Kashmir Past and Present

Dave —

Med's mentioned Kashmir many times - I believe if i'm not mistaken you said you are Kashmiri, or you have relatives there.

I am not familiar with Kashmir past or present so i'll just post the wikipedia article and yall can add and refute anything you don't agree with.

Also post news from Kashmir here - i'm interested in the region and know virtually nothing about it.

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[size=24][b]Kashmir[/b][/size]
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Kashmir is a region between the northern part of South Asia and the southern part of Central Asia. The term Kashmir historically described the valley just to the south of the westernmost end of the Himalayan mountain range. Politically, however, the term 'Kashmir' describes a much larger area which includes the regions of Kashmir, Jammu and Ladakh.

The main "Valley of Kashmir" is relatively low and very fertile, while magnificent breathtaking mountains, fed by streams flowing from adjoining valleys, are found on the rest of the Kashmiri landscape. It is renowned as one of the most spectacularly beautiful places in the world.

Srinagar, the ancient capital, lies alongside Dal Lake and is famous for its canals and houseboats. Srinagar (alt. 1,600 m. or 5,200 ft.) acted as a favoured summer capital for many foreign conquerors who found the heat of the north Indian plains in summer oppressive. Just outside the city are the beautiful Shalimar,Nishat and Chashmashahi gardens created by Mughal emperors.

The region is currently divided amongst three countries: Pakistan controls the northwest portion (Northern Areas and Azad Kashmir), India controls the central and southern portion Jammu and Kashmir, the Siachen Glacier is controlled by both India and Pakistan, and the People's Republic of China controls the northeastern portion (Aksai Chin and the Trans-Karakoram Tract). Though these regions are in practice administered by their respective claimants, India has never formally recognized the accession of the areas claimed by Pakistan and China. India claims that these areas, including the area ceded to China by Pakistan in 1963 (the Trans-Karakoram Tract) are a part of its territory, while Pakistan claims the region excluding Aksai Chin and Trans-Karakoram Tract. Both countries view the entire Kashmir region as disputed territory, and do not consider each other's claim to be valid. An option favoured by many Kashmiris is independence, but both India and Pakistan oppose this for various reasons. Because of this Kashmir is considered one of the world's most well-known territorial disputes, and most Western made maps use a dotted-line to indicate the territory's uncertain boundaries. United Nations general assembly unanimously voted in 1948 for a plebescite in Kashmir to settle the issue. All parties agreed to it but India later on backed out claiming that kashmiri people have taken part in elections and therefore plebesite is no more required. Kashmiri people and Pakistan challenge this claim and several wars have broken out after India's back out.

The rest of this article will, for the sake of clarity, refer to the parts of Kashmir administered by India, Pakistan and China as "Indian Kashmir", "Pakistani Kashmir", and "Chinese Kashmir" respectively. By this nomenclature, the word "Kashmir" in "Indian Kashmir" is used in a general sense to refer to what India calls "Jammu and Kashmir".

[i]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir[/i]

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Forum

Dave — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 - 14:53

[quote="*DUST*"][quote="Don Karnage"]Is there a time that Kashmiris can point back to that hindus and muslims actually got along[/quote]
...in Kashmir itself, or generally across India?[/quote]

I was asking him Kashmir specifically since it sounds like they have always had a princely state unto themselves.

However i'm also curious about India on the whole.

Medarris — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 - 14:55

I think generally, throughout history there have been periods of co-operation and periods of hostility. Even today in parts of india muslims and hindu get along ok.

Eventually kashmir will be liberated inshaALLAH, justice will be established for all. AND everyone is gonna have cake.

Dave — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 - 14:58

[quote="Med"]I think generally, throughout history there have been periods of co-operation and periods of hostility. Even today in parts of india muslims and hindu get along ok.

Eventually kashmir will be liberated inshaALLAH, justice will be established for all. AND everyone is gonna have cake.[/quote]

It kinda sounds like this is a repeat of what we saw in the balkans.

Any chance at cake in the near future?

You — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 - 15:03

Recently a train carrying hindu pilgrims to a disputed location near kashmir burnt down killing alot of people.

This lead to the deaths of about 2000 muslims in retaliation.

later it was found out that some numpty had decided to cook on the train... and the fire had gotten out of control.

There is hope now that th BJP are no longer in power, but it is slim.

Dave — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 - 15:05

[quote="Admin"]Recently a train carrying hindu pilgrims to a disputed location near kashmir burnt down killing alot of people.

This lead to the deaths of about 2000 muslims in retaliation.

later it was found out that some numpty had decided to cook on the train... and the fire had gotten out of control.[/quote]

That's completely insane...

*DUST* — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 - 15:12

[quote="Don Karnage"][quote="Admin"]Recently a train carrying hindu pilgrims to a disputed location near kashmir burnt down killing alot of people.

This lead to the deaths of about 2000 muslims in retaliation.

later it was found out that some numpty had decided to cook on the train... and the fire had gotten out of control.[/quote]

That's completely insane...[/quote]
yeh... what happened in Gujarat was horrific... 😢

Medarris — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 - 15:15

The Idolworshippers are savages. They rape and pillage and loot at will. And thats just the "trained" army.

First time I read the book Army of Madinah in Kashmir I was shocked.

You wanna talk about human rights abuses go and ask the filthy pagans of india. They know it better than they know their families.

*DUST* — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 - 15:22

[quote="Med"]The Idolworshippers are savages. They rape and pillage and loot at will. And thats just the "trained" army.

First time I read the book Army of Madinah in Kashmir I was shocked.

You wanna talk about human rights abuses go and ask the filthy pagans of india. They know it better than they know their families.[/quote]
there's no need to stereotype Med... :roll:

Many Hindus disagree with BJP ideology and tactics... in fact some were also killed in the Gujarat violence for protecting their Muslim neighbours.

Medarris — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 - 15:24

Obviously i am referring to the hardcore idolworshippers.

Even I am aware that some hindus are good.

*DUST* — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 - 15:29

[quote="Med"]Obviously i am referring to the hardcore idolworshippers.

Even I am aware that some hindus are good.[/quote]
so the good ones are 'not-so-hardcore idolworshippers'? :|

You — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 - 15:30

[quote="Med"]Obviously i am referring to the hardcore idolworshippers.

Even I am aware that some hindus are good.[/quote]

So always make the distinction in your posts.

And it may actually be the hardcore idol worshippers who tried to protect muslims, and the seculars who went on a rampage...

*DUST* — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 - 15:33

[quote="Admin"][quote="Med"]Obviously i am referring to the hardcore idolworshippers.

Even I am aware that some hindus are good.[/quote]

So always make the distinction in your posts.

And it may actually be the hardcore idol worshippers who tried to protect muslims, and the seculars who went on a rampage...[/quote]
exactly.

wot do u mean 'some hindus are good' - its the majority that are good and 'some' who are murderers, rapists, etc.

Adil — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 - 23:20

Just found an ok article about the DeM group. People always wonder how a muslim woman should be. Alhamdulillah the role models from Islamic history are fantastic but today who can be taken as role models?

Which muslim women are at once strong on their religion and actively involved in muslim life? Well, some might argue that if a woman feels the urge to emerge from the home and get involved in extra-curricular activity then the DeM outift may be a good role model.

Social reform, active participation in local politics, assistance in the freedom struggle, da'wat and tableegh - all are activities undertaken by DeM.

[url=http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/archives/archives2004/kashmir20040724b.htm… veiling campaign.[/url]