Wanton destruction of Palestine and Lebanon

zaraHow cum the lebanese army isn't doing anything?

coz its incapable of doing anything.

Its airforce does not have a single fighter jet. Nor a helicopter capable of carrying large ammunitions. They probably have plenty of paper aeroplanes though.

IDF prepared for attack by Syria

While Israel is not interested in opening a front against Syria, the IDF will respond harshly and with its full might if President Bashar Assad decides to attack Israel, a high-raking IDF officer in the Northern Command told The Jerusalem Post Sunday.

"We are continuing with our message that we are not interested in fighting with Syria," the officer said, "But we are fully prepared for a Syrian attack, in the case of which we will strike back extremely hard."

The officer said he believed Damascus had been receiving the clear message Israel had been sending its way that it did not want to fight Syria. Whatever happened on the border completely depended on Assad, the officer said.

"It is up to him, and at the moment we don't know what he plans to do," he said.

He added that Saturday's IAF attack on a road that led from Syria into Lebanon near the Syrian border was meant to thwart weapons smuggling attempts.

The IDF was also concerned about a possible Syrian attack in response to the ongoing IDF operations in Lebanon. It was also known that Syria had increased its alert out of fear in Damascus that Israel might attack.

Defense officials told the Post last week that they were receiving indications from the US that America would be interested in seeing Israel attack Syria.

Jerusalem Post

The bit in bold is interesting.

Big suprise!
America wants to get rid of countries like iran and syria cuz apparently they are on the wrong side in the 'war on terror'

Whats happening in Lebannon is awful and nobody in Lebannon can do anything and nobody is helpnig.

If this keeps on going there won't be a single muslim country.

It is now obvious who the real tyrants are. For one building being knocked down in America 2 or 3 whole countries will be wiped out.

Talk about an eye for an eye :roll:

Yeah your right, but what really annoys me is that they always cover it up by giving a really pathetic reason- and people believe it

i know

ConfoHi,

I urge you, give up with him he is bound by his loyalty to his religion to ignore the facts.

the zionists have nothing to do with the jewish religion just ask the Torah Jews.

zionists really have no sympathy for jews never mind anybody else - just read up on their history and dealings to date.

they are motivated purely by self interest and greed and power

I agree the jews are the people of the book and we should respect them as its in the Quran and Sunnah to respect them.

I have also heard it is permissable to eat their Kosher meat.

zaraYeah your right, but what really annoys me is that they always cover it up by giving a really pathetic reason- and people believe it

people you are talking about are not so dumb what they are is too scared to let go of their easy lives they choose to believe because it serves their purpose

eventually the truth is unavoidable and then they plain ignore it

those who cant ignore it find it very difficult to live with.

at least thats what i think if i really believed that people could not see the truth i'd go mad

Islamic BrotherI agree the jews are the people of the book and we should respect them as its in the Quran and Sunnah to respect them.

I have also heard it is permissable to eat their Kosher meat.

i thought so too a while back but found out recently that as Jews do not pronounce the name of God (they do not speak the name of God only say the one whose name cannot be spoken) then kosher meat is not permissable for us.

I have been following this very closely. If Israel continuous these awful crimes against the people of Lebanon then Muslims around the world are compelled to unite and wipe out Israel out of the map like the Iranian president put into words. There is no hope for peace in the Middle East while the Tel Aviv regime is in power. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister) already told us long time ago “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sing an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us.” He knows his people better. Israel is still foolish enough to recognize that its in the den of the wolves. It won’t be very long till the Arab Muslim nations flip on Israel and it will happen soon very soon.

Man I lov dis guy check out what he did

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez recalls his ambassador from Israel, calling the attacks on Lebanon "genocide" (It was time that he figured out that Isreal got its traits from da Nazis)

Sources: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5243758.stm

I trust hugo more than Hosni Mubarak and King Abdullah of Jordan.

zaraHow cum the lebanese army isn't doing anything?

If you watched Newsnight (on BBC 2) yesterday the Lebanese Prime Minister was there. He said the Lebanese army is no match compared to the Israeli army, who are being supplied the latest weaponary by the west.

Defense officials told the Post last week that they were receiving indications from the US that America would be interested in seeing Israel attack Syria.

The US has a list of countries which it labels as the 'axis of evil', and Syria is one of the countries on that list. That statement doesn't really suprise me, the US will be more than happy if Israel does it's dirty work for them.

What makes me sad is that none of the Muslim countries are doing anything. Saudi Arabia being the world's largest oil exporter and a country in the middle east should do more and I am saddened that they can watch their Muslim Sisters and Brothers being bombed.

Muslim Bro
The US has a list of countries which it labels as the 'axis of evil', and Syria is one of the countries on that list. That statement doesn't really suprise me, the US will be more than happy if Israel does it's dirty work for them.

that will never happen....u have people in Lebanon who are getting bombed by da Israeli's and they still support Hezbollah...first Hezbollah has to be eliminated then Syria dat is how da list goes plus if Syria is drawn into conflict Iran is automaticly in bcuz they already now Iraq is off da list.... wat is left on da region..one by one they gettin butchered...as long as Hezbollah, Syria and Iran sticks together then its good...what will more nice is da Iraqi shias make a bond with Iran, Syria n Hezbollah...dat will be sweet

I want hezbollah to kick Isreal's Butt, but I think they need support from Iran and Syria and other Arab countries, they probably won't be able to do it by themselves.

Didn't isreal attack lebanon before, thats what my dad was saying?

ahmed_7

Muslim Bro
The US has a list of countries which it labels as the 'axis of evil', and Syria is one of the countries on that list. That statement doesn't really suprise me, the US will be more than happy if Israel does it's dirty work for them.

that will never happen....u have people in Lebanon who are getting bombed by da Israeli's and they still support Hezbollah...first Hezbollah has to be eliminated then Syria dat is how da list goes plus if Syria is drawn into conflict Iran is automaticly in bcuz they already now Iraq is off da list.... wat is left on da region..one by one they gettin butchered...as long as Hezbollah, Syria and Iran sticks together then its good...what will more nice is da Iraqi shias make a bond with Iran, Syria n Hezbollah...dat will be sweet

If Syria or Iran launched an offensive against Israel we would probably look for a diplomatic solution, failing that attempt a coalition, failing that we would put forces on the ground in Israel and Lebanon and settle this unilaterally. If Iran or Syria understood that as an act of war, we're looking at major escalation.

Israel and Palestine appear to be the new Cold War, it's just this time the players aren't cool headed, don't appear to be all that rational, and don't give a damn about the global implications of their conflict.

Blood on his hands

Blair knew the attack on Lebanon was coming but he didn't try to stop it, because he didn't want to. He has made this country an accomplice, destroying what remained of our influence abroad while putting us all at greater risk of attack. By John Kampfner

No British leader since Winston Churchill has dealt in war with such alacrity as the present one. Back then, it was in the cause of saving the nation from Nazism. Now, it is in the cause of putting into practice the foreign policy of the simpleton. During his nine years in power, Blair - and in this government it is he, and he alone - has managed to ensure that the UK has become both reviled and stripped of influence across vast stretches of the world. In so doing, he has increased the danger of terrorism to Britain itself.

Israel's assault on Lebanon is, in many respects, as disastrous as the war in Iraq. But at least then the pre-war hubris and deceit were played out in parliament and at the UN. This latest act of folly took place suddenly, with only the barest of attempts to justify it to global public opinion. And it stems from the core Middle East problem: the decades-old conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians.

I am told that the Israelis informed George W Bush in advance of their plans to "destroy" Hezbollah by bombing villages in southern Lebanon. The Americans duly informed the British. So Blair knew. This exposes as a fraud the debate of the past week about calling for a ceasefire. Indeed, one of the reasons why negotiations failed in Rome was British obduracy. This has been a case not of turning a blind eye and failing to halt the onslaught, but of providing active support.

Blair, like Bush, had no intention of urging the Israelis to slow down their bombardment, believing somehow that this struggle was winnable. Israel has a right to self-defence, but it could have responded to the seizure of its soldiers, and to the rocket attacks, by the diplomatic route. That would have ensured greater sympathy. Now, growing numbers in Israel itself realise that military action will bring no long-term solution.

Even if the guns fall silent for a while, the damage has been done. This is the score sheet so far: roughly 800 deaths; shocking images of the slaughter of children in Qana; no clear Israeli military advance. And the transformation of Hezbollah from an organisation on the periphery of Lebanese politics into an object of admiration across the Arab world. But it is even worse than that. Is the assumption that civilians are legitimate targets if they do not flee certain areas any different from the principles that underlay the US war in Vietnam? Blair and Bush have given their blessing to the forced displacement of a large population, in violation of the guiding principles of the UN Commission on Human Rights.

Lebanon will now provide a rich source of inspiration to radical Islamists in their distorted quest for martyrdom. Senior Whitehall sources involved in the fight against terrorism are gravely concerned about the consequences of the Prime Minister's failure to condemn Israel's actions. The intelligence services say it is too early to tell whether Lebanon has already contributed to radicalisation in the UK; they work from the assumption that it will, like Iraq and Afghan istan. This is not in any way to justify or suggest equivalence, but it is surely the duty of a leader to produce a risk assessment of his actions. If Blair is prepared to put Britain in greater danger, he has to persuade its citizens that he is doing so for good reason.

Blair, at his rhetorical best in front of friends in California, appears in no mood for self-doubt. "I have many opponents on the subject," he told Rupert Murdoch's elite gathering at Pebble Beach on 30 July. "But I have complete inner confidence in the analysis of the struggle we face." Either he is delusional, or he has no choice but to say what he says. One close aide recalls that when the Prime Minister was preparing a foreign-policy speech in his Sedgefield constituency in 2004, a year after the invasion of Iraq, he considered a mea culpa of sorts, but changed his mind, asking his team: "Do we want headlines of 'Blair: I was wrong' or 'Blair: I was right'?"

Whatever he may think alone at night, the Prime Minister is locked in a spiral of self-justification for his actions in Iraq, his broader Middle East policy and his unstinting support of Bush. His speech in Los Angeles on 1 August was spun as a rethink. If so, it is too little, too late. Historians reflecting on the Blair-Bush "war on terror" that followed the attacks of 11 September 2001 would be right to see it as a joint venture. Ultimately, his US policy is his foreign policy. It has, by his own admission, underpinned his every action.

But one part of the jigsaw that Blair claimed to be vital was never put in place. The "road map", drawn up in 2002 by the quartet of the US, EU, United Nations and Russia, has remained the best hope for peace between Israelis and Palestinians, yet it was never implemented, because Bush didn't really believe in it. If Blair felt so passionately about it, and if his public silence did win him the influence inside the White House that he claims to have, he could and should have stood up and been counted on that issue, if on no other. Instead, he meekly accepted American inaction. The horrific events of the past three weeks can be traced in large part to that failure. Blair's exhortations to his American audience at least to consider the Palestinian issue were lamentable.

Before taking office in 1997, Blair travelled light on foreign policy. Saddam Hussein's chemical gassing of 5,000 Kurds at Halabja in 1988 passed him by: unlike dozens of other MPs, he didn't bother to sign a motion condemning it. Once in power, and frustrated at the pace of reform in domestic politics, Blair seized upon the theory of "humanitarian interventionism" that grew out of anger over inaction, first in Bosnia and then Rwanda. His decision to back military action in Kosovo reflected that thinking, and led to tension with Bill Clinton over America's reluctance to commit ground forces.

Banalities of "good and evil"

Having spent a month in Rwanda in 1994, seeing attacks take place, I need no persuading that inaction can be as hideous as action. Sometimes it is right to fight, but - as Blair should know from his Chicago speech of 1999, in which he set out the principles of humanitarian intervention - the outcome is what matters. When I began work on my book Blair's Wars, I tried to give the Prime Minister the benefit of the doubt, until I realised, on speaking to many people who worked closely with him, how simplistic and impressionable he was.

Now, as Blair hides behind banalities about "good and evil" and the familiar, crude definitions of "terrorism", his ministers look on helplessly. They talk openly to journalists - in the "you can print it, but just don't name me" deal that is the coward's life at Westminster - of Blair's "Bush problem". Shortly before MPs left for their summer break, one senior member of the cabinet accosted me in the corridors of the Commons, and asked: "How much further up their arses do you think we can go?" I suggested that this was more up to him than to me.

At least over Iraq someone resigned. This time, ministers do nothing. Their private complaints have no moral or political value, because they will not stop Blair. Under cabinet rules of collective responsibility, they are endorsing the Israeli assault.

Blair's survival in power is no longer a game of cat-and-mouse with Gordon Brown; it is no longer a question of Labour's ability to stave off the Conservatives. It is far more serious than that.

New Statesman

zaraDidn't isreal attack lebanon before, thats what my dad was saying?

Yes, Israel did attack Lebanon before.

Missiles neutralizing Israeli tanks By BENJAMIN HARVEY,Associated Press Writer

Hezbollah's sophisticated anti-tank missiles are perhaps the guerrilla group's deadliest weapon in Lebanon fighting, with their ability to pierce Israel's most advanced tanks.

Experts say this is further evidence that Israel is facing a well-equipped army in this war, not a ragtag militia.

Hezbollah has fired Russian-made Metis-M anti-tank missiles and owns European-made Milan missiles, the army confirmed on Friday.

In the last two days alone, these missiles have killed seven soldiers and damaged three Israeli-made Merkava tanks — mountains of steel that are vaunted as symbols of Israel's military might, the army said. Israeli media say most of the 44 soldiers killed in four weeks of fighting were hit by anti-tank missiles.

"They (Hezbollah guerrillas) have some of the most advanced anti-tank missiles in the world," said Yossi Kuperwasser, a senior military intelligence officer who retired earlier this summer.

"This is not a militia, it's an infantry brigade with all the support units," Kuperwasser said.

Israel contends that Hezbollah gets almost all of its weaponry from Syria and by extension Iran, including its anti-tank missiles.

That's why cutting off the supply chain is essential — and why fighting Hezbollah after it has spent six years building up its arsenal is proving so painful to Israel, officials say.

Israel's Merkava tanks boast massive amounts of armor and lumber and resemble fortresses on tracks. They are built for crew survival, according to Globalsecurity.org, a Washington-based military think tank.

Hezbollah celebrates when it destroys one.

"A Zionist armored force tried to advance toward the village of Chihine. The holy warriors confronted it and destroyed two Merkava tanks," the group proclaimed on television Thursday.

The Israeli army confirmed two attacks on Merkava tanks that day — one that killed three soldiers and the other killing one. The three soldiers who were killed on Friday were also killed by anti-tank missiles, the army said.

It would not say whether the missiles disabled the tanks.

"To the best of my understanding, they (Hezbollah) are as well-equipped as any standing unit in the Syrian or Iranian armies," said Eran Lerman, a retired army colonel and now director of the Israel/Middle East office of the American Jewish Committee. "This is not a rat-pack guerrilla, this is an organized militia."

Besides the anti-tank missiles, Hezbollah is also known to have a powerful rocket-propelled grenade known as the RPG29. These weapons are also smuggled through Syria, an Israeli security official said, and were previously used by Palestinian militants in Gaza to damage tanks.

On Friday, Jane's Defense Weekly, a defense industry magazine, reported that Hezbollah asked Iran for "a constant supply of weapons" to support its operations against Israel.

The report cited Western diplomatic sources as saying that Iranian authorities promised Hezbollah a steady supply of weapons "for the next stage of the confrontation."

Top Israeli intelligence officials say they have seen Iranian Revolutionary Guard soldiers on the ground with Hezbollah troops. They say that permission to fire Hezbollah's longer-range missiles, such as those could reach Tel Aviv, would likely require Iranian go-ahead.

Sources:Yahoo!News!

Dont these fools know that Hezbollah is the third largest army in the Middle East and that is according to CNN

ahmed_7Dont these fools know that Hezbollah is the third largest army in the Middle East and that is according to CNN

Well its the job of CNN to big up the opposition. as a justification of the slaughter.

Hezbollah has between 2,000 and 15,000 fighters. Probably at the lower end.

and these days you can have 10,000,000 fighters, and still lose if you do not have superior air support...

Admin

ahmed_7Dont these fools know that Hezbollah is the third largest army in the Middle East and that is according to CNN

Well its the job of CNN to big up the opposition. as a justification of the slaughter.

Hezbollah has between 2,000 and 15,000 fighters. Probably at the lower end.

and these days you can have 10,000,000 fighters, and still lose if you do not have superior air support...

Israeli troops praise Hezbollah tactics

Israeli soldiers returning from the front in Lebanon say that Hezbollah has given them more of a fight than they expected.

They said they were battling an intelligent, well-prepared and ruthless guerrilla army whose fighters didn't seem to fear death.

"It's hard to beat them," one soldier said. "They're not afraid of anything."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4E913629-D294-4639-B36E-CCAFA282D82A.htm

I wish hezbollah's rockets could be a bit more accurate.
i mean, they fire hundreds into isreal, but only a few actually hit people- what's the point in wasting rockets?

Shaykh Hamza Yusuf on the Lebanon/Israel crisis

A MUST watch.....Alhamdulillah such wisdom and honesty spoken here, and tackles the issue so well......for me, this is the answer to the crisis and the problems, and settles all arguements.

for everyone interested in the israel/lebanon war, in particular 100man and dave, i request you to watch it, everyone.

and the ending is so true 🙁

SirusShaykh Hamza Yusuf on the Lebanon/Israel crisis

A MUST watch.....Alhamdulillah such wisdom and honesty spoken here, and tackles the issue so well......for me, this is the answer to the crisis and the problems, and settles all arguements.

for everyone interested in the israel/lebanon war, in particular 100man and dave, i request you to watch it, everyone.

and the ending is so true :(

defntly agree with u there, its a must watch,unfortunately the ending is so true, all they seem to care about is power and money.

Salaams brother ahmed

How can you make us believe it is an equal fight. Israel have had the help of America and they have all the hi-tech weapons so if a superpower is involved there is nothing anybody can do.

Lebannon don't have a single chance unless the other arab countries help which i extremely doubt :roll:

zaraI wish hezbollah's rockets could be a bit more accurate.
i mean, they fire hundreds into isreal, but only a few actually hit people- what's the point in wasting rockets?

If Hezbollah didn't fire rockets into Israel, what else can they do?...They can't just fight the Israeli soldiers with their AK47's!

Islamic BrotherLebannon don't have a single chance unless the other arab countries help which i extremely doubt :roll:

Saudi Arabia have given Lebanon $500million to rebuild their infastructure but Israel is still bombing the country.

I expected the arab countries to be on Lebanon's side but all Egypt & Saudi Arabia is doing is just asking Hamas & Hezbollah to release the Israeli soldiers (I suspect American influence in this.)

If Hezbollah didn't fire rockets into Israel, what else can they do?...They can't just fight the Israeli soldiers with their AK47's!

yeah, but half of their rockets don't even kill anyone or damage anything, if they use up all of their rockets, then what?

Its more a show of resistance than anything else. They have shown they can do something. Israel thought it would watz in, but that has not happened. Where the Lebanese army positions are being bombed without reply, Hizbullah are fighting. They are showing up an army that was previously thought by Arabs to be undefeatable. They are stopping that superior army from carrying out its military objectives. According to an interview with the President of Lebanon, if you just look at the military aims, the rag tag forces of Hizbullah hava actually defeated the highly organised Israeli Army.

The rockets strike fear into the opponents. Show that Hizbullah are still there. Still in operation. Afterall if they were not still firing rockets, everyone wopuld think they have been destroyed. And it was one of the military objectives of the ITF to destroy the capabaility oif Hizbullah to fire rockets into Israel.

I would estimate their missile firing capacity has been reduced by atleast 30% though.

I am not believing propaganda, but it was estimated that they had around 10,000 rockets (which could itself be propaganda...). Its now estimated they have fired around 3,000.

What I severely dislike about this conflict is that its all about targetting civillians. Both sides are at it.

Geoge Galloway on SkyNews 🙂

This video interview is well worth watching if you haven't already. It came on sky news today. Go to www.sky.com/news then choose videos and it should be there. Otherwise follow the following link:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-galloway_060806,…

Hey Admin, you know you said they both target civilians, well, that's what hapens in every war, and also, Hezbollah are hard to find cuz they have underground tunnels. And I don't think Isreal really cares about the lebaonese civilians, so i don't blame hezbollah for targeting isreali civilians- better than nothing.

AdminWhat I severely dislike about this conflict is that its all about targetting civillians. Both sides are at it.

Hezbollah's rocket's are inaccurate so it's more of a guess, it might hit civilians or it might not.

But Israel has the latest weaponary and their missiles are dead on their target so if a missile/bomb kills civilians, you can be sure that it was intentional.