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A 23-year-old man has been shot by police during a house raid involving 250 officers carried out early on Friday under the Terrorism Act.

The man, who was later arrested, was taken to a nearby hospital after the search in Forest Gate, east London. His injuries are not life-threatening.A 20-year-old man is also being held at a central London police station.A single shot was fired, according to the Independent Police Complaints Commission which will investigate. The operation was not linked to the London bombings of July 2005, police have said.

The 23-year-old man was arrested in an east London hospital on suspicion of the commission, preparation and instigation of acts of terrorism.Police officers in protective clothing have moved into the terraced house in Lansdown Road in what is being described as a "precautionary measure".A white and yellow tent has been set up outside the property.Several people in the house at the time of the raid have been moved to other premises. They have not been arrested.

Lansdown Road, and neighbouring Rothsay Road and Prestbury Road, are all closed.A 14-year-old boy Nimesh Patel, who saw the raid, said police broke in through a window, and then opened the front door.He said the person shot appeared to have a shoulder injury.Another witness said he had seen a man wearing a bloodstained T-shirt being carried out of the house after the raid.In a statement Scotland Yard said there was no evidence of risk to the public in the area."If we believe there is a potential risk, appropriate action will be taken and advice issued," it said.

Surveillance

BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said the raids follow an investigation into international terrorism targeting the UK.Security sources have described the Forest Gate raid as "potentially significant" and said it followed months of surveillance.The raid followed discussions between MI5, the Met's anti-terrorist branch and the Health Protection Agency - which advised on the potential health risks of the raid.

The IPCC, in a statement, said it would use its own investigators to "examine the circumstances surrounding the discharge of a police firearm". Deborah Glass, IPCC commissioner, said: "The incident was referred to the IPCC immediately and investigators were deployed to the scene."An examination of the officers' firearms confirms that a single shot was discharged in circumstances that are currently under investigation."The Civil Aviation Authority says an air exclusion zone has been set up over east London and will be in place for four days.Aircraft are banned from flying over the site below 2,500ft.

Mixed community

Residents said Forest Gate was a typical east London "mixed" community with a large number of Bengali and Pakistani families, along with a recent influx of Eastern Europeans.

One neighbour said the operation early this morning had involved "the most police I've seen in my life".Another neighbour said a family lived at the address."They were respectable and nice people and we do not know anything else. They have always been nice to us," she said."They have lived there for a long time. The kids all go to school locally."Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott was briefed on the shooting this morning, his spokesman said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5040022.stm

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#2

MuslimBro Fri, 2 Jun 2006 - 23:40

Apparently it was some bengali guy....is that true?

And why would you need 250 officers to raid a small flat....I didn't think they could fit all of them in together lol.

#3

You Sat, 3 Jun 2006 - 00:02

Muslim BroAnd why would you need 250 officers to raid a small flat....I didn't think they could fit all of them in together lol.

well they wouldn't know if they did not try.

Apparently even the airspace was cleared before the raid.

Lets see what happens with all this.

#5

MuslimBro Mon, 5 Jun 2006 - 00:30

*DUST*they're saying one brother shot the other. this is ridiculous.

I was just about to say that. If the police had the gun then how comes one bro shot the other and with 250 police officers involved in the raid there is bound to be atleast a dozen witnesses....I don't know why it's taking them so long to find out what really happened.

#6

You Mon, 5 Jun 2006 - 00:34

I think the reason they are not giving info out at all atm is less about putting their foot in it this time, and more about putting their foot in it the last time.

On 22 July there were plenty of media briefings. They turned out to be lies.

Maybe they do not want to say anything until an investigation is completed.

The suggestion of one brother shooting the other is sunday paper speculation which has not been confirmed nor denied by the Police.

All they say is that a firearm was discharged, and they are investigating.

This could be very bad, or thye may be right. Remember July 7 is not too far away, and they will be on full alert to see if there are any 'copycat' attacks.

#7

yashmaki Mon, 5 Jun 2006 - 13:40

This is being discussed on the radio at the moment, i'm sick of the frenzy and "speculations". No concrete statement has been made by the police yet, but despite this the media has managed to apparently obtain the facts. They're all very careful to add "alleged," to all their so called findings, but on face value they present their info as "facts".

Funny how a reporter from the daily mirror likes to think he's a CSI investigator from a bit of leaked info. I'd rather wait until the report becomes public. This culture of gossip and speculation is a tool the media likes to use to sell their products. Then they so very conveniently like to play the moral police for the public claiming; "we are representing the public, they have a right to know". Yeah we have a right to know the facts, not hypothical scenarios that do nothing but instill fear in ppl, who are already living in fear.

#8

RuBz Tue, 6 Jun 2006 - 12:16

Muslim BroApparently it was some bengali guy....is that true?

And why would you need 250 officers to raid a small flat....I didn't think they could fit all of them in together lol.

Yea its a bengali guy,

he aint that type whoz into terrorism,

his just a heavy time dealer.......

well known..

#10

RuBz Tue, 6 Jun 2006 - 12:34

The Great 100Rubz,

I didn't read anywhere that he's a dealer, has that come from someone reliable?

Yea,

Its from his own boyz,

like i sed his known

#11

The Great 100 Tue, 6 Jun 2006 - 12:39

It will be interesting to see if the authorities can demonstrate he is linked to terrorism. If it turns out there's no connection then clearly something is very wrong with the way Scotland Yard is handling intelligence, or maybe a saboteur is at large leaking misinformation. If the links are clear obviously I can have no problem with how they've handled it, but if the result suggests they're incompetent, they need to be working more closely with intelligence and police in other countries to establish what does and doesn't work. Thanks for the bit of privileged info.

#12

RuBz Tue, 6 Jun 2006 - 12:44

The Great 100It will be interesting to see if the authorities can demonstrate he is linked to terrorism. If it turns out there's no connection then clearly something is very wrong with the way Scotland Yard is handling intelligence, or maybe a saboteur is at large leaking misinformation. If the links are clear obviously I can have no problem with how they've handled it, but if the result suggests they're incompetent, they need to be working more closely with intelligence and police in other countries to establish what does and doesn't work. Thanks for the bit of privileged info.

Trust that guy aint A terrorist,
he aint got ne motives
and his more intereted in other thingz,
so basically Scotland Yard will be shown up once again

#13

Sirus Wed, 7 Jun 2006 - 15:33

the whole fiasco is a joke, they're gona go in his kitchen...mix some vinegar with mirch and say its a chemical weapon and have him sent to guantanamo in an orange suit

seriously, the whole thing is blown out of proportion and is a joke....the views of the neighbours and surround people says it all.

jus to get people scared and thinking about it all over again, a la bush in farenhiet....get the people scared

heres a letter by a man i totally do not like, and im only posting this coz i got it via email from someone....

Anjum Choudry
SUNDAY EXPRESS AID POLICE IN DEMONISING MUSLIMS

Allegations in the Sunday express today that the two brothers arrested on Friday, Mohammed Abdul Kahar and Abul Koyair, were part of Al-Ghurabaa are completely unfounded and fabricated. It is not untypical of the Western media to cook up such lies in an attempt to demonise or criminalize Muslims. Indeed, we challenge the Sunday express to reveal the evidence they have for these vindictive allegations.

Instead of trying to justify the brutality of the police last Friday perhaps the media would be better advised to investigate what evidence (if any) the police had to raid the Muslim house in the first place, what excuse they had to shoot an innocent young man and why they are now creating media propaganda against the family by suggesting, for example, that there was resistance towards the 250 police officers who took part in the raid.

The arbitrary arrest and detention of Muslims in Britain today is sadly a common phenomenon. There is little doubt left in the minds of the majority of Muslims that we are a community under siege. On the domestic front the British regime have brought in a range of draconian laws targeted specifically at Muslims and which facilitate the kind of oppressive tactics we saw employed on Friday.

On the International front the Blair regime continues to occupy Muslim land, is guilty of the murder of innocent Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan and is also an active participant in torture expeditions with the USA under the guise of ‘extraordinary rendition’.

With Bill Rammel, the governments Higher Education Minister, arrogantly stating that Muslims need to be taught British Values and his boss Tony Blair denying any link between the events of 7/7 and his fascist policies in Iraq, it is no surprise that the vilification of and attacks against Muslims continues to increase.

We await the official report into the real reasons why 7/7 occurred from the Islamic Research Forum, due to be released in July 2006.

Mr Anjem Choudary

Media Spokesman of Al-Ghurabaa

Press Release Dated 4th June 2006

#14

You Fri, 9 Jun 2006 - 21:51

Two held in terror raid released

Two men arrested after a raid on a house in east London have been released without charge, Scotland Yard said.

Police questioned two brothers, one of whom was shot during the raid, on suspicion of terrorism involvement.

Mohammed Abdul Kahar, 23, and Abul Koyair, 20, both denied the allegations. They were held after a major raid in Forest Gate last Friday.

Police were said to be searching for chemical materials, but nothing has been found. The search is now complete.

The men, who had been held under the Terrorism Act 2000, were released shortly before 2030BST on Friday.

Anti-terror police raided the house at Forest Gate last week after saying they received "specific intelligence" that a chemical device might be found there.

As the men were released, a police spokesman said that officers had completed their search of the raided property in Lansdown Road.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "We appreciate the police operation has caused inconvenience and disruption to the occupants of the house.

"We will be contacting the owners to make appropriate arrangements for the property to be handed back to them. "We will also be undertaking appropriate restoration work in consultation with the owners."

The statement added that intelligence received by police "continues to be developed" and that the Met Police "will continue to exhaust all lines of inquiry".

Station protest

Inayat Bunglawala, from the Muslim Council of Britain, said the raid looked to have been a "terrible mistake".

"Today's decision to release the two brothers without charge confirms their innocence," he told the BBC.

He said the raid had created quite a bit of unease in the Muslim community - particularly amongst the younger generation.

"We do hope that the appropriate lessons will be learned by all involved in this tragic incident... the release of these two brothers may go some way to undoing the damage caused," he said.

Earlier on Friday, around 100 people gathered outside Forest Gate police station to protest about last week's raid. They chanted slogans and waved plaques condemning the police and government.

Protest organisers claimed the raid was symptomatic of oppression of the Islamic community.

One of them, Anjem Choudary, said: "When you start to violate the sanctity of Muslims and their homes, and handle their mothers and fathers then there is going to be some kind of backlash."

Earlier, Humeya Kalam, the sister of the two brothers, criticised the police action.

In a statement, issued by Ms Kalam on behalf of her family, she said: "On the morning of Friday 2 June 2006, my family were awakened by what can only be described as barbaric and horrific actions taken against an innocent family."

She also thanked "each and everyone in the community for their tremendous support".

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Hmmm...

#15

yashmaki Tue, 13 Jun 2006 - 18:18

Assalamu Alaikum,

I was cooking and listening to the radio. They made a live statement today the first since their release. The guy who got shot, his account got me teary eyed the trauma he was suffering was still very raw, he kinder broke down in the press conference. Anyone else hear or watch it, any comments?

The most ridiculous charge was something like this: at one point one of the brothers was asked if he was with the kkk, simply because he had a music CD of an artist who supports the kkk. The brother replied,i didn't know whether to laugh or cry first i'm accused of being a member of jamia Islamia/Al Qaeda, then i'm being accused of being with a white supremacist terrorism organisation (he's asian btw) :roll:

#16

Dave Tue, 13 Jun 2006 - 18:52

...do the KKK even operate in Britain?

I'm surprised brits would even know about them - they're a southern racist terrorist organization; but really more of a localized fraternal order rather than a global organization.

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The Great 100 Tue, 13 Jun 2006 - 19:02

yashmakiAssalamu Alaikum,

I was cooking and listening to the radio. They made a live statement today the first since their release. The guy who got shot, his account got me teary eyed the trauma he was suffering was still very raw, he kinder broke down in the press conference. Anyone else hear or watch it, any comments?

The most ridiculous charge was something like this: at one point one of the brothers was asked if he was with the kkk, simply because he had a music CD of an artist who supports the kkk. The brother replied,i didn't know whether to laugh or cry first i'm accused of being a member of jamia Islamia/Al Qaeda, then i'm being accused of being with a white supremacist terrorism organisation (he's asian btw) :roll:

With 99.999999% certainty, nobody seriously asked if he was a member of the KKK. Quite possibly it was a sarcastic remark levelled at him. It does look like this operation was a botch job although if RuBz is correct we can't have heard the last of it and I don't have sympathy with him. I would share the concern of others that they may be a target but I think it's bull and there's obviously a story behind the intelligence police were given about this particular guy, which we may yet hear about.

Don Karnage,

Of course we've heard of the KKK. Those of us that didn't learn about them in history classes - because they are a key player in the issue of the abolition of slavery and because a lot significant happened in America between the wars - learnt about them through some TV show or another. If the KKK were in Britain you wouldn't have heard of them but that's because (being polite) Americans have other stuff on their minds. Having said that America has given quite a generous ear to us Brits of late. It is one very good thing Blair has done, raising the UK's global prestige. And we are culturally very close to America and impressed with it, generally.

#18

*DUST* Tue, 13 Jun 2006 - 20:44

RuBz

The Great 100Rubz,

I didn't read anywhere that he's a dealer, has that come from someone reliable?

Yea,

Its from his own boyz,

like i sed his known

The Great 100although if RuBz is correct we can't have heard the last of it and I don't have sympathy with him.

:? i'm sorry rubz, but i think it's disgusting you would spread such things about the brothers (you didn't even specify which one you were referring to). i saw them on the BBC's live coverage of the press conference, and they certainly do not look like drug dealers. yes looks can be deceiving but i'm not going to accept such statements about them which were passed on by gossip. if the claim was true wouldn't the police have found some trace of drugs in the house which they turned upside down in their search for a chemical weapon. :roll:
and 100, even if it was true, how many drug dealers have you heard of whose punishment was to be shot in the chest and kept in police custody without charge?

#19

You Tue, 13 Jun 2006 - 21:05

Thing is I did get a similar impression of one of their pasts on the news by someone from their street.

The guy said something like 'He had recently given up his old life of hanging around, and had become religious', which I took as meaning something similar.

Totally diferent crimes... and if he has really given up then all the better.

#20

MuslimSister Tue, 13 Jun 2006 - 22:46

I too felt for them after listening to their press statement on BBC news today.

The Met Police apology sounds so lame...that family was treated ruthlessly.

Policemen acting in such a inhumane manner is not something I used to associate with the police from this country.

One would of thought they would have learned from their mistake after unfairly shooting the brazilian guy.

#21

yashmaki Tue, 13 Jun 2006 - 22:49

100 how do you know with "certainty" that these guys are making up the story about the kkk allegation. No one knows anything for certainty yet not even the police complaints commission yet you seem to have inside information.

Also you say you have no sympathy, i take it you've already decided "he's guilty", even though the police are clearly still unsure and are continuing their investigations elsewhere

I felt sorry for the guy based on his account, whether it's true or not i don't know. However i'm not prepared to make judgements about whether he's guilty or not, i'd rather await the verdict, too many malicious reports were spread in previous cases and turned out to be completely false.

Your comments kinder anger me, how you seem to assume these guys are guilty without a doubt, irrespective of the fact the case is still open.

p.s Dave i remember seeing quite a few documentaries on the KKK. One in particular stands out in my memory. It followed a reporter Louis Theroux who amongst skin heads and Nazi followers, interviewed Tom Metzer, you heard of him?, he's one sick individual.

#22

*DUST* Tue, 13 Jun 2006 - 22:58

AdminThing is I did get a similar impression of one of their pasts on the news by someone from their street.

The guy said something like 'He had recently given up his old life of hanging around, and had become religious', which I took as meaning something similar.

Totally diferent crimes... and if he has really given up then all the better.

IF he (who are we talking bout here, the one who was shot right?) did do it, and has stopped, its even more reason to not spread such stuff - as discussed in the 'liar' thread.

#23

*DUST* Tue, 13 Jun 2006 - 23:05

yash, i think you've misconstrued some of the points 100 made (though i must say it's sometimes easy to do that with the way he phrases things). 😉 i'm sure he'll clarify his stance, but until then:

yashmaki100 how do you know with "certainty" that these guys are making up the story about the kkk allegation. No one knows anything for certainty yet not even the police complaints commission yet you seem to have inside information.

i think he meant he's certain the police were not serious when asking the guy about kkk, that it was more likely to have been a sarcastic question.

yashmakiAlso you say you have no sympathy, i take it you've already decided "he's guilty", even though the police are clearly still unsure and are continuing their investigations elsewhere

and here i think he said IF rubz is right about the guy being a drug dealer then he (100) has no sympathy for him.

#24

The Great 100 Wed, 14 Jun 2006 - 01:36

*DUST*100, even if it was true, how many drug dealers have you heard of whose punishment was to be shot in the chest and kept in police custody without charge?

Great point, thank you.

yashmaki,

What Dust wrote is a correct interpretation of my post, and I apologise for making you angry.

Dust, thanks again.

Muslim SisterPolicemen acting in such a inhumane manner is not something I used to associate with the police from this country.

One time I was attending a fairly high security event where I expected to know one or two people on the door, so on the approach I was looking around in a way that might have seemed potentially suspect. I didn't know anyone on the door. At the door my person and belongings were checked which is pretty standard, and I don't know what it was but someone keeping an eye on me, who meant well but made an honest mistake, yelled that I had a knife. Before I knew it I was quite violently pinned to the ground. I was convincingly harmless, probably shouting my name and clarifying that I did not have a knife, and in fact I think somebody recognised me, so it was fine.

I can imagine a situation in which I might subsequently wish to challenge that, but everyone was doing their jobs and I took reassurance from the guy's vigilance. It is not possible to be rigorous with security and simultaneously to guarantee mistakes won't be made, and split second decisions have to be made depending on the threat level. I have had some security training and if I thought I was up against an immediate threat I would not stop to ask questions.

This is not per se an excuse for police recklessness, but I will be interested to understand more about the intelligence behind the raid before I condemn anyone, and while I'm sure there is adequate understanding that the police must be held accountable, there may not be adequate understanding of the need for effective security. If the police had a tip-off about a pending threat from a source that seemed credible, they were obliged to act on it within whatever time they had. Noone would forgive the opposite error.

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