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Do not hide your lack of manners behind anothers mistakes.

Make no mistake about it if there is no apology by 9pm, there will be interesting times.

Do not make yourself the weakest link.

I am not trying to hide behind anything. I will say once again that I am not involved with either Minhaj nor their charity.

Heck, the charity money I do donate goes through other charities.

and in your opinion if someone does not donate to chechnya, or work there, they are no longer Muslim? nice definition.

Wow, please don’t tell me you’re a councilor, you’ll be a rubbish one if you don’t listen to this, this has nothing to do with Med. Because I said he is my friend and I promised him that I wouldn’t eat his flesh.. I don’t follow village mob mentality epidemic in your country, try to write a better critique next time.

To tell you the truth, i dont think you guyz are worthy of seeing his Huzoor Shaykh ul Islams blessed face.

how am I not worthy? how can one human being not be worthy of seeing another human being....

is TuQ that infallible?

again, you show a classic example of veneration, you proclaim this to be "love" and "respect" the excess in your respect and attachment you have for TuQ is how you have allied yourself with error.

your statements and avatar are a clear demonstration of this

(*_ShazanWow, please don’t tell me you’re a councilor, you’ll be a rubbish one if you don’t listen to this, this has nothing to do with Med. Because I said he is my friend and I promised him that I wouldn’t eat his flesh.. I don’t follow village mob mentality epidemic in your country, try to write a better critique next time.

I believe Beast's country is the UK.

While, I must say Med's downfall was his own fault, yours may be hurried along if I do not see the apology posted.

So how do you explain your anger since Med's banning?

Beast

(*_Kamilah*

Beast

(*_Kamilah*Salaams,

Noor, what happened to your pic...the one u used as your avatar, the one of your beloved Shaykh?

What happened to you answering my questions. Don't you want to help me see the light?

I'll tell you what happened, I answered you questions.

try asking a different question and not a question that as already been answered. :)

Just go back and answer 4, 5 and 6.

It won't hurt...

please increase your post count by interrogating someone else with inane questions.

*yawns*

Admin

So how do you explain your anger since Med's banning?

Listening to zombies promoting their saint and country.

(*_Kamilah*please increase your post count by interrogating someone else with inane questions.

*yawns*

My post count is already quite high thankyou.

What do you have to hide?

My questions are just following simple logic. I need things broken down for me. I can't help it. I guess I'm a bit slow. But if you can't answer them what does that say about you?

Why don't you just have a try...?

(*_Shazan

Admin

So how do you explain your anger since Med's banning?

Listening to zombies promoting their saint and country.

1 - Who unduly promoted their country since Med's banning?

2 - Who unduly promoted their scholar since Med's banning?

3- Is it possible for someone to disagree with you and still be in the right?

Beast

(*_Kamilah*please increase your post count by interrogating someone else with inane questions.

*yawns*

My post count is already quite high thankyou.

What do you have to hide?

My questions are just following simple logic. I need things broken down for me. I can't help it. I guess I'm a bit slow. But if you can't answer them what does that say about you?

Why don't you just have a try...?

If she wants to drop the topic, let her. I always try to give people one chance to drop the topic. She is trying to take it. Let it pass.

If she picks the topic up again (whatever it was since I cannot remember) then press her on it.

AdminIf she wants to drop the topic, let her. I always try to give people one chance to drop the topic. She is trying to take it. Let it pass.

If she picks the topic up again (whatever it was since I cannot remember) then press her on it.

You're the boss.

Shazan: Oh my God this is all one big conspiracy. You are all under the direct control of Admin. You do everything he tells you to.

Beast

(*_Shazan

Admin

So how do you explain your anger since Med's banning?

Listening to zombies promoting their saint and country.

1 - Who unduly promoted their country since Med's banning?

2 - Who unduly promoted their scholar since Med's banning?

3- Is it possible for someone to disagree with you and still be in the right?

Aging you make a rubbish councillor. Nothing to do with med, happens to be we may share the same opinions on a few matters, I’ve closed and edited many of his comments on MD when he was unjust, so find other polemic to play devils advocate with.

Beast

Shazan: Oh my God this is all one big conspiracy. You are all under the direct control of Admin. You do everything he tells you to.

That it because I love him.......

Every1 go and do a fresh wudu. It will calm your anger down.

To Shazan and Kamilah, you seem to have some obsession with Minhaj ul Quran and Shaykh ul Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri. It's always Minhaj this TuQ that. What is your problem?

Every1 question yourselvs, Allah is looking at you, the Angels are writting everything down which you are saying and muttering, do you think Allah is please with you right now? Honestly do you actaully think you are pleasing Allah by having a slandering match with each other?
What if you was to die here, right now, typing an insult on this keyboard. Would you be happy with this death?

Just stop it now. Enough is enough. Ur giving the shaytan brownie points, he is the one winning here not Allah.

For the sake of Allah plz drop IT!

Geniesis/Noor and the rest of the MQ members on this forum, ignore Shazan/kalimah etc.

What they say about Shaykh-ul-Islam by no means lessens his status and the work he has done, let them be, afterall the slander they say against Shaykh-ul-Islam is being written as a bad deed for them.

So just don't answer any questions, no point as it's like talking to a brick wall.

Wasalam

*_Noor_*Every1 go and do a fresh wudu. It will calm your anger down.

To Shazan and Kamilah, you seem to have some obsession with Minhaj ul Quran and Shaykh ul Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri. It's always Minhaj this TuQ that. What is your problem?

Every1 question yourselvs, Allah is looking at you, the Angels are writting everything down which you are saying and muttering, do you think Allah is please with you right now? Honestly do you actaully think you are pleasing Allah by having a slandering match with each other?
What if you was to die here, right now, typing an insult on this keyboard. Would you be happy with this death?

Just stop it now. Enough is enough. Ur giving the shaytan brownie points, he is the one winning here not Allah.

For the sake of Allah plz drop IT!

JazakAllahu Khayr. May Allah reward you for posting this message.

rose

*_Noor_*Every1 go and do a fresh wudu. It will calm your anger down.

To Shazan and Kamilah, you seem to have some obsession with Minhaj ul Quran and Shaykh ul Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri. It's always Minhaj this TuQ that. What is your problem?

Every1 question yourselvs, Allah is looking at you, the Angels are writting everything down which you are saying and muttering, do you think Allah is please with you right now? Honestly do you actaully think you are pleasing Allah by having a slandering match with each other?
What if you was to die here, right now, typing an insult on this keyboard. Would you be happy with this death?

Just stop it now. Enough is enough. Ur giving the shaytan brownie points, he is the one winning here not Allah.

For the sake of Allah plz drop IT!

JazakAllahu Khayr. May Allah reward you for posting this message.

Beast

AdminWhy have you gone on a full offensive since Med has been banned?

He's looking for avenues to vent his anger. He feels angry at the wordl and wants to lash out.

But no fully-rounded enemies exist for him to direct his anger at - so he makes up enemies and gives them characteristics which are in fact non-existent. In this vain he accuses everyone on this forum of being a Brelwi or a Minhajan. Even when there are only certain people on this forum who would refer to themsleves as Brelwis and Minhajans he applies these lables to the whole forum regardless.

He is unsure of what or who he believes. So in order to develop some boundaries as what exactly he does believe he is starting out by expressing what he believes he is opposed to. He opposes bidah - but in the absence of any real instances of bidah on this forum he accuses others of committing bidah (eg celebrating Milad) and he admonishes them. He does not realise - or at least subconciously blanks out - the fact many of the scholars he would consider legitimate themselves celebrate Milad.

His absolute belief that Islam forbids nationalism and his own certainty that he too is not nationalist prevents him from seeing that any scholars or imams who tell him to be vary of Shaykh Tahir ul Qadri are themselves infuenced by nationalism and a sense of tribalism. They would not dissmiss say Saykh Nu Ha Mim Keller or Shaykh Yacoubi for the kinds of things they dissmiss Shaykh Tahir ul Qadri for. It is nationalist tribalist instincts which cause one to be criticised and not the other.

Shazan used to be unsure about making sectarian comments. He knew he be admonished for them and lose respect in the eyes of his peers. Whilst Med was here Shabaz was happy to sit on the sidelines and cheer Med along. Med's resoluteness in his sectarianism and his unwillingness to see the error of his ways made Shazan admire him. At the same time Shazan too developed a certainty and a hardening of his sectarianism. But now that Med has left Shazan feels he has to fill the void. He feels it was a great injustice that Med was banned. Med had confirmed for Shazan that sectarianism was good and that it was not divisive or a fitna. Shazan feels that Med's mission of spreading sectarianism has to continue.

I suspect Shazan would have been less vocal had he not found a side-kick in Kamilah. Kamilah too found a role model in Med and she too feels that the void has to be filled. Med's charisma and sheer presence bowled over both Shazan and Kamilah. He was almost like a cult-leader for them. They have now vowed to continue his mission against the evil that is The Revival.

I think you chose the wrong career path...you should have become a psychiatrist.

lol @beast.

(*_Shazan

Beast

(*_Shazan

Admin

So how do you explain your anger since Med's banning?

Listening to zombies promoting their saint and country.

1 - Who unduly promoted their country since Med's banning?

2 - Who unduly promoted their scholar since Med's banning?

3- Is it possible for someone to disagree with you and still be in the right?

Aging you make a rubbish councillor. Nothing to do with med, happens to be we may share the same opinions on a few matters, I’ve closed and edited many of his comments on MD when he was unjust, so find other polemic to play devils advocate with.

Admin asked you why you have become angrier since Med left. You replied. I am merely asking you to back up that reply.

You never said it was "nothing to do with Med" when replying to Admin. You said it was because you were "listening to zombies promoting their saint and country."

Back that up.

BeastBack that up.

Well, he can't now!

😛

MuslimSister

Beast

AdminWhy have you gone on a full offensive since Med has been banned?

He's looking for avenues to vent his anger. He feels angry at the wordl and wants to lash out.

But no fully-rounded enemies exist for him to direct his anger at - so he makes up enemies and gives them characteristics which are in fact non-existent. In this vain he accuses everyone on this forum of being a Brelwi or a Minhajan. Even when there are only certain people on this forum who would refer to themsleves as Brelwis and Minhajans he applies these lables to the whole forum regardless.

He is unsure of what or who he believes. So in order to develop some boundaries as what exactly he does believe he is starting out by expressing what he believes he is opposed to. He opposes bidah - but in the absence of any real instances of bidah on this forum he accuses others of committing bidah (eg celebrating Milad) and he admonishes them. He does not realise - or at least subconciously blanks out - the fact many of the scholars he would consider legitimate themselves celebrate Milad.

His absolute belief that Islam forbids nationalism and his own certainty that he too is not nationalist prevents him from seeing that any scholars or imams who tell him to be vary of Shaykh Tahir ul Qadri are themselves infuenced by nationalism and a sense of tribalism. They would not dissmiss say Saykh Nu Ha Mim Keller or Shaykh Yacoubi for the kinds of things they dissmiss Shaykh Tahir ul Qadri for. It is nationalist tribalist instincts which cause one to be criticised and not the other.

Shazan used to be unsure about making sectarian comments. He knew he be admonished for them and lose respect in the eyes of his peers. Whilst Med was here Shabaz was happy to sit on the sidelines and cheer Med along. Med's resoluteness in his sectarianism and his unwillingness to see the error of his ways made Shazan admire him. At the same time Shazan too developed a certainty and a hardening of his sectarianism. But now that Med has left Shazan feels he has to fill the void. He feels it was a great injustice that Med was banned. Med had confirmed for Shazan that sectarianism was good and that it was not divisive or a fitna. Shazan feels that Med's mission of spreading sectarianism has to continue.

I suspect Shazan would have been less vocal had he not found a side-kick in Kamilah. Kamilah too found a role model in Med and she too feels that the void has to be filled. Med's charisma and sheer presence bowled over both Shazan and Kamilah. He was almost like a cult-leader for them. They have now vowed to continue his mission against the evil that is The Revival.

I think you chose the wrong career path...you should have become a psychiatrist.

forum members.....kiss ur thumbs quick, the Beast dropped a few lines.

Beast, do you consider yourself an Auwliyah like ur beloved Shaykh?

do you consider yourself infallible?

Do you consider yourself some kind of God? that you can go and make such huuuge judgements

Ma'adhAllah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did he say he considers himself as anyone of those?

I would call that an educated guess. With a few things he got wrong, but also a few things he got right.

Especially the bit about directing anger.

(*_Kamilah*
forum members.....kiss ur thumbs quick, the Beast dropped a few lines.

Beast, do you consider yourself an Auwliyah like ur beloved Shaykh?

do you consider yourself infallible?

Do you consider yourself some kind of God? that you can go and make such huuuge judgements

Ma'adhAllah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol. Why all the hate Sis?

1-Not every MQ/forum member here kiss's their thumbs...I certainly don't.

2-Beast has never, ever claimed to follow "Beloved Shaykh, Tahir ul Qadri"

3-I'm sure the brother doesnt consider himself an Awliya or infallible.

4-Making an analysis of someone character/actions does not neccessarily mean that they think they are God.

(*_Kamilah*do you consider yourself infallible?

Do you consider yourself some kind of God? that you can go and make such huuuge judgements

Pot. Kettle. Black.

AdminDid he say he considers himself as anyone of those?

I would call that an educated guess. With a few things he got wrong, but also a few things he got right.

Especially the bit about directing anger.

i suppose you would consider that an educated guess after all you are a Barelwi! you believe anything!!!, siding with the beast :roll:

now that Shazan is banned why dont you all gather for a urs, and exchange slanderous sweetmeats as you have been doing to Med, Shazan and myself.

i'll join you, i know i'm not worthy of seeing your blessed shaykh, but i have saved him an empty chair.

i think everyone should CALM DOWNNNNNNN y so much hateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Allah gives and forgives, man gets and forgets breathe and get over your differnces

Admin I didnt know you were a brewli. ..:?:

Sis, you might feel a lot more comfortable in the YaNabi forum. Most of them there, openly and proudly admit to being brewli's and do much of what you accuse us of.

According to our own poll, only three people admit to being brewli's.

MuslimSisterAdmin I didnt know you were a brewli. ..:?:

She is trying to get a reaction.

I would consider myself hanafi, and after that I seem to (probably) arrogantly make my own assumption and conclusions.

I only know a few things I really know about brelwi thought. Firstly that having a full beard is waajib or something. I disagree. And also Having Mawlid is a must for every muslim. Once again I disagree. Thirdly they say all pictures are haraam. I disagree. And 'All wahaaabi's are kaafir'. Once again I disagree. However these views are ones I have been told, so thye may not be accurate.

Over the issue of Ilm Ul Ghayb, there is no difference of opinion. One sides believes that the knowledge grants to others cannot be called ilmul Ghayb. The other side believes that it can be called that. However both sides agree that Allah (swt) is all powerful and can transfer what ever knowledge He wills. I do not care for definition as long as I am clear which one is being used by whom, so I agree with everyone here!

I have been called many things, and its not something I really bother with. At work I did not even correct people if they got my name wrong. Just didn't care enough to correct them.

(*_Kamilah*

AdminDid he say he considers himself as anyone of those?

I would call that an educated guess. With a few things he got wrong, but also a few things he got right.

Especially the bit about directing anger.

i suppose you would consider that an educated guess after all you are a Barelwi! you believe anything!!!, siding with the beast :roll:

now that Shazan is banned why dont you all gather for a urs, and exchange slanderous sweetmeats as you have been doing to Med, Shazan and myself.

i'll join you, i know i'm not worthy of seeing your blessed shaykh, but i have saved him an empty chair.

patience.

Fear and hatred lead to the drak side!

PS who is my beloved shaykh? I would love to know. May actually wanna meet him then!

Admin

MuslimSisterAdmin I didnt know you were a brewli. ..:?:

She is trying to get a reaction.

I would consider myself hanafi, and after that I seem to (probably) arrogantly make my own assumption and conclusions.

I only know a few things I really know about brelwi thought. Firstly that having a full beard is waajib or something. I disagree. And also Having Mawlid is a must for every muslim. Once again I disagree. Thirdly they say all pictures are haraam. I disagree. And 'All wahaaabi's are kaafir'. Once again I disagree. However these views are ones I have been told, so thye may not be accurate.

.

Maybe she knows you better than you know yourself...I myself am tired of having to repeatedly point that that "most of us are NOT brewli's".

I agree, with all of the above...I've also heard that their mosques are not very women friendly. But, then again that could just be heresay.