Molvis with pitch black beards and white hair....

globalmessage.co.nr —

nice article on the stupidity of some old people...

http://mybeliefs.co.uk/2010/11/07/just-for-men/


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You — Sun, 7 Nov 2010 - 15:25

Male grooming is considered very important in Islam.


I don't see anything in that blog that is from Islam, but from your own mind. If you had provided hadith evidence that colouring their bears is wrong, that would be one thing, but you didn't. You chose the argument of them chasing their youth - which they are entitled to do since youth was a gift from God.


Sajid Iqbal — Mon, 8 Nov 2010 - 14:05

dyeing your beard black is actually not allowed especially for hanafi's except if one is going for jihad.


following answers from islamqa.com:


Dyeing it with something reddish or yellowish is Sunnah, but dyeing it black is haraam according to the sound opinion, and it was also said that it is makrooh. This ban applies to both men and women, except for the man who is engaged in jihaad (mujaahid). Al-Maawirdi said: “It is not haraam in his case.” In Saheeh Muslim it is reported from Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) that when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw that the beard of Abu Quhaafah, who was the father of Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him), was so white, he said, “Change this, but avoid black.”


(The above is the words of Imaam al-Nawawi).


Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that he saw the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) dyeing his beard with a yellowish colour. According to another report, he added, “And I would like to do this.”


Imaam Ahmad and Ibn Maajah reported that Wahb said: “We entered upon Umm Salamah (may Allaah be pleased with her) and she brought out some of the hair of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to show us. It was dyed with henna and katam.”


Katam is a plant that is mixed with henna, and it is used to dye the hair and preserve the colour, as is stated in al-Qaamoos. When katam is used alone, not mixed with anything, it produces a reddish-black colour.


also:


Ruling on dyeing the hair and beard black

Is it permitted to dye the beard black?


It is not permitted for a man to die his beard black because of the reports which command us to avoid that and forbid us to do it. Abu Dawood reported from Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah who said: “Abu Quhaafah was brought on the day of the Conquest of Makkah, and his head and beard were like thughaamah (a plant whose leaves and flowers are intensely white) because they were so white. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Change this white hair, but avoid black.’” (Reported by Muslim, al-Nisaa’i and Ibn Maajah). Ahmad, Abu Dawood and al-Nisaa’i reported from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘There will be a people at the end of time who will dye their hair black like the crops of pigeons; they will not even smell the fragrance of Paradise.’” But it is encouraged to change grey or white hair by dyeing it any other colour except black, because of the hadeeth of Jaabir quoted above.


It is permitted to dye the hair with henna or any other substance that will give it a reddish or yellowish colour, because it is reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to dye his hair with yellow. Muslim reported that Abu Bakr dyed his hair with henna and katam and that ‘Umar used to dye his hair with henna. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also said, “The best things with which you can change this grey hair are henna and katam.”


Reported by Imaam Ahmad, Abu Dawood, al-Nisaa’i, al-Tirmidhi, and classed as saheeh. Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 5/166-167


the reason why dying beard black id not allowed in hanafi fiqh is that it can deceive people about the age of the person. dying beard black makes you young so if u are 50 plus and u dye your beard and u look 3oish and convince parents of a young bride- its called deception. All hanafi rulings give this reason as why dyeing beard black is not permissible.


i know many 'scholars' who do this and are hanafi; its called picking and choosing from deen!


You — Mon, 8 Nov 2010 - 20:35

[quote=TheRevivalEditor]i know many 'scholars' who do this and are hanafi; its called picking and choosing from deen![/quote]


Either that or they have a differnet understanding of the ahadith.


MuslimBro — Mon, 8 Nov 2010 - 22:14

[quote=TheRevivalEditor]dyeing your beard black is actually not allowed especially for hanafi's except if one is going for jihad.


following answers from islamqa.com:[/quote]

You first mention about the Ahnaaf, and then you give a link to islamqa...


1R4M — Tue, 9 Nov 2010 - 18:54

the reason why dying beard black id not allowed in hanafi fiqh is that it can deceive people about the age of the person. dying beard black makes you young so if u are 50 plus and u dye your beard and u look 3oish and convince parents of a young bride- its called deception. All hanafi rulings give this reason as why dyeing beard black is not permissible.


i know many 'scholars' who do this and are hanafi; its called picking and choosing from deen


hmmmm


but

ppl arent THAT stupid!

if a guys beard is black

n his hairs white

hes DEF dyeing his beard!

and why wud u do that!

doesnt it just look....not attractive???


Also

those are all hadith quotes

does it say it in the Qur'an


whats wrong with dyeing it black as opposed to red?

why ehnna

but

not black??

whats the EXACT reasoning for this


TPOS — Tue, 9 Nov 2010 - 19:06

[quote=1R4M]

the reason why dying beard black id not allowed in hanafi fiqh is that it can deceive people about the age of the person. dying beard black makes you young so if u are 50 plus and u dye your beard and u look 3oish and convince parents of a young bride- its called deception. All hanafi rulings give this reason as why dyeing beard black is not permissible.

i know


many 'scholars' who do this and are hanafi; its called picking and choosing from deen


hmmmm


but

ppl arent THAT stupid!

if a guys beard is black

n his hairs white

hes DEF dyeing his beard!

and why wud u do that!

doesnt it just look....not attractive???


Also

those are all hadith quotes

does it say it in the Qur'an


whats wrong with dyeing it black as opposed to red?

why ehnna

but

not black??

whats the EXACT reasoning for this[/quote]


you can die the hair too...


You — Tue, 9 Nov 2010 - 19:07

[quote=1R4M]whats wrong with dyeing it black as opposed to red?

why ehnna

but

not black??

whats the EXACT reasoning for this[/quote]


Grooming Vs Deception.


The first is encouraged, sunnah. The latter is generally not liked.


YourName (not verified) — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 - 00:39

Well, there was a time when grey or white hair on a person was seen as a sign of great respect and dignity. When some has white or grey hair automatically a sense of respect fills ones heart. They say Allah (swt) feels shy to punish someone who has grown old in islam. Meaning who has white hair on him.

I see the sentiments of the brother, and what he is trying to say. As more days go by people seem to be more

Preoccupied with how they look rather than preparing for thier

Departure seen white/ grey hair is a sign of ones time to departure.


You — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 - 00:47

A double decker bus will not care if you have grey hair or not when mowing you down.


So it is still a non issue.


Something to take your eye off other things. Like doing something good yourself instead of picking faults with others.