Too lost to be saved...

Seraphim β€”

Was just wondering. At what point, if any, is someone too lost to be saved from hell fire?

You must really be the worst of the worst right?

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Seraphim β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:48

[quote=Noor][quote=Seraphim][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah]
'A series of Unfortunate events'? Nah!! πŸ˜‰
[/quote]

It happens, trust me. Its when a load of crap happens at the same time, and people turn and blame God for it. And say things like how could God allow such a thing etc etc they get mad and as a way of striking back they give up on their faith.[/quote]

πŸ™ [/quote]

Aawwww, noor did that upset you?

there there little one.

it'll be okay.

all the none believers will eventually burn in hell

πŸ˜ƒ

Young Anonymou… β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:47

[quote=wednesday][quote=Seraphim][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah]
'A series of Unfortunate events'? Nah!! πŸ˜‰
[/quote]

It happens, trust me. Its when a load of crap happens at the same time, and people turn and blame God for it. And say things like how could God allow such a thing etc etc they get mad and as a way of striking back they give up on their faith.

The fear of loss is a path to the darkside.[/quote]

the concept of accpeting the occurance of BAD alongside GOOD

tears always follow from laughter... or good days always follow on from the bad days (how ever you want to phrase it... you can put smile before a sad face or a sad face before a smile, samething but the order is different which shouldn't matter because it's a cycle!)... it's just how HUMANS work... that's their niche [/quote]

basically, 'after hardship comes ease' ALWAYS. even if ease comes in the form of death.

Noor β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:48

[quote=wednesday][quote=Noor][quote=wednesday]Noor, But that doesn't mean we can blame the shaiytan for making us disbelieve on the day of judgement![/quote]

definitely not but he can place doubts.[/quote]

and we are to 'fight' it i believe?[/quote]

insha'Allah πŸ˜ƒ

Noor β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:49

[quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah][quote=wednesday][quote=Seraphim][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah]
'A series of Unfortunate events'? Nah!! πŸ˜‰
[/quote]

It happens, trust me. Its when a load of crap happens at the same time, and people turn and blame God for it. And say things like how could God allow such a thing etc etc they get mad and as a way of striking back they give up on their faith.

The fear of loss is a path to the darkside.[/quote]

the concept of accpeting the occurance of BAD alongside GOOD

tears always follow from laughter... or good days always follow on from the bad days (how ever you want to phrase it... you can put smile before a sad face or a sad face before a smile, samething but the order is different which shouldn't matter because it's a cycle!)... it's just how HUMANS work... that's their niche [/quote]

basically, 'after hardship comes ease' ALWAYS. even if ease comes in the form of death.[/quote]

i wish for death a lot. sometimes it seems the only way out.

Noor β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:50

[quote=Seraphim][quote=Noor][quote=Seraphim][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah]
'A series of Unfortunate events'? Nah!! πŸ˜‰
[/quote]

It happens, trust me. Its when a load of crap happens at the same time, and people turn and blame God for it. And say things like how could God allow such a thing etc etc they get mad and as a way of striking back they give up on their faith.[/quote]

πŸ™ [/quote]

Aawwww, noor did that upset you?

there there little one.

it'll be okay.

all the none believers will eventually burn in hell

:D[/quote]

:roll:

Young Anonymou… β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:51

[quote=wednesday][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah][quote=Seraphim][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah]
'A series of Unfortunate events'? Nah!! πŸ˜‰
[/quote]

It happens, trust me. Its when a load of crap happens at the same time, and people turn and blame God for it. And say things like how could God allow such a thing etc etc they get mad and as a way of striking back they give up on their faith.

The fear of loss is a path to the darkside.[/quote]

Soz, i meant the books.
twas a joke. :oops: [/quote]

lol, you like em too? I LOVED readin em! and the movie, Sunny being the best character :D[/quote]

Nah, i read them all, but i kinda felt there was a deeper meaning there that i wasn't reachin, either that or it was just the style of writin. movie was o.k if you didn't read all the books.( i have that thing with book movies!) :?

Seraphim β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:51

[quote=Noor][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah][quote=wednesday][quote=Seraphim][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah]
'A series of Unfortunate events'? Nah!! πŸ˜‰
[/quote]

It happens, trust me. Its when a load of crap happens at the same time, and people turn and blame God for it. And say things like how could God allow such a thing etc etc they get mad and as a way of striking back they give up on their faith.

The fear of loss is a path to the darkside.[/quote]

the concept of accpeting the occurance of BAD alongside GOOD

tears always follow from laughter... or good days always follow on from the bad days (how ever you want to phrase it... you can put smile before a sad face or a sad face before a smile, samething but the order is different which shouldn't matter because it's a cycle!)... it's just how HUMANS work... that's their niche [/quote]

basically, 'after hardship comes ease' ALWAYS. even if ease comes in the form of death.[/quote]

i wish for death a lot. sometimes it seems the only way out.
[/quote]

hmmm, do not be in a hurry to reach the end of the tale.
You'll miss all the good bits.

Pain is a natural part of life. If you were without then there would be cause to worry, as God only tests those he loves.

Funzo β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:52

[quote=Seraphim][quote=Funzo]And somebody(wednesday) said there was no good discussion going on lol.[/quote]

lol, why do you think i started this topic?

[/quote]
and thats why your jedi.

Seraphim β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:52

[quote=wednesday][quote=Noor][quote=Seraphim][quote=Noor][quote=Seraphim][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah]
'A series of Unfortunate events'? Nah!! πŸ˜‰
[/quote]

It happens, trust me. Its when a load of crap happens at the same time, and people turn and blame God for it. And say things like how could God allow such a thing etc etc they get mad and as a way of striking back they give up on their faith.[/quote]

πŸ™ [/quote]

Aawwww, noor did that upset you?

there there little one.

it'll be okay.

all the none believers will eventually burn in hell

:D[/quote]

:roll: [/quote]

I bet he's light headed... Seraph you're lacking soberity![/quote]

maybe... but i suspect it will be so until deaths embrace.

Funzo β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:53

[quote=Noor][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah][quote=wednesday][quote=Seraphim][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah]
'A series of Unfortunate events'? Nah!! πŸ˜‰
[/quote]

It happens, trust me. Its when a load of crap happens at the same time, and people turn and blame God for it. And say things like how could God allow such a thing etc etc they get mad and as a way of striking back they give up on their faith.

The fear of loss is a path to the darkside.[/quote]

the concept of accpeting the occurance of BAD alongside GOOD

tears always follow from laughter... or good days always follow on from the bad days (how ever you want to phrase it... you can put smile before a sad face or a sad face before a smile, samething but the order is different which shouldn't matter because it's a cycle!)... it's just how HUMANS work... that's their niche [/quote]
i heard a hadith about that cant remember now.
basically, 'after hardship comes ease' ALWAYS. even if ease comes in the form of death.[/quote]

i wish for death a lot. sometimes it seems the only way out.
[/quote]

Funzo β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:57

[quote=Noor][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah][quote=wednesday][quote=Seraphim][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah]
'A series of Unfortunate events'? Nah!! πŸ˜‰
[/quote]

It happens, trust me. Its when a load of crap happens at the same time, and people turn and blame God for it. And say things like how could God allow such a thing etc etc they get mad and as a way of striking back they give up on their faith.

The fear of loss is a path to the darkside.[/quote]

the concept of accpeting the occurance of BAD alongside GOOD

tears always follow from laughter... or good days always follow on from the bad days (how ever you want to phrase it... you can put smile before a sad face or a sad face before a smile, samething but the order is different which shouldn't matter because it's a cycle!)... it's just how HUMANS work... that's their niche [/quote]
i heard a hadith about that cant remember now.
basically, 'after hardship comes ease' ALWAYS. even if ease comes in the form of death.[/quote]

i wish for death a lot. sometimes it seems the only way out.
[/quote]
I remember hearing a hadith about this.

Seraphim β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:57

[quote=wednesday][quote=Noor][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah][quote=wednesday][quote=Seraphim][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah]
'A series of Unfortunate events'? Nah!! πŸ˜‰
[/quote]

It happens, trust me. Its when a load of crap happens at the same time, and people turn and blame God for it. And say things like how could God allow such a thing etc etc they get mad and as a way of striking back they give up on their faith.

The fear of loss is a path to the darkside.[/quote]

the concept of accpeting the occurance of BAD alongside GOOD

tears always follow from laughter... or good days always follow on from the bad days (how ever you want to phrase it... you can put smile before a sad face or a sad face before a smile, samething but the order is different which shouldn't matter because it's a cycle!)... it's just how HUMANS work... that's their niche [/quote]

basically, 'after hardship comes ease' ALWAYS. even if ease comes in the form of death.[/quote]

i wish for death a lot. sometimes it seems the only way out.
[/quote]

There was a time when I wished that I were never born, and really I were in a bad mood cos I couldn't understand why we didn't have the choice to being born... but then would we be a 'craetion' if we had freewill outside birth and after death?[/quote]

Freewill begins at birth.
Live life to the full and dont be in a hurry for that last breathe.
Bcoz one way or another its gonna come anyway.

Just enjoy the ride until then.

Seraphim β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:58

[quote=Funzo]
I remember hearing a hadith about this.[/quote]

share with the group.

its not nice to just say that and not share

Noor β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:58

[quote=Funzo][quote=Noor][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah][quote=wednesday][quote=Seraphim][quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah]
'A series of Unfortunate events'? Nah!! πŸ˜‰
[/quote]

It happens, trust me. Its when a load of crap happens at the same time, and people turn and blame God for it. And say things like how could God allow such a thing etc etc they get mad and as a way of striking back they give up on their faith.

The fear of loss is a path to the darkside.[/quote]

the concept of accpeting the occurance of BAD alongside GOOD

tears always follow from laughter... or good days always follow on from the bad days (how ever you want to phrase it... you can put smile before a sad face or a sad face before a smile, samething but the order is different which shouldn't matter because it's a cycle!)... it's just how HUMANS work... that's their niche [/quote]
i heard a hadith about that cant remember now.
basically, 'after hardship comes ease' ALWAYS. even if ease comes in the form of death.[/quote]

i wish for death a lot. sometimes it seems the only way out.
[/quote]
I remember hearing a hadith about this.[/quote]

i no. astagfirullah

Noor β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 20:59

[quote=Seraphim][quote=Funzo]
I remember hearing a hadith about this.[/quote]

share with the group.

its not nice to just say that and not share[/quote]

we shouldn't ask for death but a long life instead.

Seraphim β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 21:00

[quote=Noor][quote=Seraphim][quote=Funzo]
I remember hearing a hadith about this.[/quote]

share with the group.

its not nice to just say that and not share[/quote]

we shouldn't ask for death but a long life instead. [/quote]

pppfftt

i could hav told you that

Funzo β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 21:03

Honestly i cant remember and i dont think i should give you a guess, i thought somebody else would know *ehem* noor *ehem*.

Seraphim β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 21:05

[quote=Funzo]Honestly i cant remember and i dont think i should give you a guess, i thought somebody else would know *ehem* noor *ehem*.[/quote]

She does... she just pointed it out above ^^
and it was pretty much what i had already said... and i didnt even knw about that hadith.
are we all caught up now?

Seraphim β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 21:11

What confuses me, is that alot of the time you think "fantastic, Allah (swt) has made sooo many ways and excuses to get us into heaven. That its gotta be a sure deal."
but then there are times when it appears that even the littlest of things can stop you from getting in.

Does that seem fair to you?

Funzo β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 21:12

[quote=Seraphim][quote=Funzo]Honestly i cant remember and i dont think i should give you a guess, i thought somebody else would know *ehem* noor *ehem*.[/quote]

She does... she just pointed it out above ^^
and it was pretty much what i had already said... and i didnt even knw about that hadith.
are we all caught up now?

[/quote]
no i was expecting quote plus commentary on it and it wasnt that hadith.

Noor β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 21:13

[quote=Seraphim]What confuses me, is that alot of the time you think "fantastic, Allah (swt) has made sooo many ways and excuses to get us into heaven. That its gotta be a sure deal."
but then there are times when it appears that even the littlest of things can stop you from getting in.

Does that seem fair to you?[/quote]

yes.

Noor β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 21:14

[quote=Funzo][quote=Seraphim][quote=Funzo]Honestly i cant remember and i dont think i should give you a guess, i thought somebody else would know *ehem* noor *ehem*.[/quote]

She does... she just pointed it out above ^^
and it was pretty much what i had already said... and i didnt even knw about that hadith.
are we all caught up now?

[/quote]
no i was expecting quote plus commentary on it and it wasnt that hadith.[/quote]

The Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) said, " None of you should wish for death because of a calamity befalling him; but if he has to wish for death, he should say: "O Allah! Keep me alive as long as life is better for me, and let me die if death is better for me.' "

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.575 Narrated by Anas bin Malik (r.a.)

Seraphim β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 21:15

[quote=Noor][quote=Seraphim]What confuses me, is that alot of the time you think "fantastic, Allah (swt) has made sooo many ways and excuses to get us into heaven. That its gotta be a sure deal."
but then there are times when it appears that even the littlest of things can stop you from getting in.

Does that seem fair to you?[/quote]

yes. [/quote]

Do you care to elaborate?

Funzo β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 21:18

[quote=Seraphim]What confuses me, is that alot of the time you think "fantastic, Allah (swt) has made sooo many ways and excuses to get us into heaven. That its gotta be a sure deal."
but then there are times when it appears that even the littlest of things can stop you from getting in.

Does that seem fair to you?[/quote]
the slightest thing can get you in to heaven and vice versa with hell

example of a story of two brothers one live upstairs was religious did his duties the other not religious didnt read namaz did all the bad things etc
one day the brother upstairs thought that my brother is having so much fun i wanna join him by sinning
the other brother thought what is this life getting me? and he realised that he was getting nothing so he wanted to go upstairs to his brother
one of them slipped while going down the stairs on to the one going up the stairs and they both died
the sinner went to heaven and the good one went to hell, it shows you just based on there intentions there fate was decided. I wouldnt say its unfair because if god wanted we wouldnt have a life we would be dead and we are given immortality if we follow a set of rules which arent that hard when realistically we do nothing to deserve it.

Funzo β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 21:21

[quote=Noor][quote=Funzo][quote=Seraphim][quote=Funzo]Honestly i cant remember and i dont think i should give you a guess, i thought somebody else would know *ehem* noor *ehem*.[/quote]

She does... she just pointed it out above ^^
and it was pretty much what i had already said... and i didnt even knw about that hadith.
are we all caught up now?

[/quote]
no i was expecting quote plus commentary on it and it wasnt that hadith.[/quote]

The Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) said, " None of you should wish for death because of a calamity befalling him; but if he has to wish for death, he should say: "O Allah! Keep me alive as long as life is better for me, and let me die if death is better for me.' "

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.575 Narrated by Anas bin Malik (r.a.)[/quote]
thats the noor i know πŸ™‚

Funzo β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 21:23

[quote=wednesday][quote=Noor][quote=Funzo][quote=Seraphim][quote=Funzo]Honestly i cant remember and i dont think i should give you a guess, i thought somebody else would know *ehem* noor *ehem*.[/quote]

She does... she just pointed it out above ^^
and it was pretty much what i had already said... and i didnt even knw about that hadith.
are we all caught up now?

[/quote]
no i was expecting quote plus commentary on it and it wasnt that hadith.[/quote]

The Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) said, " None of you should wish for death because of a calamity befalling him; but if he has to wish for death, he should say: "O Allah! Keep me alive as long as life is better for me, and let me die if death is better for me.' "

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.575 Narrated by Anas bin Malik (r.a.)[/quote]

O did everyone see the manner and politeness that a death is? That is a VERY clever link to Qadr, hence leaving it to Allah's will alone!
[/quote]
well the prophet ο·Ί did say it

Young Anonymou… β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 21:25

[quote=Seraphim]What confuses me, is that alot of the time you think "fantastic, Allah (swt) has made sooo many ways and excuses to get us into heaven. That its gotta be a sure deal."
but then there are times when it appears that even the littlest of things can stop you from getting in.

Does that seem fair to you?[/quote]

yes, its all about perspective, but sometimes its exactly that, that throws me. It feels like its contradictory...? :?

Funzo β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 21:29

[quote=wednesday][quote=Funzo][quote=wednesday][quote=Noor][quote=Funzo][quote=Seraphim][quote=Funzo]Honestly i cant remember and i dont think i should give you a guess, i thought somebody else would know *ehem* noor *ehem*.[/quote]

She does... she just pointed it out above ^^
and it was pretty much what i had already said... and i didnt even knw about that hadith.
are we all caught up now?

[/quote]
no i was expecting quote plus commentary on it and it wasnt that hadith.[/quote]

The Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) said, " None of you should wish for death because of a calamity befalling him; but if he has to wish for death, he should say: "O Allah! Keep me alive as long as life is better for me, and let me die if death is better for me.' "

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.575 Narrated by Anas bin Malik (r.a.)[/quote]

O did everyone see the manner and politeness that a death is? That is a VERY clever link to Qadr, hence leaving it to Allah's will alone!
[/quote]
well the prophet ο·Ί did say it[/quote]

hence clever![/quote]
exactly but you said it as if you were suprised.

Funzo β€” Tue, 21 Oct 2008 - 21:33

[quote=Young Anonymous Muslimah][quote=Seraphim]What confuses me, is that alot of the time you think "fantastic, Allah (swt) has made sooo many ways and excuses to get us into heaven. That its gotta be a sure deal."
but then there are times when it appears that even the littlest of things can stop you from getting in.

Does that seem fair to you?[/quote]

yes, its all about perspective, but sometimes its exactly that, that throws me. It feels like its contradictory...? :? [/quote]
it seems contradictory because we assume we deserve a chance of heaven and just the chance of us going to hell seems unfair when in reality its unfair were allowed to go to heaven.