument however one must acknowledge that acceptance is not always acquiescence.

Also definately more polite, we'll make an Aristocrat out of you yet!

"Judda" wrote:

Dave whats children of revolution?

There are a number of bizarre organizations that try to gather up descendants of major revolutionary war figures to talk about how great they are and provide scholarships and stuff.

"Sons of the Revolution" is one "Sons of Liberty" is another.

It's total garbage... mostly the idea is everybody talks about how great they are that somebody they are distantly related to "Actually mattered"

They act like they have some sort of deeper understanding of the Constitution than the average american.

Its like an attempt at "american nobility" an equally idiotic idea.

My dad and I get stuff from them a lot of times asking for money to publish books and such.

lol those get tossed

That reminds me you still haven't given me your aautograph yet... [size=8]preferably on a blank cheque[/size]

"angel" wrote:

Anyone heard of "baigs"?

anila baig- she is a muslim journalist for The Sun, very good actually.

my mum is a Begum. she is pak

mm i find it hard to accept that anyone is more superior than the next person just because of their lineage, background or anything. I've met lots of ppl on forums who claim they're syeds, then they continue to down talk to you like somehow they are instantly in a better standing in society and with God just because of this name? I just don't believe that, all leads to arrogance. I agree with Judda.

syed or not syed, no1 is superior nor commands more respect

respect should be given to all anyway

BUT....from what i know, even tho a Syed may be dodgy or upto no good, jus dont make a statement - coz they do come from the family of the Prophet

but u right, they shouldnt look down on people

i personally havnt met any who do, but thats coz the ones i know are very humble and nice people

Sheesha is fine by me, a very relaxing way to socialise; probably unhygeinic and clinically unhealthy, but it's cool to be carefree once in a while if others will also enjoy it. Sometimes it's nice to use narghila as a room scent, occasionally popping over to stoke it up and have a puff. In Britain, in my place anyway, it recalls the contemplative grandeur of the Alice in Wonderland caterpillar and all those pre-twentieth century smacked up travelled artisans, so it's a bit of homage, not just the middle-eastern time out thing.

u live in edgware amongst all the sheesha smoking Arabs

of course you'd think that :twisted:

seriously....whats wrong with it?

its gooood fun

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

seriously....whats wrong with it?

its gooood fun

i want the revival sheikh to answer the Q about its permissabity before I try it out and get addicted on the stuff...

lol u cant get addicted

theres nothing to get addicted to

only reason i go is coz the sheesha cafe is really nice, and u get to sit back, chill and talk

the sheesha jus knocks you off ur feet a lil

btw....i saw a Important member of revival team there not so long ago :twisted:

They ain't exactly Lewis Caroll (not that I am), I don't relate to them so well. Being really honest I get uncomfortable around that, sitting by the main road there doesn't remind me of chilling in the desert or anything. But there are some very funky little clubs around London where it is nice to sit with a sheesha and red wine among friends. There was a wicked Tunisian sarnie place (I don't think I could eat much there) in Leeds, with an upstairs full of poufs and hookahs , I've forgotten what it's called, opposite the Townhouse (Townhouse was dead naff).

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

btw....i saw a Important member of revival team there not so long ago :twisted:

ASTAGFIRULLAH

does he preach "do as I say-Not do as I do"