Israel behind Georgia War

see this link to Jewish newspaper in Israel:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3582864,00.html

Nasrallah: Georgia lost because of Israel

In speech marking two-year anniversary of Second Lebanon War, Hizbullah secretary-general mocks Israeli political, military leadership:

'Gal Hirsch was defeated in Lebanon, and now lost the war for Georgia'

On Thursday Hassan Nasrallah likened the current Russia-Georgia conflict to what he called Israel's failure in the 2006 war sparked when Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers in a deadly cross-border attack.

"Israel sent one if its generals... to Georgia and its unfortunate government told him to train Georgian special forces," he charged. "Relying on Israeli experts and weapons, Georgia learned why the Israeli generals failed" against Hezbollah, he said.

"What happened in Georgia is a lesson to all those who take on American training for risky adventures and are then abandoned by the US," Nasrallah said of Georgia's pro-Western President Mikheil Saakashvili.

Christian Broadcasting Network:

Nasrallah: Israel Caused Georgia's Defeat

CBN News.com - August 15, 2008

Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, spiritual leader of the

Lebanese-based Islamic terror organization, Hezbollah,

blamed Israel for Georgia's losses against the Russian

army.

Nasrallah's televised speech, marking two years since

the Second Lebanon War between Hezbollah and Israel,

called Israel's military and political leadership

impotent.

"The entire front line of the army's brass stepped

down because of the war," Nasrallah said.

Some Israel Defense Forces (IDF) career personnel did

retire from the military as a direct result of the

government's botched handling of the war, detailed in

the Winograd Commission Report.

"Gal Hirsch, who was defeated in Lebanon, went to

Georgia and they too lost because of him," Hezbollah's

spiritual mentor said.

IDF Brigadier General Hirsch, commander of the Galilee

Division during the war with Hezbollah in the summer

of 2006, stepped down after the war and later did some

consultation work with the Georgian military.

"Relying on Israeli experts and weapons, Georgia

learned why the Israeli generals failed," Nasrallah

boasted. "What happened in Georgia is a message to all

those the Americans are seeking to entangle in

dangerous situations," he said.

The Iranian-funded and trained Hezbollah terror group

has been rebuilding its missiles cache with armaments

smuggled across the Syrian border.

Hezbollah recently gained stature after Lebanese

parliamentarians granted them status as the nation's

legitimate "resistance" group, with veto power in the

newly formed unity government.

In his speech, Nasrallah said the group's "secret"

arsenal is its strength.

"There has been an Israeli uproar about the

reinforcement of Hezbollah's strength," Nasrallah

said. "There has been talk of sophisticated arms and

an air defense system and threats if Hezbollah uses

this kind of system," he said.

"No one can expect me to stand up and say we possess

new weapons or we don't. Keeping secret is part of

strength. This is part of directing the battle of

liberation and resistance against the enemy,"

Nasrallah said.

After berating Israel's political leaders, Nasrallah

hailed the "new stage" between Syria and Lebanon --

the opening of full diplomatic relations between the

two countries -- announced in Damascus Wednesday by

Lebanese President Michel Suleiman and Syrian

President Bashar Assad.

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/428659.aspx

How Israel Has Helped Georgia Train Troops And Supply

It With Weapons

Realising Russia and Georgia were on a collision

course, defense officials evaluated the situation

several months ago and made a decision to drastically

minimize sales of weapons to Georgia so as not to harm

relations with both countries, Israeli officials said

Sunday.

Israeli sales with Georgia in the past included

night-vision equipment, rifles and unmanned drones for

gathering intelligence. However defense officials said

Israel did not agree, however, to upgrade the drones

to those that possess high intelligence-gathering

capabilities. The drones were sold to Georgia by

Elbit, and the deal was closed by the former minister

Ronnie Milo, who represented the defense electronics

company in Georgia, the official said. Milo was not

available for comment on Sunday.

Officials said no tanks, planes, or missiles have ever

been supplied to Georgia by Israel, he added,

emphasizing that the majority of Georgia's weapons had

been supplied by other states. China supplies used

Kalashnikovs to the Georgian military, while Slovenia

has sold Georgia armored personnel carriers, the

official said.

Officials confirmed that former Galilee Div. commander

Brig.-Gen. Gal Hirsch had received approval from the

Defense Ministry to train elite anti-terrorist units

in the Georgian army, after the decision to minimize

arms sales to the country had been taken. Officials in

the know said that Hirsch trained a few units there,

but not very many. "We had no objection to the

Georgians acquiring anti-terrorism units - terrorism

is a worldwide problem," the source said. Israeli

officials however described reports that Israel was

heavily involved in training Georgian military forces

as grossly exaggerated, noting that 95% of Israelis in

Georgia are there for civilian projects, and only 5%

of them are there because of military affairs.

Israel had some of the most advanced laws on arms

sales in the world. "Only the US is more advanced,

because its laws permit the arrest of any arms

merchants from any country. We can only deal with

Israeli arms merchants," the source added. "Our sales

to Africa are very low. Sales to eastern Europe are

low. Most of our sales are to the US, Europe, and some

states in the far east."

Former Israeli ambassador to Georgia Shabtai Zur told

reporters on Sunday that since Georgian President

Mikheil Saakashvili took office the country has seen

advancements in various fields, specifically the

enlistment of women to the army and the recruitment of

reservists. "In my opinion these developments are due

in part to advice Georgia received from Israeli

companies that operate there," Zur said.

IDF reservists who helped to train Georgian troops

said Sunday that they had been unable to contact

soldiers who they trained up until a few months ago,

but declared that the recent hostilities came as no

surprise. Speaking to reporters, the reservists said

the bases used to train the troops had been bombed by

Russia even though they weren't located in the area

where the battles are taking place. One reservists

identified as L told Haaretz that he was hired by

Global CST, owned by Maj. Gen. Israel Ziv, and Defense

Shield, owned by Hirsch, about a year ago, right after

he left the army. He had served as a combat officer in

an elite unit, and he got the adventurous offer

through his commanding officers. "It looked

interesting. Relative to Israel, the money was

excellent, too," he said.

On Sunday, Hirsch, said all its employees, including

its subcontractors, are no longer in Georgia, noting

that the company had completed the work it had been

contracted to do, and that all its contracts with

Georgia had been approved by Israel's Defense

Ministry. Security systems services company Global

CST, managed by Ziv, said it finished its work in

Georgia at the end of July.

Ziv along with other former IDF generals and

commanders is also involved in training Colombian

security forces including those whoset Ingrid

Betancourt and 14 other hostages free in July this

year. Following her release Betancourt compared the

Colombian military operation to that of the Israeli

army.

How Satan and Israel deserted their own friends in Georgia:

"US, Israel forsook Georgia amidst storm"

PRESS TV - Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:47:34 GMT

The Hezbollah leader says Georgia's failure in Ossetia

is a lesson to those who go on blind adventures with

the US and Israeli support.

"Georgia relied on Israeli Generals as well as Israeli

weapons and faced failure", Seyyed Hassan Nasrallah

said in a speech marking the second anniversary of the

33-day war with Israel in summer 2006.

The remarks were made shortly after Georgia faced a

harsh response from Russia in its military action to

retake control of South Ossetia last week.

The Hezbollah leader said "what happened in Georgia is

a message to all those (governments) who rely on

America's support and encouragement to go on

adventures and wars which has not been studied".

Many believe the US military support and its

trumpeting of Tblisi's NATO membership encouraged

President Mikheil Saakashvili to launch the attack.

Analysts say Saakashvili miscalculated the Russian

response to his forces entering the breakaway region.

He waged the war but was not able to convince any NATO

countries to support him.

"What America does is just to make statements"....

urge nations to risk military "confrontations which

see no end and at the end abandon" the embattled

nation, Nasrallah said.

Tbilisi's failure, however could be a salutary lesson

to its neighbors inclined to confront Moscow from

under the US or Israeli security umbrella.

You do realise that this link you posted goes against the allegations you are making:

[quote=malik]

Realising Russia and Georgia were on a collision

course, defense officials evaluated the situation

several months ago and made a decision to drastically

minimize sales of weapons to Georgia so as not to harm

relations with both countries, Israeli officials said

Sunday.

Officials said no tanks, planes, or missiles have ever

been supplied to Georgia by Israel, he added,

emphasizing that the majority of Georgia's weapons had

been supplied by other states. China supplies used

Kalashnikovs to the Georgian military, while Slovenia

has sold Georgia armored personnel carriers, the

official said.

Israeli officials however described reports that Israel was

heavily involved in training Georgian military forces

as grossly exaggerated, noting that 95% of Israelis in

Georgia are there for civilian projects, and only 5%

of them are there because of military affairs.

[/quote]

All these quotes except one were from Kaafir media.

Its nice to see you trying to protect the

enemies of Muslims, by digging for scraps as excuses to save them.

What do we expect Kaafir media to do? Reveal their own faults? They are always going to twist things to save their own necks. They will never tell the world the facts. Kaafirs lie and hide the truth. As Muslims we know this.

Even some Georgians are beginning to realise what Israel did.

Israel left its friend Georgia to the Russians:

Georgian Minister: Israel Sold Us Out

Written by Yaniv Berman - Published Thursday, August 14, 2008

http://www.themedialine.org/news/news_detail.asp?NewsID=22408

I wasn't doing that.

I think Muslims should have a HIGH STANDARDS, I think you used the quote in the wrong context, and was making sure you understood it.

Plus, I don't trust Iranian press, because there is NO free press in that country. Say what you like about Western Media, but at least it is not owned and run my the government (note: I see all governments as corrupt to a greater or lesser degree, whether they are Muslims or not).

Do you think Kaafir media is free?

Do you also think it is NOT owned by the Jews?

Have you ever heard CNN or FOX news expose Jewish crimes and wars against Muslims?

I think you dont know the facts brother. Protect them all you like. Allah is the judge of all.

He wasn't defending "Kaffir media" as you put it. Look at things like NY Times and Boston News and BBC and C4 are actually a little bit more sensitive to Palestinians, even though they all still make many mistakes. Look at the Guardian, is it controlled by Zionists? No. Is it run by Rupert Murdoch? No.

Should we take anything we're told from anyone at face value? No. Even if it's from the Muslim world? Yes.

I admit some media are not controlled by Jews. But most are. FOX, CNN, Daily Telegraph, The Sun, New York Times, Boston Globe, New York Sun, and all the other filthy dirty porn newspapers are mostly owed by Jews or have links to Israel. Check it yourself.

If you don't know than you have been blinded by their PR campaign.

Ya Ali Madaad!

Please don't stereotype Jews, we don't like it when we get stereotyped. I wasn't saying the media is unbiased either, I'm just saying some media is more sympathetic to us Muslims and more balanced than others.

Why are you defending Jews who twists things against Muslims and make us look bad in their biased media?

Some Jews are ok. They are even against Israel. They are not zionists.

It is only zionisit Jews who hate Islam and see Muslims as enemies.

[quote=malik]

It is only zionisit Jews who hate Islam and see Muslims as enemies.

[/quote]

Malik please can you just leave your posts like this out or better yet not post stuff like this ever, we have a jewish friend on this forum and he does not hate neither do we hate him rather we have a special love for him as a friend and this comment that you posted could be hurtful to him so please dont post stuff like that.

Vote Funzo 4 the admin job!

actually scratch that.

"I don't like what you say, go somewhere else" is not far from "If you don't like out gov/policy/war/lifestyle/ go back to where you came from!"

and tolerance should not be about who is around but what is right.

/end rant.

[quote=You]Vote Funzo 4 the admin job!

actually scratch that.

"I don't like what you say, go somewhere else" is not far from "If you don't like out gov/policy/war/lifestyle/ go back to where you came from!"

and tolerance should not be about who is around but what is right.

/end rant.[/quote]

I didnt say that!

Malik please can you just leave...

anybody can take quotes out of context.

It takes some skill to do properly.

[quote=malik]Why are you defending Jews who twists things against Muslims and make us look bad in their biased media?

Some Jews are ok. They are even against Israel. They are not zionists.

It is only zionisit Jews who hate Islam and see Muslims as enemies.

[/quote]

Hey, I'm just challenging you to think, I'm not defending anyone who twists the truth, is there anything wrong with that?

There is nothing wrong with challenging me. Shias of Imam Ali do not run from anything.

Unlike others, our Master Imam Ali never fled from any battle.

Imam Ali's bravery is legendary even among the Angels.

Today Imam Ali's lovers defeated the mighty Jewish Army in Lebanon just as their Master Imam Ali defeated the mighty warriors of the Jews at Kaiber.

May Allah soon send the son of Imam Ali, the Holy Messiah Imam Mahdi to clean the world of all Kaafir oppressors. Ameen.

Ya Ali Madaad!

Massive respect to you guys, because it's always cool to stick up for people who aren't in the room and because on this occasion that was me. 'Nuff said.

Are you a Jew Joie?

[quote=Joie de Vivre]Massive respect to you guys, because it's always cool to stick up for people who aren't in the room and because on this occasion that was me. 'Nuff said.[/quote]

I think your familliar with the poem by pasteur neomeller.

[quote=malik]Are you a Jew Joie?

[/quote]

have you just realised that? You've been fighting with him for over a year and you still haven't worked that one out?

P.S. Joie, I'm not really 100% sure about your gender, I used to always think of you as a guy, but when you mentioned that drunk who tried to get too close to you I thought "maybe not", but Admin or funzo just called you a guy. If i got your gender wrong just don't be offended and please correct me! 🙂

[quote=malik]There is nothing wrong with challenging me. Shias of Imam Ali do not run from anything. [/quote]

Ha!

You still haven't told me how Jews and/or the Americans run Aljazeera.