Islamic group plans Wootton march

Ya'qub

tom

you guys really are pushing your luck

If you're going to group me with them (or any other ''Muslim' extremists') then how would you feel about me grouping you with any beer-swilling, skin-headed hooligan who smashes up cafe furniture nearby to any football ground at which England are playing during the World Cup or European Championship? Or any priest charged of pedophilia?

You might say that you don't care what I think of you. And I don't blame you! But I'm training to be a primary teacher, and what if I were to think of or treat all the families of any white kids in my classes like that???

jacob - or jimmy bell? i thought that you were a white scot muslim? according to you.

just obey the law and stop viewing people as stereotypes

But I try my best not to treat anyone differently from each other. Muslims believe that all human life is equal in value to God. \except for dhimmis and polytheists Something that is not expressed in what is known as the 'Old Testament' to Christians. what has the old testament to do with this. at least the christians are against slavery

Like it or lump it, the Muslim population of Britain is growing faster than almost any other religion. well, we ned peopl eto clear the snow. perhaps w should enslave you? Christianity is decades and decades into a slump. (I'm not gloating (oh? or saying that "this is how it is written" and I'm certainly not in favour of a 'Muslim' conspiracy to take over the World. I'm just stating the facts.) Did you remember to subtract deportations?

superstition is history at lesat christianity promotes decent values and you can leave without being stoned to death will you kill all those of us who refuse to switch to islam ?
personally i think polytheism is growing quite fast - more appropriate for a pluralistic democracy

I try my utmost not to label or stereotype people based on their skin colour, culture, beliefs, creed or favourite football team. I urge you to start doing the same, and encouraging your friends and family to follow you in this, for the sake of Britain's future society.

In return I promise to do the same with my friends and family (Muslim or not), as well as trying to promote tolerance and understanding with any children I may teach in the future.

Who knows, I might be teaching one of your children someday. :)

they were privately educated thankfully

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An Islamic group said to have links to an extremist movement is planning to march through the Wiltshire town of Wootton Bassett.

The town has become famous for honouring British war dead returning from Afghanistan.

Islam4UK pledged the protest would be peaceful with symbolic coffins representing Muslim victims.

Wootton's former mayor Chris Wannell has called on the group's leader not to hold the march.

North Wiltshire MP James Gray said: "I've seen in the past assorted groups threaten to march, but they don't actually do it.

"I wouldn't think they'd get permission from the police."

Islam4UK is said to call itself a "platform" for the extremist movement al-Muhajiroun.

Since fox-hunting is banned, i would have thought that the huntsmen and hounds would enjoy a visit from al Muhajiroun Tally Ho!!

On its website the group said it was "totally unacceptable" to honour servicemen who had contributed "directly or indirectly" to the deaths of "well over 100,000 Muslims in Afghanistan in the last 8 years".

Totally unacceptable to a rabble like that is music to our ears upsetting them should be compulsory

islam4uk's response

Tread Softlyislam4uk's response

Seems to be a common sense response.

And so it ends. For now.

"A radical Islamic group has cancelled plans to hold an anti-war march through a town famous for honouring the UK's servicemen and women killed abroad.

Members of Islam4UK had planned to march through Wootton Bassett, Wiltshire, to honour Muslims killed in the Afghanistan conflict."

And yet, all they have done is expose a large swathe of the British public to the misguided views of the BNP and increased the UK's general distrust of Muslims.

We all have the right to be offensive

Islam4UK's desire to demonstrate in Wootton Basset may be despicable but it should not be banned

Apparently, my history teacher was wrong and Voltaire never actually said: "I despise what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."...

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So why, when the small bunch of extremists, bigots and opportunists that is Islam4UK announced that they wanted to stage a demonstration in Wootton Bassett, did the home secretary say he would support attempts to ban it? They're a horrible organisation – an offshoot of the al-Muhajiroun movement that is opposed to the British state and arranged, on the first anniversary of 9/11, a conference entitled "A Towering Day in History" (although a pun is always welcome). I can understand completely why Alan Johnson despises what they say, and I agree, but I'm not certain that outlawing their demonstration qualifies as defending to the death their right to say it.

Read more @ Guardian CIF

You

We all have the right to be offensive

Islam4UK's desire to demonstrate in Wootton Basset may be despicable but it should not be banned

Apparently, my history teacher was wrong and Voltaire never actually said: "I despise what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."... he who lives by thw sword shall die by it. since when have you lot been in favour of free speech? if you deny it to others why should you expect it?

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I'm not certain that outlawing their demonstration qualifies as defending to the death their right to say it.

wartime regulations i suppose meanwhile, enjoy your jihad - when does it finish when all the europeans are dead?

Read more @ Guardian CIF

You

We all have the right to be offensive

A lot of muslims have been exercising that right for years that is why everyone loves you

You may not have noticed, but David mitchel - the author of that piece - is I suspect not-a-muslim.

He also makes a very good point about showing how "I despise what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." is a lie.

I don't see why you are so offended by a bunch of morons expressing their views.

I do think there are extreme elements in the Muslim community, but I also think as long as they are talking and feeling a productive part of the process, that is all they will be doing. They will not be disenfranchised enough to listen to any call to arms and keeping them talking keeps all of us safer.

i won't waste my time speaking to Tom, as he clearly detests muslims. No amount of respectful banter will encourage him to think anything more or less.

Topic at hand, i think the march is totally disrespectful. There's a time and place for everything. If they want to demonstrate they should do so elsewhere. They should not demonstrate at a time when locals are honoring their dead soldiers.

There have been countless demonstrations against war in iraq, afghanistan palestine, personally i think demos achieve nothing, even if it is for a good cause. All that yelling and screaming and the iraq war still went ahead. yes i know i'll be heckled for this, but i can't see the point of it, if there is no end result.

i don't know who this group are i have never heard of them, nor care to, i don't like their approach its utterly distasteful.

[quote=Hajjar]i won't waste my time speaking to Tom, as he clearly detests muslims. No amount of respectful banter will encourage him to think anything more or less.

Perhaps you could get your chums to stop plotting to blow us up for a few weeks? that would help but after the last few atrocities and attempted atrocities what would you expect flowers? we don't get all this disrespect from the hindus.

One does not defend plotters, especially plotters against oneself, with one's life or in any way at all, is the point. To exactly what extent this protest represents that is moot (although the group most certainly does). It's a question of degrees that Mitchell waffles around for an entire article, not very helpfully, believing he and the British public are their real audience and thus mistakenly playing down the impact. Choudary's argument is not common sense, it is insane saying we support the enemy but don't worry, and OBM seems happy with the end result.

tom, you're really showing yourself to be an ill-educated saddo lacking any semblance of critical thought.

Muslims are as diverse as Christians in their culture and level of fundamentalism: this is clearly a forum for moderates, so you slagging them off with playground drivel is like you ranting at the gentle Quakers for the Pope's stance on abortion and contraception causing mass suffering in Africa.

I agree that there are very real problems with Islam and the West but in my time lurking around these forums I have seen no evidence that your barely-understandable infantile tirades against these chaps are justified.

...and the postscript.

Islam4uk now banned under anti-terrorism laws.

Tread Softly...and the postscript.

Islam4uk now banned under anti-terrorism laws.

Kind of stupid if you ask me - getting banned for planning a peaceful demo.

You

Tread Softly...and the postscript.

Islam4uk now banned under anti-terrorism laws.

Kind of stupid if you ask me - getting banned for planning a peaceful demo.

Nobody did

wait until the wartime regulations kick in. meanwhile enjoy your jihad now that al qaeda has said that it will kill all europeans in the arabian peninsula it is clear that the fundis are simply a bunch of racists

Seems like you know more about al qaeda that I do. Hiding something?

You are like twins, mirror images of each other, hating the very fabric of your own being.

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YouSeems like you know more about al qaeda that I do. Hiding something?

You are like twins, mirror images of each other, hating the very fabric of your own being.

they made a public statement about 12 days ago that all europeans in the Arabian peninsula were targets it seems that you do not pay much attention to what's going on in the muslim world. "i hate the very fabric of my own being?" yet more teenage nonsense can we agree that their statement was racist?

tom

YouSeems like you know more about al qaeda that I do. Hiding something?

You are like twins, mirror images of each other, hating the very fabric of your own being.

they made a public statement about 12 days ago that all europeans in the Arabian peninsula were targets it seems that you do not pay much attention to what's going on in the muslim world.

I don't see why I have to pay attention - Al qaeda does not represent me, nor have a direct channel of communications with me.

tomcan we agree that their statement was racist?

yes - I didn't think that was even in debate.

(I was reading somewhere that since 2006, 98% of the victims of alqaeda have been "not-western" people, byt which I will assume they mean people in arab lands or other places where the majority are Muslims. They have probably killed more muslims in recent history than their so called enemies "of the west".)

You

Tread Softly...and the postscript.

Islam4uk now banned under anti-terrorism laws.

Kind of stupid if you ask me - getting banned for planning a peaceful demo.

Nothing good is ever gonna come out of Al Muhajiroon. I'm glad the gov is on their case. Anjem and co will probably run out of steam (ie hot air) once they find it difficult to meet up and goad each other to ever-increasing hights of lunacy.

Clearly, the Muslim community's policy of ignoring Al Muhajiroon didn't work. Only the gov has the power to do anything meaning with groups like this.

I suspect the gov found it necessary to act once it realised that Al Muhajiroon was spawning its very own white working class equivalent (Casuals, EDL, etc). EDL protests/rallies has been far more violent and dangerous than anything Al Muhajiroon could come up with. It had the potential to morph into a genuinely fascist movement - once it had dealt with Muslims, the Jews would have been next. The gov wasn't gonna ban the EDL etc because that would only have earned the gov ever-lasting hatred from the white working class. Banning Al Muhajiroon was the only sensible option - it had been done before, the law allowed for it, and, lets face it, no-one's gonna miss 'em (except maybe the Sun and the Star (and the Daily Mail and Daily Express)).

tom

Hajjari won't waste my time speaking to Tom, as he clearly detests muslims. No amount of respectful banter will encourage him to think anything more or less.

Perhaps you could get your chums to stop plotting to blow us up for a few weeks? that would help but after the last few atrocities and attempted atrocities what would you expect flowers? we don't get all this disrespect from the hindus.

why are they my chums just because i am muslim and they are too? Quit judging ppl. Quit spewing out your hatred, you are sounding like those same fools you seem to despise so much, you're just the other side of the coin. As for flowers no i don't expect them from anyone except my husband. What do hindus have to do with this talk? You have the audacity to speak of respect where is your sense of respect? You have grouped all muslims as holding the same views as this al muhajirun group. You assume all muslims agree wit 9/11 and wish to destroy all non muslims. you need mental help. For how long have you been replying back n' forth on this topic you are obsessed and suffering from extreme paranoia, seek help.

i mean if you don't give a tuppence for us, why are you spending so much time here. And don't even attempt to insult me again, i did nothing to insult you, other than being born that is.

p.s YOU i heard in news today the group were banned. when government was asked why they had banned this group and not HT they said because they did not want members of HT to go underground. by this i assume its ok for al muhajiroon to go underground, because really they are no threat they never were, just a lot of hot air and embarrassment to government. But HT could be a real threat, so lets not ban them?

HT is larger and has more members. I am sure there are plenty of people who want them banned too - universities generally have a low tolerance approach to them.

Lets hope that the people who with islam4uk decide to continue on a path of peaceful demonstrations and discussions and stuff.

It may not always work, but sometimes it does.