Juma Mubarak!

Jummah Mubarak!

Keep me in your duas

Salam

Superb picture Jedi.

The Orion Nebula.

Only 1429 Light Years away. Today is year 1429.

May the Force be with you, always.

Omrow

I wasn't here on Friday, so Jummah Mubarak for last week and next week! And now, the funny picture:

epic fail.

Juma Mubarak 😃

Jummah Mubarak

Jummah Mubarak!

Jumma Mubarak

Right. Time to go. Lets do the bowing first...

Bye.

Juma Mubarak...

Remember to send extra Darood and Salaam on our beloved Prophet Sayyidina Muhammad (saw).

OmrowSalam

Superb picture Jedi.

The Orion Nebula.

Only 1429 Light Years away. Today is year 1429.

May the Force be with you, always.

Omrow

Woah, that means the light captured in the picture is the light from the time of the Hijra. How cool is that?

Jummu'ah Mubarak and Shabat Shalom. 🙂

Jummah Mubarak 😃

Joie de Vivre always remembers and makes the effort to say Jummah Mubarak so why cant some of us do the same in return and wish him a Shabbat Shalom?

I thought ignorance only existed outside of this forum. Looks like i was wrong.

Jummah Mubarak and Shabbat Shalom.

Oh I am so late no time for a pic just much love, Juma Mubarak, Shabbat Shalom and thank you VERY much Naz, I do notice although I guess everyone means well on this thread, and I wish you a fantastic weekend.

Its also fair to argue that as the only Jew I'm not up to much statistically, just to be thorough.

With the clocks going back Shabbat comes in ridiculously early, you have to set the afternoon aside. Sorry to be brisk.

Peace and love!

Juma Mubarak Everyone!!

Juma Mubarak!

J de VOh I am so late no time for a pic just much love, Juma Mubarak, Shabbat Shalom and thank you VERY much Naz, I do notice although I guess everyone means well on this thread, and I wish you a fantastic weekend.

Ive noticed it for quite sometime but didnt say anything. I was hoping that ppl would eventually realise what they were doing but no they didnt. Even after having it spelt out, some of them still dont get it :roll: really saddened by that fact. Oh well all you can do is try.

Ditto @ the weekend.

naz, did you ever think that it might not be permissible?

Or that we're lazy :doubt:

Noornaz, did you ever think that it might not be permissible?

WOuld be good to get an answer from a scholar, but gut feeling says maybe.

Think "Ashura" as an example for why it may be allowed, though I cannot say it with certainty.

So to keep it equal, I try to avoid saying Jummah Mubarak too... that is singling one member out. So the cheesy "happy days", enjoy your weekend and other such lame stuff is in for me.

Though that may also make the worst of people...

Noornaz, did you ever think that it might not be permissible?

Yes it did occur to me but then i thought hang on a minute how can being polite and showing kindness be regarded as a sin? There are many hadiths where the Prophet ﷺ shows kindness to the ppl of the book.

Naz

Noornaz, did you ever think that it might not be permissible?

Yes it did occur to me but then i thought hang on a minute how can being polite and showing kindness be regarded as a sin? There are many hadiths where the Prophet ﷺ shows kindness to the ppl of the book.

Actions are judged on their intentions and... I'm not really sure how that applies to this!

I hope everyone is enjoying their time here on earth, and building for the afterlife.

May we all be guided by God, and may he forgive us of our sins and overlook our mistakes. Ameen/Amen.

How's that for something to say to all people, regardless of their religion?

Ok done some quick research, here is what ive found.

When greeted by a Jewish/Christian person we are suppose to return the greeting which is either equivalent to what they have said or better. Here is the evidence.

"When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it or (at least) return it equally." (Holy Qur'an: An-Nisa': 86)

There are several hadiths which state the Jewish ppl use to say As-Samu 'alaikum (which translates to “death be on you”) to the Prophet, the Prophet in return would say Wa'alaikum (which translates to “and on you”).

Now if we apply the above to Joie de Vivre we can clearly distinguish that Joie de Vivre is not saying “death be upon you” but rather Jumma Mubarak. According to the Quranic verse above and the following hadiths:

Saheeh Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 104, Volume 7, Book 69, Number 539, Volume 7, Book 70, Number 553, Volume 8, Book 74, Number 253

we as Muslims are compelled to return the greeting in an equal or better manner.

However, Muslims are not allowed to initiate a greeting first.

Saheeh Muslim
Book 026, Number 5389:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.

Abu Dawud
Book 41, Number 5186:
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
Suhayl ibn AbuSalih said: I went out with my father to Syria. The people passed by the cloisters in which there were Christians and began to salute them. My father said: Do not give them salutation first, for AbuHurayrah reported the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: Do not salute them (Jews and Christians) first, and when you meet them on the road, force them to go to the narrowest part of it.

Ive not come across anything AS OF YET that states we are not allowed to greet a Jewish or Christian person in a form of greeting which means something to them but not us (ie saying Shabbat Shalom to a Jewish person). Now if Joie de Vivre says Jummah Mubarak (happy Friday) and I return it with Shabbat Sholam (sholam literally meaning peace) then my greeting is equivalent/better (depends which way you look at it) then his greeting therefore I am complying with verse 86 An-Nisa of the Quran.

If anyone knows anything different, wants to correct me on any of the above, or has any other views on this matter just holler and I'm listening. I know some of you probably don’t wanna say anything until you have consulted a scholar which is fine. I shall wait patiently for your scholars opinion on the above matter.

Ya'qub

Naz

Noornaz, did you ever think that it might not be permissible?

Yes it did occur to me but then i thought hang on a minute how can being polite and showing kindness be regarded as a sin? There are many hadiths where the Prophet ﷺ shows kindness to the ppl of the book.

Actions are judged on their intentions and... I'm not really sure how that applies to this!

I hope everyone is enjoying their time here on earth, and building for the afterlife.

May we all be guided by God, and may he forgive us of our sins and overlook our mistakes. Ameen/Amen.

How's that for something to say to all people, regardless of their religion?

eermmmm,.... I thought we werent allowed to pray for people of other religions?

unless im mistaken.

correct.

Noorcorrect.

Not correct.

We can pray for them to be guided by Allah (swt) to become Muslim. This is in fact very praiseworthy.

We can also pray for them to serve Islam in a way (by helping Muslims or something). This is also good, but not as good as the first reason to pray for them.

I asked my housemates about this.

If I say 'Assalamu alaikam', literally 'the-Peace (one of the names of Allah (swt)) be upon you', then, if my intention is that Allah guides them through His peace, then its absolutely acceptable.

By saying 'shabbat shalom', we mean 'have a peaceful sabbath'. This can fall in the category of the second reason to pray for him, in that we are praying that he doesn't start a fight with us on his sabbath (thus 'serving' Muslims)!

I said 'Assalamu alaikum' to someone at Umrah, and they replied 'wa alaikum' (Iplying that I wasn't a Muslim), and I caused a bug fuss and created a scene, saying 'wa alaikum?! WA ALAIKUM?!' until he said the full 'wa alaikum salam'. I was very proud of myself for a few moments, then realised I was being silly.

Yes, but you also asked for Allah (swt) to look over their mistakes and sins.

tut tut.

wednesdayQuestion: I'm confused, Can some explain what's being discussed? (I have read the posts, but I can't seem to grasp the concept) :?

a) giving Islamic greetings to non-Muslims.

b) greeting non-Muslims with their own religion's greetings.

I know im a lil late but here it is anyway: